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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48343</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 03:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48342&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, because there are no new people coming in,  he has only this group of still-ins to keep happy and hopeful, which means that if his flavor of the month Squirrel Bridge crap doesn&#039;t sell he must come up with something else very quickly.  Its not like 10 years ago when he could afford to spin things out for years. He doesn&#039;t have that luxury anymore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48342">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Also, because there are no new people coming in,  he has only this group of still-ins to keep happy and hopeful, which means that if his flavor of the month Squirrel Bridge crap doesn&#8217;t sell he must come up with something else very quickly.  Its not like 10 years ago when he could afford to spin things out for years. He doesn&#8217;t have that luxury anymore.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 03:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48287&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m of the opinion that David Miscavige knows that Gavin Potter will be talking about OT9.  I think he wants this subject floated again, to gauge its reception.  I think he&#039;s really desperate now because GAG II is flopping and he needs something else now.  He always needs to be the one to start a new game, because, he thinks, if he doesn&#039;t (from the Bolivar PL) &quot;someone else is jolly well going to start one&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48287">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m of the opinion that David Miscavige knows that Gavin Potter will be talking about OT9.  I think he wants this subject floated again, to gauge its reception.  I think he&#8217;s really desperate now because GAG II is flopping and he needs something else now.  He always needs to be the one to start a new game, because, he thinks, if he doesn&#8217;t (from the Bolivar PL) &#8220;someone else is jolly well going to start one&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Potpie		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48311</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 21:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48202&quot;&gt;remoteviewed&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with your comments.  
I really liked the clay table
course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48202">remoteviewed</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with your comments.<br />
I really liked the clay table<br />
course.</p>
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		By: Old School		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48306</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 20:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48293&quot;&gt;iamvalkov&lt;/a&gt;.

WAY back in the day I know that S.O. staff got 10%.  Don&#039;t know if still true.  Probably is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48293">iamvalkov</a>.</p>
<p>WAY back in the day I know that S.O. staff got 10%.  Don&#8217;t know if still true.  Probably is.</p>
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		By: Old School		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48295</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 19:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48242&quot;&gt;Pete2&lt;/a&gt;.

Correct Pete2.  Basically all the VIII&#039;s who are still active share that insane delusion.  Definitely the VII&#039;s who are still in and haven&#039;t experienced the fraud that is palmed off as the first real OT level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48242">Pete2</a>.</p>
<p>Correct Pete2.  Basically all the VIII&#8217;s who are still active share that insane delusion.  Definitely the VII&#8217;s who are still in and haven&#8217;t experienced the fraud that is palmed off as the first real OT level.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48294</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 19:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48234&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

Hallie Jane,

If what that child told you is true, that Gavin Potter was scaring that kid into the Sea Org with talk of death camps, etc., then Gavin is not only a snake oil salesman, but he&#039;s a death talking, child abuser too.

I also agree that Gavin&#039;s smiling picture is looking more like DM as time goes on.  A younger one without  that long vertical crevasse running down the right side of his face, like DM has.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48234">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>Hallie Jane,</p>
<p>If what that child told you is true, that Gavin Potter was scaring that kid into the Sea Org with talk of death camps, etc., then Gavin is not only a snake oil salesman, but he&#8217;s a death talking, child abuser too.</p>
<p>I also agree that Gavin&#8217;s smiling picture is looking more like DM as time goes on.  A younger one without  that long vertical crevasse running down the right side of his face, like DM has.</p>
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		By: iamvalkov		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 19:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48203&quot;&gt;Good Old Boy&lt;/a&gt;.

You don&#039;t think he gets 10% of everything he raises?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48203">Good Old Boy</a>.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t think he gets 10% of everything he raises?</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48292</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48243&quot;&gt;Potpie&lt;/a&gt;.

Potpie,

True we can dispute whether there are levels above the current level of OT VIII which is somewhat different than the original theory published in October &#039;69.

As I wrote if notes do exist as he says in Current State of Materials and Tech Correction Round Up then I agree there is probably no one in the Church these days who could possibly decrypt these arcane instructions if they do exist.

I mean they can&#039;t even get Super Power right which to a large degree was pretty much written up and tested back in &#039;78 as a &quot;parallel rundown to power&quot; according to RJ 30.

The fact is that objectives isn&#039;t going to cut it. Even the additional objectives developed specifically for the SRD such as Order vs Disorder.

I know a little about this having been seconded to NWC for a short time.

The importance of the Clay Table Processing which is part of KTL/LOC and the Pro TRs Course is totally ignored.

Same with actions like full Post Purpose and Product Clearing, Ethics and Conditions By Dynamics and understanding the purpose of the Org Board which is part of LOC.

Personally I think one of the reasons that LOC was such a bust was they skipped PPC and did Product Clearing Short Form instead of the full rundowns and had students doing endless O/W write-ups on each department and division.

BTW I remember the first issue of the HCOB on O/W Write Ups was basically how to do them if one had to do one then later after RTRC got a hold of it. It became a  panegyric about how wonderful OW write ups were etc.

(I wish I had the original HCOB to hand instead of the &quot;assisted by&quot; version because they are almost two different HCOBs . The only thing that is the same is the title.)

Moving on.

In summary. Not only do you have god awful overruns from rerunning levels that already achieved the EP.

(I mean the only EP of objectives at the level below Grade I is basically being in PT enough so that one can run subjective processes.

Also even if for some reason they don&#039;t get the full EP they still have a chance to fully achieve it on Grade I.

The Bridge as it was originally designed was set up to pick up anything that was missed later which is why the OT IV Rundown was developed.

Consider the fact that there are three different Drug Rundowns. Now at various levels.

In other words there is no reason to invalidate the PC or Pre OT by making them go back and do a certain level. That is unless one is *suppressive*

Even in the bad ol&#039; days of Quickie Grades PC and Pre OTs were specifically told that their grades were being &quot;Expanded&quot; not that the triples or singles they ran earlier were invalid.)

Anyway the fact is that this can all be repaired using Standard Tech including handling any eval or inval using a Questionable &quot;Auditing&quot; Repair List then putting the PC and Pre OT level they should be on, usually the one they were on before the &quot;call back engram&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48243">Potpie</a>.</p>
<p>Potpie,</p>
<p>True we can dispute whether there are levels above the current level of OT VIII which is somewhat different than the original theory published in October &#8217;69.</p>
<p>As I wrote if notes do exist as he says in Current State of Materials and Tech Correction Round Up then I agree there is probably no one in the Church these days who could possibly decrypt these arcane instructions if they do exist.</p>
<p>I mean they can&#8217;t even get Super Power right which to a large degree was pretty much written up and tested back in &#8217;78 as a &#8220;parallel rundown to power&#8221; according to RJ 30.</p>
<p>The fact is that objectives isn&#8217;t going to cut it. Even the additional objectives developed specifically for the SRD such as Order vs Disorder.</p>
<p>I know a little about this having been seconded to NWC for a short time.</p>
<p>The importance of the Clay Table Processing which is part of KTL/LOC and the Pro TRs Course is totally ignored.</p>
<p>Same with actions like full Post Purpose and Product Clearing, Ethics and Conditions By Dynamics and understanding the purpose of the Org Board which is part of LOC.</p>
<p>Personally I think one of the reasons that LOC was such a bust was they skipped PPC and did Product Clearing Short Form instead of the full rundowns and had students doing endless O/W write-ups on each department and division.</p>
<p>BTW I remember the first issue of the HCOB on O/W Write Ups was basically how to do them if one had to do one then later after RTRC got a hold of it. It became a  panegyric about how wonderful OW write ups were etc.</p>
<p>(I wish I had the original HCOB to hand instead of the &#8220;assisted by&#8221; version because they are almost two different HCOBs . The only thing that is the same is the title.)</p>
<p>Moving on.</p>
<p>In summary. Not only do you have god awful overruns from rerunning levels that already achieved the EP.</p>
<p>(I mean the only EP of objectives at the level below Grade I is basically being in PT enough so that one can run subjective processes.</p>
<p>Also even if for some reason they don&#8217;t get the full EP they still have a chance to fully achieve it on Grade I.</p>
<p>The Bridge as it was originally designed was set up to pick up anything that was missed later which is why the OT IV Rundown was developed.</p>
<p>Consider the fact that there are three different Drug Rundowns. Now at various levels.</p>
<p>In other words there is no reason to invalidate the PC or Pre OT by making them go back and do a certain level. That is unless one is *suppressive*</p>
<p>Even in the bad ol&#8217; days of Quickie Grades PC and Pre OTs were specifically told that their grades were being &#8220;Expanded&#8221; not that the triples or singles they ran earlier were invalid.)</p>
<p>Anyway the fact is that this can all be repaired using Standard Tech including handling any eval or inval using a Questionable &#8220;Auditing&#8221; Repair List then putting the PC and Pre OT level they should be on, usually the one they were on before the &#8220;call back engram&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 19:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You mean there even is someone small enough to be a &quot;mini&quot; David Miscavige?  I thought he was the smallest!  Well, maybe Tom Thumb still lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean there even is someone small enough to be a &#8220;mini&#8221; David Miscavige?  I thought he was the smallest!  Well, maybe Tom Thumb still lives.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 18:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48213&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Pepper, you hit the nail on the head.  I believe your predictions will come true. And re donating for the Columbian WTH, I was nabbed by Rick Alexander at Flag for this. I said no, and he said that I had money on the Ship I could use for it. I said no again that I was not going to unmock my OT VIII.  He said, and I quote, &quot;but that money on your Ship is just for accommodations and so it isn&#039;t for VIII.&quot;  This was his justifier for raiding my Ship account.  I told him that accomos are needed to do OT VIII and I wouldn&#039;t unmock my VIII just so he gets a stat.  Well he worked on me some more and unfortunately I ended up unmocking my accomos on the Ship to help the bogus made up Columbia WTH campaign.  But my point is not that I was a victim.  My point is that they are so desperate to get money and to get their own personal stats up, that they will cannibalize and eat their own leg so to speak.  There is no new money coming in.  It is just eating up some other org&#039;s CF in order to save your own neck. How long can that keep going on?  It is the old shell game of which shell is the pea under... the transferring of money back and forth just to keep someone from being sent to the RPF.  But the money is all at the same place, so it is just a shell game with no new funds coming in.  The end is near.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gavin-potter/#comment-48213">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Pepper, you hit the nail on the head.  I believe your predictions will come true. And re donating for the Columbian WTH, I was nabbed by Rick Alexander at Flag for this. I said no, and he said that I had money on the Ship I could use for it. I said no again that I was not going to unmock my OT VIII.  He said, and I quote, &#8220;but that money on your Ship is just for accommodations and so it isn&#8217;t for VIII.&#8221;  This was his justifier for raiding my Ship account.  I told him that accomos are needed to do OT VIII and I wouldn&#8217;t unmock my VIII just so he gets a stat.  Well he worked on me some more and unfortunately I ended up unmocking my accomos on the Ship to help the bogus made up Columbia WTH campaign.  But my point is not that I was a victim.  My point is that they are so desperate to get money and to get their own personal stats up, that they will cannibalize and eat their own leg so to speak.  There is no new money coming in.  It is just eating up some other org&#8217;s CF in order to save your own neck. How long can that keep going on?  It is the old shell game of which shell is the pea under&#8230; the transferring of money back and forth just to keep someone from being sent to the RPF.  But the money is all at the same place, so it is just a shell game with no new funds coming in.  The end is near.</p>
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