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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Ms. Feshbach, for backing up David in his assertions that Hubbard couldn&#039;t train an auditor, mock up a training bridge correctly, organize a Church or publish his books or data or manage people. That Hubbard made overt products.

 Now I am going the throw the mink teddy bear your husband gave me into the trash basket.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ms. Feshbach, for backing up David in his assertions that Hubbard couldn&#8217;t train an auditor, mock up a training bridge correctly, organize a Church or publish his books or data or manage people. That Hubbard made overt products.</p>
<p> Now I am going the throw the mink teddy bear your husband gave me into the trash basket.</p>
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		By: Globetrotter		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-2030</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-1965&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I will now restudy the SHSBC and Class VIII lectures, as without the Basics and ACCs, it was simply a skipped gradient. &quot;

--- So LRH had it wrong when he delivered the Briefing Course. His delivery was on the wrong gradient. You are so lucky that Dave set it right  - you can now have the real benefit of the SHSBC that LRH denied you!

&quot;For us to be here at this moment in time with LRH, and to have COB completely duplicate LRH and to bring about the Materials Grade Chart is beyond brilliant.&quot;

--- Yeah. Like the way he implemented the Ideal Orgs HCO PL. Or the Birthday Game LRH ED. Or his brilliance in explaining how the F/N either swings three times or it ain&#039;t an F/N. Or the way he implemented LRH&#039;s policies on exchange with the IAS and the Ideal Org fundraising or the Super Power building! Now that&#039;s what I call BRILLIANT duplication! He is a freaking GENIUS! (rolling thunder)

&quot;COB’s strategy of the IAS, his strategic Ideal Orgs which are creating islands of sanity that dot the planet, along with the advent of the new AOs on key continents so that OT can become a reality for all.&quot;

--- Yes, yes, that&#039;s SOOO cool! Especially that we don&#039;t even need PEOPLE in those Ideal Orgs! He is so brilliant, he figured out how apply the LRH policy on Human Emotion and Reaction (the biggest barrier to production). Get rid of people, and you got rid of the production problem! The ideal orgs clear their areas AUTOMATICALLY with machines, with no people needed to be inside the org (despite the enemy lines, THAT&#039;S why they are really empty - they are actually working, making COB&#039;s plans become an actuality as we speak, you just can&#039;t see it because you are not up to COB&#039;s case level). COB is making OTs every day by simply thinking of making OTs in every area and drinking Scotch to help his postulates stick. The AOs in each continent don&#039;t even need to be staffed or renovated, because COB just postulates OTs and they appear on every continent, in every city, automatically! All you need to do is donate more money to the IAS today (you gotta realize that COB can&#039;t postulate enough  if he has to handle EVERYTHING - the IAS needs to defend his postulates in YOUR area, so pay up so he can clear YOUR city too!)

&quot;It is very easy to look out and see where this civilization has gone and how we are the only ones that are giving it life.&quot;

--- Thank you, Kathy! I&#039;m so grateful that you gave me life. I&#039;m enjoying it. Can I send you a donation?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-1965">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I will now restudy the SHSBC and Class VIII lectures, as without the Basics and ACCs, it was simply a skipped gradient. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212; So LRH had it wrong when he delivered the Briefing Course. His delivery was on the wrong gradient. You are so lucky that Dave set it right  &#8211; you can now have the real benefit of the SHSBC that LRH denied you!</p>
<p>&#8220;For us to be here at this moment in time with LRH, and to have COB completely duplicate LRH and to bring about the Materials Grade Chart is beyond brilliant.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212; Yeah. Like the way he implemented the Ideal Orgs HCO PL. Or the Birthday Game LRH ED. Or his brilliance in explaining how the F/N either swings three times or it ain&#8217;t an F/N. Or the way he implemented LRH&#8217;s policies on exchange with the IAS and the Ideal Org fundraising or the Super Power building! Now that&#8217;s what I call BRILLIANT duplication! He is a freaking GENIUS! (rolling thunder)</p>
<p>&#8220;COB’s strategy of the IAS, his strategic Ideal Orgs which are creating islands of sanity that dot the planet, along with the advent of the new AOs on key continents so that OT can become a reality for all.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212; Yes, yes, that&#8217;s SOOO cool! Especially that we don&#8217;t even need PEOPLE in those Ideal Orgs! He is so brilliant, he figured out how apply the LRH policy on Human Emotion and Reaction (the biggest barrier to production). Get rid of people, and you got rid of the production problem! The ideal orgs clear their areas AUTOMATICALLY with machines, with no people needed to be inside the org (despite the enemy lines, THAT&#8217;S why they are really empty &#8211; they are actually working, making COB&#8217;s plans become an actuality as we speak, you just can&#8217;t see it because you are not up to COB&#8217;s case level). COB is making OTs every day by simply thinking of making OTs in every area and drinking Scotch to help his postulates stick. The AOs in each continent don&#8217;t even need to be staffed or renovated, because COB just postulates OTs and they appear on every continent, in every city, automatically! All you need to do is donate more money to the IAS today (you gotta realize that COB can&#8217;t postulate enough  if he has to handle EVERYTHING &#8211; the IAS needs to defend his postulates in YOUR area, so pay up so he can clear YOUR city too!)</p>
<p>&#8220;It is very easy to look out and see where this civilization has gone and how we are the only ones that are giving it life.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212; Thank you, Kathy! I&#8217;m so grateful that you gave me life. I&#8217;m enjoying it. Can I send you a donation?</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-2029</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-2027&quot;&gt;Jonsty&lt;/a&gt;.

Jonsty, I have a lot of reality on what you&#039;ve stated here about the current RCS OTs still in.  They thought they were buying the Bridge To Total Freedom but what they got instead was the Scientology equivalent of the Brooklyn Bridge.  They are delusionary in the extreme.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-2027">Jonsty</a>.</p>
<p>Jonsty, I have a lot of reality on what you&#8217;ve stated here about the current RCS OTs still in.  They thought they were buying the Bridge To Total Freedom but what they got instead was the Scientology equivalent of the Brooklyn Bridge.  They are delusionary in the extreme.</p>
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		By: gato rojo		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-2028</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-1966&quot;&gt;Simple Thetan&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly! Reminds me of a time at my old org where the ED and I and a few others DID a program sent to orgs from QEI at Int Management when it did still exist and was doing its job well (probably around 1982ish) and we had no Regs posted. All we did was concentrate on quality delivery. Not a mention of Registrars. Our ED did the occasional &quot;reg cycle&quot; of signing someone up for more services and he had no time to dance the stupid reg cycle dance with them--they either wanted it or they didn&#039;t and if they did he figured out their next service and the price and walked the check down to the income dept.
Eventually he couldn&#039;t get out of the reg office so we HAD to get someone to sit there at least for part of the day to take happy willing re-signups and walk checks to the income dept. No Vulture Culture techniques needed at all! Tech corrected and used properly made happy people who did want more, and we&#039;d see to it that they got that too. Unfortunately those nice up stats are what got that ED qualified for and into the sea org eventually, (a mission came to take him, no matter what) and I went too, and when we left the place went back to bad times again. (He also left the sea org and Scientology after about 9 years of being yelled and screamed at--must&#039;ve been  totally incompetent jerk, hmmmm?)
That org could&#039;ve been one of the biggest just due to that one program we followed if he hadn&#039;t somehow been convinced to move up because he&#039;s such a great executive and was &quot;needed&quot; in higher positions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-1966">Simple Thetan</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly! Reminds me of a time at my old org where the ED and I and a few others DID a program sent to orgs from QEI at Int Management when it did still exist and was doing its job well (probably around 1982ish) and we had no Regs posted. All we did was concentrate on quality delivery. Not a mention of Registrars. Our ED did the occasional &#8220;reg cycle&#8221; of signing someone up for more services and he had no time to dance the stupid reg cycle dance with them&#8211;they either wanted it or they didn&#8217;t and if they did he figured out their next service and the price and walked the check down to the income dept.<br />
Eventually he couldn&#8217;t get out of the reg office so we HAD to get someone to sit there at least for part of the day to take happy willing re-signups and walk checks to the income dept. No Vulture Culture techniques needed at all! Tech corrected and used properly made happy people who did want more, and we&#8217;d see to it that they got that too. Unfortunately those nice up stats are what got that ED qualified for and into the sea org eventually, (a mission came to take him, no matter what) and I went too, and when we left the place went back to bad times again. (He also left the sea org and Scientology after about 9 years of being yelled and screamed at&#8211;must&#8217;ve been  totally incompetent jerk, hmmmm?)<br />
That org could&#8217;ve been one of the biggest just due to that one program we followed if he hadn&#8217;t somehow been convinced to move up because he&#8217;s such a great executive and was &#8220;needed&#8221; in higher positions.</p>
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		By: Jonsty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 14:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In SCN it is taboo to live in the present.  One lives in an alternate reality based on &quot;OT postulates and total cause&quot;  In fact, it goes so far that you are bad and committing overts if you are not in agreement with the postulated world of SCN...&quot;must be total cause, total control.&quot;   One is invalidating the OT postulates if not in agreement with the Church.  After a while you actually believe in the dreamed up or postulated world as “everyone else is doing it.”  No one else exists in this world other than those in the Church, and they are the only ones who are correct  This is the world they live in...totally out of the present where they are right and everyone else is wrong.

The second part of the equation is “cannot be effect.”  As they are “OT’s who are total cause,”  it becomes unthinkable to be effect or fail. But, to see one has to communicate. To communicate, one has to be willing to be effect.

Folks then cannot see reality or truth.  It is not there to be seen for these two reasons: 1) they are not in the present, and 2) they cannot be effect .  One can say that they are not willing to look and see the truth, which is true. But it is also just as true that they are seeing the truth...their dream-like postulated truth.  It really is quite crazy.

Of course, I am talking about what happened to me, but I tend to believed it happened to many others…at least I believe I see it in others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In SCN it is taboo to live in the present.  One lives in an alternate reality based on &#8220;OT postulates and total cause&#8221;  In fact, it goes so far that you are bad and committing overts if you are not in agreement with the postulated world of SCN&#8230;&#8221;must be total cause, total control.&#8221;   One is invalidating the OT postulates if not in agreement with the Church.  After a while you actually believe in the dreamed up or postulated world as “everyone else is doing it.”  No one else exists in this world other than those in the Church, and they are the only ones who are correct  This is the world they live in&#8230;totally out of the present where they are right and everyone else is wrong.</p>
<p>The second part of the equation is “cannot be effect.”  As they are “OT’s who are total cause,”  it becomes unthinkable to be effect or fail. But, to see one has to communicate. To communicate, one has to be willing to be effect.</p>
<p>Folks then cannot see reality or truth.  It is not there to be seen for these two reasons: 1) they are not in the present, and 2) they cannot be effect .  One can say that they are not willing to look and see the truth, which is true. But it is also just as true that they are seeing the truth&#8230;their dream-like postulated truth.  It really is quite crazy.</p>
<p>Of course, I am talking about what happened to me, but I tend to believed it happened to many others…at least I believe I see it in others.</p>
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		By: Conan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 14:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike,
After reading Kathy Feshback piece of religious nonsense.  I can only conclude the following observations about her:

She is a glib student.

She is blind and deaf.

She is an idiot.

She is an evangelical religious believer on the same line as the extreme Christians and Muslims.

And more importantly, Kathy Feshback viewpoint has been thoroughly overwhelmed by his Holiness the master vampire David Miscavige.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
After reading Kathy Feshback piece of religious nonsense.  I can only conclude the following observations about her:</p>
<p>She is a glib student.</p>
<p>She is blind and deaf.</p>
<p>She is an idiot.</p>
<p>She is an evangelical religious believer on the same line as the extreme Christians and Muslims.</p>
<p>And more importantly, Kathy Feshback viewpoint has been thoroughly overwhelmed by his Holiness the master vampire David Miscavige.</p>
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		By: statpush		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 13:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In all fairness to Kathy, we don&#039;t know if she does or doesn&#039;t audit anymore.  She does seem excited about her studies; however her conclusion to become an IAS Reg comes straight out of HCO PL Third Dynamic De-Aberration.  This would be like training someone up to be a medical doctor and then posting him as the janitor, because we all know unclean environments contain germs.  Goofy.

On a side note, has anyone else noticed a covert (and not so covert) push to make it appear that the subject of Scn is difficult?  From DM&#039;s infamous &quot;The Blind have been leading the Blind&quot;, to extremely long training cycles (and then Fitness Boards on internships), to people restudying, retreading, on and on - you know this Scn stuff is pretty difficult.  It seems the common denominator to all this is &quot;Scientology is hard.&quot;  Not a very good reflection on LRH - &quot;the guy&#039;s a great writer and all, but I just can&#039;t understand a bloom&#039;n thing he says.&quot;  Who are these people?  Has someone convinced them they were stupid?

I recall an OTVIII speaking at graduation after finishing the Dianetics Book Course, and confessed that she never really understood Dianetics.  I was floored.  How does this happen?

So Kathy has devoted years and years studying and training to become an auditor, which is admirable - and what does she want to do?  Restudy the SHSBC and Class VIII course!!  Geez, when is she going to get around to actually auditing someone?  Next lifetime?

When I got into Scn we did not approach the subject in a linear timeline fashion.  Our study of Scn was driven by interest and on a &quot;need to know&quot; basis, which seemed to work well enough.  You were never forced to read this book, then this one, then that one, like some sort of religious assembly line.  You simply followed your curiosity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness to Kathy, we don&#8217;t know if she does or doesn&#8217;t audit anymore.  She does seem excited about her studies; however her conclusion to become an IAS Reg comes straight out of HCO PL Third Dynamic De-Aberration.  This would be like training someone up to be a medical doctor and then posting him as the janitor, because we all know unclean environments contain germs.  Goofy.</p>
<p>On a side note, has anyone else noticed a covert (and not so covert) push to make it appear that the subject of Scn is difficult?  From DM&#8217;s infamous &#8220;The Blind have been leading the Blind&#8221;, to extremely long training cycles (and then Fitness Boards on internships), to people restudying, retreading, on and on &#8211; you know this Scn stuff is pretty difficult.  It seems the common denominator to all this is &#8220;Scientology is hard.&#8221;  Not a very good reflection on LRH &#8211; &#8220;the guy&#8217;s a great writer and all, but I just can&#8217;t understand a bloom&#8217;n thing he says.&#8221;  Who are these people?  Has someone convinced them they were stupid?</p>
<p>I recall an OTVIII speaking at graduation after finishing the Dianetics Book Course, and confessed that she never really understood Dianetics.  I was floored.  How does this happen?</p>
<p>So Kathy has devoted years and years studying and training to become an auditor, which is admirable &#8211; and what does she want to do?  Restudy the SHSBC and Class VIII course!!  Geez, when is she going to get around to actually auditing someone?  Next lifetime?</p>
<p>When I got into Scn we did not approach the subject in a linear timeline fashion.  Our study of Scn was driven by interest and on a &#8220;need to know&#8221; basis, which seemed to work well enough.  You were never forced to read this book, then this one, then that one, like some sort of religious assembly line.  You simply followed your curiosity.</p>
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		By: PreferToBeAnon2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 13:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-2021&quot;&gt;PreferToBeAnon2&lt;/a&gt;.

Correction to my previous post:  I meant, can someone summarize what LRH wrote FOR black people (and not about black people) as our gal notes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-2021">PreferToBeAnon2</a>.</p>
<p>Correction to my previous post:  I meant, can someone summarize what LRH wrote FOR black people (and not about black people) as our gal notes.</p>
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		By: Karen LaPorte		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-1987&quot;&gt;Dan Koon&lt;/a&gt;.

That is too funny!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-1987">Dan Koon</a>.</p>
<p>That is too funny!</p>
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		By: Karen LaPorte		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-1985&quot;&gt;Michael Finley&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I have since had occasional run-ins with both of these guys(Kathy&#038;Matt) and both have had a tendency to believe rumor that suits rather than what is in writing.&quot;
Though I liked Matt, I kinda got the idea that he was just a bit too robotic.
Michael, you reminded me of a time back in 1984 that Matt was all over Cindy&#039;s case because she was listening to an album by Laura Branegan, called Self Control.  He kept trying to tell her that it was squirrelly and she kept insisting that it was just the name of an album with harmless lyrics.  He kept ridging on it and may have even written it up...he just wouldn&#039;t inspect the data for himself.  I would say his inability to confront has been there for quite some time which makes him a prime candidate for DM&#039;s mental mind warp, Kathy was just part of the package...a two for one special so to speak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/golden-age-of-the-vulture-culture/#comment-1985">Michael Finley</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have since had occasional run-ins with both of these guys(Kathy&amp;Matt) and both have had a tendency to believe rumor that suits rather than what is in writing.&#8221;<br />
Though I liked Matt, I kinda got the idea that he was just a bit too robotic.<br />
Michael, you reminded me of a time back in 1984 that Matt was all over Cindy&#8217;s case because she was listening to an album by Laura Branegan, called Self Control.  He kept trying to tell her that it was squirrelly and she kept insisting that it was just the name of an album with harmless lyrics.  He kept ridging on it and may have even written it up&#8230;he just wouldn&#8217;t inspect the data for himself.  I would say his inability to confront has been there for quite some time which makes him a prime candidate for DM&#8217;s mental mind warp, Kathy was just part of the package&#8230;a two for one special so to speak.</p>
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