Most especially when they’re pissed off at someone.

I have to say that I don’t understand the comment “no one was afraid of Warren Jeffs” – I feel that statement is totally inaccurate. Please search for news stories about Jeffs to see this or read one of the revelatory books by ex-members: “Lost Boy” by Brent Jeffs or “Church of Lies” by Flora Jessop, “Escape” by Carloyn Jessop or any one of the other books out there.

Warren Jeffs is serving 20 years to life for child abuse and other criminal activity, and is still issuing ridiculous abusive proclamations and instructions from his jail cell.

The cult of the FLDS is an unrecognized offshoot of the mainstream Mormon church (whose members do not practice polygamy) and FLDS members are subjected to horrendous abuses, mainly because almost 100 percent of the members are born into it, third generation or more, and do not have contact with the outside world, rather are kept in isolated compounds their entire lives, and denied higher education, it’s not uncommon for girls to be removed from school after 8th grade, and the schooling they do get in any case is in FLDS-only schools, teachings mainly concerned with how to practice their own religion. Warren Jeffs himself ran one of the largest FLDS schools, was both the Principal and a teacher there.

Ex-members tell of how he was building a huge walled compound in Texas, with sound-proof rooms where he would carry out sexual rituals with young girls, and a temple where he intended to hold ‘blood atonement’ ceremonies (killings). On the scale of abusive, harmful, totalitarian leaders, he’s right up there near the top, under Kim Jong un of North Korea.

Anyone who cares about human rights issues, preventing child abuse and human trafficking, and helping people to break free of mind-controlled harmful groups, would do well to look into any group that violates human rights, including the Church of Scientology and the FLDS under the criminal Warren Jeffs.

They call the other kind “Weiner Wraps”…..a frankfurter (hot dog) rolled up in an unbaked crescent roll, tossed in the oven and baked for about 10 to 15 minutes
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REAL “pigs in the blanket” are either ground pork or beef mixed with rice, spices, egg to bind it together…and then rolled in a “cabbage leaf”….. the Polish call them “Glumka…Golumke” etc…..
I make them on occasion….LOTS of work but sooo good.

As far as SOME of the FLDS groups go, the local Police ARE members of FLDS. They have let things slide because they benefit from it. Jeffs is in prison for the rape of a child, one being his 12 yr old “bride”. Jeffs “spiritually married” some 75 women & young girls & has fathered many children with them.

Keep in mind these females are RAISED or born into this, they are trained to live like this & to obey what they are told to do. When the government came in & removed the “wives” & children due to suspected abuse…..they were later returned to their compound & they WANTED to go back to live there since it’s all they’ve ever known.

Teen boys are basically thrown out of the group because they would be competition with the older men for the young girls as brides. The MOST loyal men “get the young women”….the teen boys are thrown out with nothing but the clothes on their back, no money, no place to live, no food nothing.

The Kingston Polygamy group’s leader Daniel Kingston is the father of some 150 children form 12 + wives, most of whom live in poverty. The group is presently in LEGAL trouble over Food Stamp FRAUD.

Please try to read the book “The Witness Wore Red”…written by one of the former members who was married to Rolon (sp) Jeffs and when he passed away, she was then to Warren Jeffs.

Warren Jeffs isn’t a member of the mainstream Mormon church. He was the leader of a fanatical, vile breakaway group called the FLDS.

You probably know this but just wanted to clarify. The mainstream Mormon church would excommunicate anyone found to be engaging in polygamy, despite the fact it was practiced up until about 120 years ago. It’s a major source of embarrassment for the Church — and rightfully so.

So what, no f-ing ziti now?

Did you know that man Klensch (maybe spelling is wrong) who is supposed to be in the hole? I think if a missing person report was done for every person they have locked up like Leah did for Shelley and the police would have to go to Scientology every time a missing person’s report was made, then they would take it more seriously. I feel so sad for these people locked up in “the hole” or RPF and no one misses them. How could no one miss them? How could no one care about where they are? I mean I can’t believe the Freedom of Religion thing is holding this up. They went after the Mormon’s for plural marriage and none one stuck up for them. No, this is about deep pockets, the LAPD and Florida police being paid off and people actually being afraid of fair game. The Mormon’s didn’t pay people off and no one was afraid of people like Warren Jeffs. If all this shit is going on in Scientology then there are ways to use the law to stop them!

True, True. It’s amazing what people will accept as true when they are programmed and hypnotized.

I was in the Sea Org at the International Base for 20 years. Doing a rough mental survey of the folks I knew, about a third to a half were smokers. It was probably a higher ratio at the Big Blue in LA. I never smoked.

Fun facts: most I knew “rolled their own” using cheap tobacco and Zig Zag papers, but those super strong cigarettes called “Gauloises” were also popular for those who could afford them. Others smoked unfiltered Camels. I never saw a pack of Kools, the menthols that Hubbard supposedly preferred, except on his desk in the little shrine they keep for him in every Scientology location called “Ron’s Office”.

I was on the Event Crew, those who fly with Dave Miscavige to do the event setups, shoot them and so on. One of the crew would always buy cartons of cigarettes at the Duty Free shops, or in some third world country where they were cheap, and sell them at the Int Base.

There are also those who get their nicotine fix by chewing tobacco. My guess is maybe one in ten or so, possibly less. But the habit is so disgusting to watch that it seems like more. You can buy all the fixings for tobacco use at the little internal company stores called “Canteens”. Every Sea Org installation has some form of this, in some little out of the way closet or room where the public Scientologists never go.

I had a friend who told me he had quit smoking, but then started again during a really stressful situation on a Sea Org “Mission” (group of three or four Sea Org members assigned to complete some well defined task, often in a remote location). Smoking sort of relieves stress, I guess, but at a pretty high price. But then you get the stress of being addicted. Never made sense to me.

At the Int Base they light up outside, the Base is pretty spread out so there is time to smoke on the way to the dining hall or after a meal. At the Big Blue a lot of smoking happens in the Fire Escape stairwells, also some social interactions, so it is a sort of hang-out for younger members. Also you used to be able to see them every meal, smoking on the landing at the top of the stairs that lead out near Lebanon Hall on the Catalina Street side of the Big Blue. Since some intrepid photographers started shooting this scene I think they had to stop doing that. On the Freewinds there is a ladder near the mess hall (“Galley”) that leads up to the aft well deck, and folks go there to smoke.

The legend is that Hubbard was a smoker, though I think it is possible he quit while he was on the run in California near the end of his life. And of course he made the famous statement that the reason people get lung cancer is that they don’t smoke enough. This is not as ridiculous as it sounds in the context of the early 50s. They actually confused the words “Nicotine” with “Nicotonic Acid” or niacin and thought that you could deliver niacin to the lungs by smoking. Thus preventing disease.

Hubbard was a big fan of niacin, from the “Guk Bombs” (mostly niacin) of the 50s to “combat radiation sickness” all the way through to the massive overdoses of niacin still given today on the “Purification Rundown”. Niacin makes you flush, just the way radiation does, so it must be doing something good (or so the “thinking” goes). It is not too surprising that his followers still honor that World War II era tradition.

Hard to know what the stat is.A wild guess.RB gets between 2-4 people per month out or under the radar.RB,you are one hell of a supertalented hero.