I see the point you were making, The Oracle. Abortion is an emotional topic. Take care.

Peace. Happy Trails. XXOO

You’re welcome, T.J. The books you mentioned are very good and I found them to be very helpful. I appreciate your insight and enjoy reading your comments too. Take care.

Hi Alice,

I’m concerned about the people in “the hole”, it’s so worrisome how they seem to feel that they…. how to put it…. they “need” to stay there? Are ‘supposed’ to? Or are on the RPF…. it’s like when I read posts from former members who were in that situation, like Mike Rinder, who is out now (obviously) but did stay in for far too long… or someone like Chuck Beatty who comes across as a kind, caring, intelligent man, yet he was in there for years…. I think to myself how does this happen?

What force compels people to stay in that type of situation? There are still too many caught up in this, and I just don’t feel comfortable writing them off by saying, they should know better, they should remove themselves from that situation….. because it seems as though there is some type of force at work here beyond what is normal or usual… something that compels otherwise decent, rational people to do this to themselves…. to stay in a bad situation, and I have to ask, what is it? why??

So I guess I’m just trying to find answers. Then maybe, at some point, we could find a solution?

– T.J.

Oracle, I see what you are saying, I understand your point. There’s no need to discuss it further (unless you feel that you want to). All is well, and as far as I’m concerned, it’s been put to rest. No worries mayte! 🙂 – T.J.

its very interesting. those that came out recently still follow the habits and “beliefs” of scientology so to speak.most of the times they can still swear that scietology works.then u move to people who have been out for a while.they see things more clearly and they can spot the bs easier.they can even tell you whats wrong with scientology.but at the same time that also implies that if those things werent happening,things would be so much better in the organisation.they can see the lies they have been fed,but their minds are not completely “free” yet.

then its those people with more time since coming out.they start to realise that hubbard was just an evil con man and as such, its probable that scientology is exactly what he intended it to be.they can get a glimpse of the idea but theyre not exactly there yet.

then theres those who are really free.their attitude is that theres nothing good about scientology.hubbard was a loser,a liar and a conman and he got what he deserved in the end.

and thats the truth folks.thats what scientology is.a sosciopath created a sosciopathic organization and people fell in the trap.he was lucky too,cause the period he lived in really helped him to set up the whole scam.

i just find it amazing that so much money is wasted on that organization,when they could be used for so so much more….from helping kids starving in africa,to helping homeless people in your town.its really sad to see that.especialy when you live in a country where unemployment is around 30%(if not more)…

as for my opinion of hubbard,i think the guy was evil.and i mean it in every sense of the word.
he was following the occult,he was a narcissist and a megalomaniac and thought he deserved to own the world.at the same time he was an abuser and wifebeater(the real one ha-ha…) a pathological liar,and in the end,he lied so much that he believed his own lies.he created an evil world for others to fall in and follow him so he could take advantage of them,and in the end he got consumed by that same evil world himself.

anyway,i hope you all recover quickly from your unfortunate experience and reconnect with loved ones.
i have some thoughts on that too(disconnection),but maybe next time.just wanted to say hi for now.lol

What makes me feel good about myself is being mathematically inclined. Figuring out the math. We all do not do math the same way or come to the same conclusions in an equation.

First, I have no idea who or what you are so you need to know nothing I wrote was directed at you personally. I have no way of knowing what your items are, or are not.

Secondly, I have no purpose or reasons to force items on you that are not yours.

Then, I have no obligation to accept items forced upon me, that are not mine. “No compassion, no understanding” are not my items.

“Kill”, is not your item. I got it.

The reason I mentioned this at all, was to point out the insanity and cruelty, of luring women into a group claiming “enlightenment” and “salvation”, and to enforce an item like “kill” on them. That is mentally twisting someone. That is harming people. That is harming women and children. When the Church of Scientology enforces these items and purposes on women. And that is exactly what has happened.

This particular activity and event may have nothing to with you. And I am not asserting that it does. I have no intention of enforcing this item on anyone. If it’s not your item, the shoe doesn’t fit. We are not on the same page. But we can both be right.

I heard you. Thanks for your kind acknowledgement. You did right by your friend. You will have many more. XXOO

I really don’t think it was necessary to start a name list under the topic of serial killer. The point I was making was how women get twisted maligned and degraded in that atmosphere .

Hennessy, thank you for the nice comment, and for reading my long-winded post, I wasn’t sure that anyone would, lol. I hope you have a fun and relaxing weekend! 🙂 – T.J.