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		By: Nickname		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168887</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168703&quot;&gt;Spike&lt;/a&gt;.

Got it. I&#039;m not the only one recommending admin scales, btw. Just seems that various people have independently found them indispensable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168703">Spike</a>.</p>
<p>Got it. I&#8217;m not the only one recommending admin scales, btw. Just seems that various people have independently found them indispensable.</p>
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		By: Spike		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168296&quot;&gt;Nickname&lt;/a&gt;.

Nickname - Love it!

I agree about ethics.  If one is not creating an ethical life, you spiral down quickly.

Wish we could converse outside of this blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168296">Nickname</a>.</p>
<p>Nickname &#8211; Love it!</p>
<p>I agree about ethics.  If one is not creating an ethical life, you spiral down quickly.</p>
<p>Wish we could converse outside of this blog.</p>
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		By: PegCityPatrol		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168190&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, I will check it out again with a different computer.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks, I will check it out again with a different computer.</p>
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		By: Eileen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 01:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168182&quot;&gt;xenu&#039;s son&lt;/a&gt;.

It is never too late to get out, even if it only happens with a person&#039;s last breath. The time to leave is now.]]></description>
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<p>It is never too late to get out, even if it only happens with a person&#8217;s last breath. The time to leave is now.</p>
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		By: Nickname		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168256&quot;&gt;Spike&lt;/a&gt;.

Spike, Thanks. There&#039;s really no choice: either eat the ice cream, or let it melt. Not hard to figure out what one wants to do.

I&#039;ve seen civilizations crumble. Either bad foundations, or (usually) eroded and brought down from within. 

I do kind of wish someone would ante up and let me know if they get what I&#039;ve been saying about using admin scales, so I&#039;d know better if I&#039;m just saying what others know, or if I should come down a level to put it in reach. Solo NOTs and the Ethics Conditions match up too closely to be just coincidence, so there&#039;s a lot more to Ethics. But Scns mistook the organizational ethics of the church as their own personal ethics. Dumb mistake. [What is one to do? Leave it at a hint, with just &quot;dumb mistake&quot;? Or try to explain further, e.g. that is why the church ended in collapse? Try to explain what personal ethics is? And how that is making up one&#039;s own mind? Is that too high a gradient?]

You start looking at worthwhile philosophy, especially in Ethics, men who really put thought with perspective into it all, and you find truths scattered all around. But they are scattered. Sometimes it&#039;s like finding one grammatically correct sentence in a paragraph of abandoned subjects. Scientology gathered the good ones and ordered them, made sense of them, and drew logical conclusions about what to do. It&#039;s amazing that it had to be so precise. No one would have guessed. It is as much an example of persistence as it is an example of insight. Truly a colossus of accomplishment of purpose. 

But as Hubbard said, people are interested not in grand goals of philosophy, but in why they don&#039;t have money and sex, why their knee won&#039;t heal properly, why more people don&#039;t eat at their restaurant, that they opened up, etc.. So you have to do something for them, personally. You have to find their present interest admin scales. The thing is, I personally think, you have to get them started on Ethics, themselves. It is the individual doing something for himself, all the way up. Auditing and training by themselves are not enough, if you do not include personal ethics tech. It is critical to include that! The tech is there. Right up the center of the Grade Chart, you have the levels of awareness, and up at the top, you have Source, Conditions, Existence. That&#039;s Ethics. Clearly labeled. So you get them started on Ethics. Their PERSONAL ethics, NOT the organizational ethics and rules and regulations of the church. You get them to do an admin scale on &quot;Making Breakfast&quot;, and later, &quot;Going to Work&quot;, and later &quot;Work Product&quot; and then you work on that one in some detail on Projects, like researching some marketing tech and finding what people have on their admin scale &quot;Find A Good Restaurant&quot;. (And for their knee, send them to a good orthopedic guy who&#039;s really good on an admin scale &quot;Heal Knees&quot;.) With auditing and training, the PC gets higher levels of awareness, clears up some buggy admin scales like &quot;Revenge&quot; for himself, and then, hopefully, he&#039;ll get to the point where he starts thinking about bigger admin scales, and philosophy, and Ethics. 

If 1 (one) found and assembled the answers of 30 men, if 300 held off a trained army, surely 300,000 can win a world. But the Ethics must be there, and that is personal. Some would be jet pilots, some would be bean counters, some would be doctors, and some would be bold enough to open the front door of society, step outside the hallways of offices into the great outdoors, look at the sky, and be philosophers.

Keep going? Keep eating ice cream! If it feels right, do it! I picture a dirt road leading through an open gate in a simple rail fence, through a fallow pasture, up over some swells in the land to a line of trees where surely a stream runs through. No hurry. The gate&#039;s open. I stood there and looked at it for a while. Fancifully, I call it the tenth gate. It is Ethics, and that&#039;s the whole field and all. Others have passed through. That road isn&#039;t overgrown. No hunger, no thirst, just clouds rolling slowly by. Plenty of time. So I now kind of sit and wait there. It&#039;s tranquil. No enemies. No flies or ticks, and importantly, none of those annoying mosquitoes. Damn, hate mosquitoes. Their strategy, I suspect, is to get you to slap yourself to death. Thank goodness for the guy with the admin scale &quot;Defeat Mosquitoes&quot;. (You see how interesting it all gets, with admin scales?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168256">Spike</a>.</p>
<p>Spike, Thanks. There&#8217;s really no choice: either eat the ice cream, or let it melt. Not hard to figure out what one wants to do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen civilizations crumble. Either bad foundations, or (usually) eroded and brought down from within. </p>
<p>I do kind of wish someone would ante up and let me know if they get what I&#8217;ve been saying about using admin scales, so I&#8217;d know better if I&#8217;m just saying what others know, or if I should come down a level to put it in reach. Solo NOTs and the Ethics Conditions match up too closely to be just coincidence, so there&#8217;s a lot more to Ethics. But Scns mistook the organizational ethics of the church as their own personal ethics. Dumb mistake. [What is one to do? Leave it at a hint, with just &#8220;dumb mistake&#8221;? Or try to explain further, e.g. that is why the church ended in collapse? Try to explain what personal ethics is? And how that is making up one&#8217;s own mind? Is that too high a gradient?]</p>
<p>You start looking at worthwhile philosophy, especially in Ethics, men who really put thought with perspective into it all, and you find truths scattered all around. But they are scattered. Sometimes it&#8217;s like finding one grammatically correct sentence in a paragraph of abandoned subjects. Scientology gathered the good ones and ordered them, made sense of them, and drew logical conclusions about what to do. It&#8217;s amazing that it had to be so precise. No one would have guessed. It is as much an example of persistence as it is an example of insight. Truly a colossus of accomplishment of purpose. </p>
<p>But as Hubbard said, people are interested not in grand goals of philosophy, but in why they don&#8217;t have money and sex, why their knee won&#8217;t heal properly, why more people don&#8217;t eat at their restaurant, that they opened up, etc.. So you have to do something for them, personally. You have to find their present interest admin scales. The thing is, I personally think, you have to get them started on Ethics, themselves. It is the individual doing something for himself, all the way up. Auditing and training by themselves are not enough, if you do not include personal ethics tech. It is critical to include that! The tech is there. Right up the center of the Grade Chart, you have the levels of awareness, and up at the top, you have Source, Conditions, Existence. That&#8217;s Ethics. Clearly labeled. So you get them started on Ethics. Their PERSONAL ethics, NOT the organizational ethics and rules and regulations of the church. You get them to do an admin scale on &#8220;Making Breakfast&#8221;, and later, &#8220;Going to Work&#8221;, and later &#8220;Work Product&#8221; and then you work on that one in some detail on Projects, like researching some marketing tech and finding what people have on their admin scale &#8220;Find A Good Restaurant&#8221;. (And for their knee, send them to a good orthopedic guy who&#8217;s really good on an admin scale &#8220;Heal Knees&#8221;.) With auditing and training, the PC gets higher levels of awareness, clears up some buggy admin scales like &#8220;Revenge&#8221; for himself, and then, hopefully, he&#8217;ll get to the point where he starts thinking about bigger admin scales, and philosophy, and Ethics. </p>
<p>If 1 (one) found and assembled the answers of 30 men, if 300 held off a trained army, surely 300,000 can win a world. But the Ethics must be there, and that is personal. Some would be jet pilots, some would be bean counters, some would be doctors, and some would be bold enough to open the front door of society, step outside the hallways of offices into the great outdoors, look at the sky, and be philosophers.</p>
<p>Keep going? Keep eating ice cream! If it feels right, do it! I picture a dirt road leading through an open gate in a simple rail fence, through a fallow pasture, up over some swells in the land to a line of trees where surely a stream runs through. No hurry. The gate&#8217;s open. I stood there and looked at it for a while. Fancifully, I call it the tenth gate. It is Ethics, and that&#8217;s the whole field and all. Others have passed through. That road isn&#8217;t overgrown. No hunger, no thirst, just clouds rolling slowly by. Plenty of time. So I now kind of sit and wait there. It&#8217;s tranquil. No enemies. No flies or ticks, and importantly, none of those annoying mosquitoes. Damn, hate mosquitoes. Their strategy, I suspect, is to get you to slap yourself to death. Thank goodness for the guy with the admin scale &#8220;Defeat Mosquitoes&#8221;. (You see how interesting it all gets, with admin scales?)</p>
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		By: L Yash		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2017 21:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168145&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Beam me up Scotty, there&#039;s no intelligent life in COS&quot;.......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168145">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Beam me up Scotty, there&#8217;s no intelligent life in COS&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Spike		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2017 17:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168219&quot;&gt;Nickname&lt;/a&gt;.

Nickname, I like your analysis.  Keep going.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168219">Nickname</a>.</p>
<p>Nickname, I like your analysis.  Keep going.</p>
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		By: Jonny		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since I left the Sea Org in &#039;81 it seems the down hill spiral has gotten worse. It was bad back then but because Little Napoleon ( David Miscavige) started his take-over at that time it has completely blown up. Talk about a SUPPRESIVE  PERSON. He is the definition of one. I have never agreed to the Disconnect policy. I would not even mention that to my students while I was Tech Sec at ASHO day. I got to meet with Hubbard a few times back then without Little Napoleon&#039;s knowledge. It seemed to me that Hubbard wasn&#039;t in his right mind. That&#039;s when I started taking a look at various HCOPL&#039;s . These policy letters didn&#039;t seem to me to be anything a real Church would do. I was able to find out that some of the HCOPL&#039;s weren&#039;t even written by Hubbard. I was a Book One auditor and Class Four.  I still use what I learned in Book One every once-in-a-while to help get someone through a traumatic time they are in.  Some of the tech that Hubbard developed does work. I like the Study Technology the best. It does work. The staff members now days can&#039;t see the forest for the trees. Very sad. I will never return to that organization. It is the definition Brain Washing.  :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I left the Sea Org in &#8217;81 it seems the down hill spiral has gotten worse. It was bad back then but because Little Napoleon ( David Miscavige) started his take-over at that time it has completely blown up. Talk about a SUPPRESIVE  PERSON. He is the definition of one. I have never agreed to the Disconnect policy. I would not even mention that to my students while I was Tech Sec at ASHO day. I got to meet with Hubbard a few times back then without Little Napoleon&#8217;s knowledge. It seemed to me that Hubbard wasn&#8217;t in his right mind. That&#8217;s when I started taking a look at various HCOPL&#8217;s . These policy letters didn&#8217;t seem to me to be anything a real Church would do. I was able to find out that some of the HCOPL&#8217;s weren&#8217;t even written by Hubbard. I was a Book One auditor and Class Four.  I still use what I learned in Book One every once-in-a-while to help get someone through a traumatic time they are in.  Some of the tech that Hubbard developed does work. I like the Study Technology the best. It does work. The staff members now days can&#8217;t see the forest for the trees. Very sad. I will never return to that organization. It is the definition Brain Washing.  🙁</p>
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		By: Mick Roberts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168211&quot;&gt;Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Lois. I enjoy reading these blog posts and the comments to learn more about this subject. The history and philosophy of Scientology is fascinating to me, but it was the personal stories of heart-wrenching devastation (like yours and your family&#039;s) that got me emotionally invested in trying to think of any tiny little way I might be able to contribute to help end these abuses and see people reconnected with their loved ones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168211">Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Lois. I enjoy reading these blog posts and the comments to learn more about this subject. The history and philosophy of Scientology is fascinating to me, but it was the personal stories of heart-wrenching devastation (like yours and your family&#8217;s) that got me emotionally invested in trying to think of any tiny little way I might be able to contribute to help end these abuses and see people reconnected with their loved ones.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2017 13:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168219&quot;&gt;Nickname&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I’ve have found, empirically, that every time I question Hubbard, I end up realizing I was wrong or missed something, but one thing I’m sure of, he intended everyone to question, increase their own self-determinism, and increase the certainty of their own perceptions, considerations, and decisions.&quot;

Your statement about Hubbard wanting everyone to question and increase their own self-determinism is of course demonstrably  and obviously false. It is by our actions we are known, not our lip service.  Otherwise Hubbard would have responded to criticisms with detailed apologetics that would have negated the criticisms while advancing knowledge of scientology.  Instead he exacted vengeance. As for you realizing you are in error every time you question Hubbard, I&#039;m intrigued to hear a &quot;for instance&quot; with that.  

Let me demonstrate:  I ALWAYS find when I question Hubbard that it is he who is in error and not my critical analysis.  FOR INSTANCE when Hubbard said &quot;What is true for you is what you have observed for yourself...&quot; he carelessly fails to mention that personal observations are limited and subject to misinterpretation therefore the observations of others is essential to arrive at knowledge. For instance, Al Capone&#039;s housekeeper thought he was a wonderful person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/#comment-168219">Nickname</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve have found, empirically, that every time I question Hubbard, I end up realizing I was wrong or missed something, but one thing I’m sure of, he intended everyone to question, increase their own self-determinism, and increase the certainty of their own perceptions, considerations, and decisions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your statement about Hubbard wanting everyone to question and increase their own self-determinism is of course demonstrably  and obviously false. It is by our actions we are known, not our lip service.  Otherwise Hubbard would have responded to criticisms with detailed apologetics that would have negated the criticisms while advancing knowledge of scientology.  Instead he exacted vengeance. As for you realizing you are in error every time you question Hubbard, I&#8217;m intrigued to hear a &#8220;for instance&#8221; with that.  </p>
<p>Let me demonstrate:  I ALWAYS find when I question Hubbard that it is he who is in error and not my critical analysis.  FOR INSTANCE when Hubbard said &#8220;What is true for you is what you have observed for yourself&#8230;&#8221; he carelessly fails to mention that personal observations are limited and subject to misinterpretation therefore the observations of others is essential to arrive at knowledge. For instance, Al Capone&#8217;s housekeeper thought he was a wonderful person.</p>
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