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		By: peterblood71		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-230901</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2018 01:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-221813&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Landru guide us, LANDRU!&quot; - Star Trek TOS/&quot;Return Of The Archons&quot;

It&#039;s all for &quot;the good of the body.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-221813">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Landru guide us, LANDRU!&#8221; &#8211; Star Trek TOS/&#8221;Return Of The Archons&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all for &#8220;the good of the body.&#8221;</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222322</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222289&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

You didn&#039;t want your crimes disclosed?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222289">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t want your crimes disclosed?</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222288&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

This is great Mike.  Giving a comment to Logicproof is like using a computerized insanity generator program.  Even if you put in 2+2= you get out complete insanity ready to copy &#038; paste.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222288">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>This is great Mike.  Giving a comment to Logicproof is like using a computerized insanity generator program.  Even if you put in 2+2= you get out complete insanity ready to copy &amp; paste.</p>
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		By: exbritscino		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[exbritscino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222212&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually I have a lot of respect for peoples&#039; religions. It&#039;s just the cults I don&#039;t like...........

Yes, I am aware of the PTS/SP &quot;tech&quot;. When I was doing the course I realised one day that scientology was &quot;the item&quot;. So I left. Life has been on the up ever since!

As for the people who became ill in &quot;my presence&quot;, they were having accidents and illnesses BEFORE I came onto the scene, and after I left.................

As for Jason Beghe: He&#039;s obviously got more IQ than you. He got out. You&#039;re still attached and drinking the Kool Aid.............]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222212">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Actually I have a lot of respect for peoples&#8217; religions. It&#8217;s just the cults I don&#8217;t like&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Yes, I am aware of the PTS/SP &#8220;tech&#8221;. When I was doing the course I realised one day that scientology was &#8220;the item&#8221;. So I left. Life has been on the up ever since!</p>
<p>As for the people who became ill in &#8220;my presence&#8221;, they were having accidents and illnesses BEFORE I came onto the scene, and after I left&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>As for Jason Beghe: He&#8217;s obviously got more IQ than you. He got out. You&#8217;re still attached and drinking the Kool Aid&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222289</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 00:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222225&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

You take it wrongly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222225">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>You take it wrongly.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 00:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222226&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

The only babbling going on here is your comment above..You&#039;ve just stated what I have stated and of course twisted it around to cover your wrong tracks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222226">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>The only babbling going on here is your comment above..You&#8217;ve just stated what I have stated and of course twisted it around to cover your wrong tracks.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222232</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222170&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

FP, Hubbard wasn&#039;t just a man with petty foibles, he was a convicted criminal and a proven bald-faced liar - though things like that were kept hidden from you as you were forming your allegiance to him and his organization.

And it does get to the heart of the &quot;subject,&quot; because, for instance, there&#039;s no evidence that Hubbard was telling the truth about his claims of research in Dianetics - unless you know where we can see the nearly 300 cases of proof he claimed were on file.

Dianetics did actually collapse around the end of 1950.  Hubbard may have found ways to keep it going among a small group of people ever since, but you have to know full well from Scientology&#039;s theory of &quot;implants,&quot; not to mention the history of mankind, that it&#039;s little more than a parlor trick to get a certain number of people to convincingly believe almost anything.  If Scientology were truly workable, why hasn&#039;t it ever grown beyond a few tens of thousands of true believers, or had some undeniable impact such as producing leading figures in multiple fields (as other religious and cultural groups have succeeded at doing)?  Even the indies are failing miserably, though they have the freedom to avoid Scientology&#039;s organizational dysfunctions and to try new things - surely at least one group outside the CofS should have figured out how to make things &quot;boom&quot; if the tech were &quot;workable&quot;?

The problem with Scientology is that perhaps the one thing it does that&#039;s &quot;workable,&quot; is to use the tools of totalitarianism to enforce loyalty, and to extract labor and money from adherents, resulting in significant abuses - and borderline if not actual crimes.  That makes it harder to just write off compared to other odd, but benign, beliefs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222170">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>FP, Hubbard wasn&#8217;t just a man with petty foibles, he was a convicted criminal and a proven bald-faced liar &#8211; though things like that were kept hidden from you as you were forming your allegiance to him and his organization.</p>
<p>And it does get to the heart of the &#8220;subject,&#8221; because, for instance, there&#8217;s no evidence that Hubbard was telling the truth about his claims of research in Dianetics &#8211; unless you know where we can see the nearly 300 cases of proof he claimed were on file.</p>
<p>Dianetics did actually collapse around the end of 1950.  Hubbard may have found ways to keep it going among a small group of people ever since, but you have to know full well from Scientology&#8217;s theory of &#8220;implants,&#8221; not to mention the history of mankind, that it&#8217;s little more than a parlor trick to get a certain number of people to convincingly believe almost anything.  If Scientology were truly workable, why hasn&#8217;t it ever grown beyond a few tens of thousands of true believers, or had some undeniable impact such as producing leading figures in multiple fields (as other religious and cultural groups have succeeded at doing)?  Even the indies are failing miserably, though they have the freedom to avoid Scientology&#8217;s organizational dysfunctions and to try new things &#8211; surely at least one group outside the CofS should have figured out how to make things &#8220;boom&#8221; if the tech were &#8220;workable&#8221;?</p>
<p>The problem with Scientology is that perhaps the one thing it does that&#8217;s &#8220;workable,&#8221; is to use the tools of totalitarianism to enforce loyalty, and to extract labor and money from adherents, resulting in significant abuses &#8211; and borderline if not actual crimes.  That makes it harder to just write off compared to other odd, but benign, beliefs.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222226</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 12:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222166&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

More insane babble as Hubtard claims that the bank takes the incident&#039;s CONTENT as literal and THAT (the content) forms the &quot;agreement&quot;.  And, as since the CONTENT is DIFFERENT from person to person there could be no bank AGREEMENT.  As the BANK doesn&#039;t REASON it doesn&#039;t KNOW its own structure.  No more than a hard drive knows it is a hard drive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222166">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>More insane babble as Hubtard claims that the bank takes the incident&#8217;s CONTENT as literal and THAT (the content) forms the &#8220;agreement&#8221;.  And, as since the CONTENT is DIFFERENT from person to person there could be no bank AGREEMENT.  As the BANK doesn&#8217;t REASON it doesn&#8217;t KNOW its own structure.  No more than a hard drive knows it is a hard drive.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mwesten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222164&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, so you&#039;re still in the Co$ I take it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222164">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, so you&#8217;re still in the Co$ I take it?</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222213</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 02:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222155&quot;&gt;exbritscino&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;...suppressive like me is in total haste to use his keyboard to have at Scientology&quot; We are waiting with baited breath...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/groups-collaboration-and-the-bank/#comment-222155">exbritscino</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;suppressive like me is in total haste to use his keyboard to have at Scientology&#8221; We are waiting with baited breath&#8230;</p>
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