Oops, I missed something…Denny was a jerk in Davis in the early 1970’s, so nothing there has changed.
However, I’m lost as to the “make believe Jew?” comment. Please explain.
Thanks!

I don’t think you understood what I said. But it doesn’t really matter as opinions about the man are generally very polarized — saint or devil. I happen to believe he was both. And neither. He did bad things to people around him (see my comments about how he treated his family) and I wouldnt classify them as compassionate, I have no idea if he thought they were. My observation was that Miscavige is a classic sociopath. No conscience. No remorse. He ONLY lives for himself. Hubbard tried to do things for others, believing truly that he was helping them. That’s not a sociopath.

mike, hubbard bought saint hill, bought 3 ships, sailed the Caribbean for years, had an army of people at his disposal and indulged his every whim. he lived lavish enough.

there are a lot of people who spent a lot of time with LRH and they say different. they say his was not compassionate. they say a lot of things and they knew him better than most.

if he really thought sticking a kid in a chain locker or throwing an old lady over board were acts compassion, then he was delusional. those are just some things people who KNEW him said he did, they knew him and knew him well. if they are not lying, then who are we to argue.

Mike I agree with everything you say. I wasn’t trying to whitewash Ron. I also was appalled at how he treated his kids and wife and how he let Mary Sue take the fall for him and how he never even spoke to her after that. Heartbreaking.

The friend who worked with him said that Ron wrote Way to Happiness as a PR piece for others to do, but he never followed it. He said that anything Ron did was to forward his mission and it was “the end justifies the means.” I think you are spot on when you say:

“It’s not a pleasant picture and I cannot attribute any good intentions to that aspect of his life. He was a flawed character, though just as certainly larger than life. And frankly, I am unaware of too many people who have been “larger than life” who have not had ugly warts along with their brilliance.” I think this sums it up brilliantly.

You didn’t screw anything up Juggernaut, fantastic comment! It’s so shocking, the degree to which, he invalidates the shit out of someone’s personal life, decisions and priorities. There’s NO acknowledgement of individual autonomy or the right to privacy, it’s really outrageous! Rant away whenever you like.

No never. I actually had to fight tooth and nail to train. In ’75 I was actually expelled when someone took me off training to be a reg, when I refused to take the post. The Swartz brothers were already very aggressive regges at that time and I thought they were assholes. I worked a job till they asked me to come back and then I paid for my own training, with the money I’d earned. That’s how I became a professional auditor. I’ve always been a rebel. 🙂

The juvenile mother of all trolls ……..that’s so perfect WhiteStar.

Hey Joe,
Absolutely, I’d love to hear from old SFO staff! You can reach me at OddThomas@hushmail.com
Let’s get in touch.

Odd

Cindy — you should read the Russell Miller book. I would say LRH lied about a great deal of his track. Like virtually everything was at least embellished or romanticized. There were plenty of outright lies. Probably the worst concern his family. Claiming he was never married to Sara. Disowning his children. Infidelities. These things are ugly and they hurt people. Claiming medals during the war he didnt earn or travels to the Far East that were basically fiction based on the smallest facts are unsavory for someone who professed to be all about “truth” — but they aren’t as egregious to me as the abuse of family. And that continued all the way through Mary Sue and his children with her.

It’s not a pleasant picture and I cannot attribute any good intentions to that aspect of his life. He was a flawed character, though just as certainly larger than life. And frankly, I am unaware of too many people who have been “larger than life” who have not had ugly warts along with their brilliance.

Thank you, Mike. I really appreciate reading what you have to say about LRH. It confirms what a new friend who worked directly with LRH in the early days described to me. He said Ron was a Big Being, and was on a mission. He did everything to get that mission done. It was “the end justifies the means” with Ron. And he said yes Ron embellished stories to make himself look good, lied about some of his track, but my friend didn’t care. He said the work he was doing was important and vital, and his overall intention was to help. He said the tech when applied correctly does work, and that despite all else. Ron’s intensions were good etc.

To contrast that my friend said he also met Miscavige and the first time he met him, he saw through the mask briefly and, “he scared the shit out of me.” He said it was cold, calculating evil and more evil than he had ever had to confront. Miscavige, according to this man who worked with Ron, is a sociopath.