When you put it like that, it’s the gift that keeps on giving!

Nothing you said was offensive. You were there, you lived this experience, don’t apologize.

OSD, I’ll keep my colon and give you Dave’s liver.

Carcha, the truth cannot be destroyed. Whatever good there is in Scientology will withstand the onslaught of criticism.

Truth does not mind criticism nor doubts. Truth actually says,”bring on the criticism and doubt.”

Unlike Ron’s view that wins can be damaged by SPs and criticisms, truth kicks criticisms ass because, if it is true, and the criticism is unbiased, truth becomes validated and vindicated through inquiry.

Ron hated criticism. Made it a High Crime. And SP in the same catagory as Hitler. That is the philosophy of Tyranny.

The reason we are here could be placed squarely on Ron’s fear of criticism. Whatever good there is in Scientology has been publically mared because of his personal fears and phobias.

Criticism is not destruction. Criticism is not attack. That is Ron’s view.

If an auditor, on his own, helps people to resolve their own suffering, that is the only way to rehabilitate this craft.

BUT…………. There are many demons to exorcize from the subject. And denying that Ron had much to do with it will actually keep society from seeing Indies as sane or valid.

At this point being a Ron apologist will only hurt the cause of the Sciwbtologist.

That is because there is an elephant in the room and the true believers have been trained, brainwashed, to consider criticism an attack. That is Ron-right there-in your head talking.

Hallie: Thanks for the nice words regarding me and my tribe. We appreciate you Exes, because you gave us guidance when we started this seven years ago that was invaluable, as well as exposed us to the never-ending laundry list of human rights abuses that the cult engages in. We do not forgive them for this. We do not forget what they’ve done.

DM: Expect Us.

Dear Carcha:

Here are some stable data (and the plural of “datum” is “data”, not “datums”) regarding L. Ron Hubbard:

1) It was L. Ron Hubbard who said that LGBTs should either be “cured” or “eliminated, quietly and without sorrow.”

2) It was L. Ron Hubbard who claimed that he won 27 medals during WWII. The actual count was 4, at least two of which were service medals given to everyone.

3) It was L. Ron Hubbard who claimed knowledge of nuclear physics greater than most Ph.D.s, and used that “knowledge” to promote Dianazene (useless) and the Purif (more harmful than good).

4) It was L. Ron Hubbard who said that all the world’s evils can be traced to psychiatrists, and that psychiatric medication was simply a tool to control humans.

I am a gay US Army Gulf War-era veteran with a degree in physics, and I take psychiatric medication (and have had my own type of wins off them). Give me reasons why I shouldn’t hate L. Ron Hubbard’s guts with every fiber of my being. He has personally offended me with those four actions on a core level.

You see, Carcha, most people protesting the cult are doing so because of the numerous abuses. I do so because the cult that I’m protesting is the cult of personality surrounding L. Ron Hubbard. This includes Indies who still worship the ground that he walked on.

When it comes to the work of L. Ron Hubbard, I follow Alfred Jarry’s recommendation: it’s not enough to destroy the structure, the ruins have to be destroyed as well. And if you’re caught up in the damage, oh, well. Tough.

Schorsch – At least you are trying to be analytical – and headed in the right direction, looking at stable data. Try some that are more historical (man is a spirit, there is an after-life, others do exist, emotions vary, communication is possible). I have great admiration for LRH, and I trust him, but if he had written that he was God Himself, I would have wished I could talk to him about that for a moment. I have simply found that what LRH wrote is true, that processes work, that gains are made – and it does anger me to see people who are too stupid to appreciate something try to destroy it.

Gerhard, you say you expect others not to have the arrogance to judge, but look what judgmental statements you have made. If I disagree with you, am I then in Disneyland according to you? Come on, you’re smarter than that. I’ll come over if you have wine. 🙂

Chill Sheldon, we’re all just communicating here, but thanks for caring. You’re awesome.

yep, the little pooch is in the dog pound.