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Harlem was opened as an “ideal” org on 31 July 2016. That is 3 years ago now.

In that time, they have made 40 Clears. Forty.

A little over one every 4 weeks.

And according to them this is “BIG” news at the #coolestorgontheplanet.

Well, hell, if they are doing so well and are so cool, the standards have dropped pretty low in the world of scientology.

They’re not going to be Clearing NY any time soon. In fact, they are going backwards on achieving that goal.

Slightly modifying someone’s adroit recent comment:  this is like jumping over the sofa and declaring “We’re going to the moon.”

Any other business that invested $10+ million to get a return like this would have long ago gone belly up. But when you take money without delivering anything in return AND you don’t have to pay taxes, this can go on forever.

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  1. Mike said: “But when you take money without delivering anything in return AND you don’t have to pay taxes, this can go on forever.”

    So true. Money for nothing disguised as a path to eternity. Money for no product. Money for illusion. Money that’s almost impossible to get back.

    Scientology won’t die for lack of money. It might die by it’s Miscavige-directed footbullets if they attract enough law enforcement attention or the attention of certain politicians.

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  2. Scientology has never produced one Clear in the history of this evil cult. Not ONE!

    Jason Beghe got me OUT of Scientology.

    I watched his videos 10 times as the cognitive dissonance stung me like a thousand bees. It hurt everywhere.

    It was painful to learn the truth.

    I spent $275,000 “Going Clear” and after attesting to “Clear” I got sick, got upset, got divorced, lost my house to foreclosure, Married another Scientologist who was a died in the wooler and got divorced again and then reached levels of insanity I never thought possible with the false lies Scientology fed me.

    I have PTSD from the fear the Sea Org staff installed in me due to threats of “getting cancer” if I did not get on my OT levels.

    I recall the contracts they gave me and told me I had to sign and it dawned on me – I am getting worse because of Scientology so I dug around the internet and found Jason Beghe and Tory’s videos.

    Thank you for helping me break free from Scientology. I left the cult and never looked back.

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  3. 40 clears in 3 years? They are doing it wrong. For $10k a person I can clear 1,000 people a day in group sessions. Guaranteed! OT levels, same thing.

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    • Wynski – I am mocking up my own reactive mind but can stop it and control it. I can clear people for free. It is all over the internet.

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  4. Bamboozled No More – I am a Scientology watcher. Thank you for sharing this Clear thingy. I was curious about what the hell that was. I can’t believe this scam. I read ‘The Four Agreements’ by Miguel Ruiz and had a similar realization. I got the book at the Library for free and it took me about 6 hours to read the book.

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  5. There are no Clears. Jason Bagya always said…” show me a motherfucking Clear and I’ll give them a million dollars “.

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  6. “Any other business that invested $10+ million to get a return like this would have long ago gone belly up. But when you take money without delivering anything in return AND you don’t have to pay taxes, this can go on forever.”

    Not forever; just as long as they can still find new marks to bleed dry.

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  7. 40 ‘clears’ in 3 years!? that IS straight up and vertical! Notwithstanding the fact that there never has been a ‘clear’ made, only people who had been convinced by scn that they’d been given superpowers. In my experience, it was all illusory and quite temporary. The crash afterwards was devastating; everything taken away, and more.

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  8. Anyone can get to Clear, almost in no time. Just show up to the org, and the registrar will clear all of your financial resources, past, present and future in a nanosecond!

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    • Ed … We call that a “money clear” … When you are clear of all money, it can no longer impinge on you …

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      • That is a good one. If there was truth in advertising required – Scientology would have to admit that all of the auditing and run downs produce the same EP and it can last this lifetime.

        The Scientology Money CLEAR.

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  9. The quiet selling off of real estate has begun….I’m hoping it is the quiet downfall of the cult. If the people who worked so hard to donate those millions of dollars see their investment being sold off, it might make them stop and think for a second. However, if they are selling it, it may be likely that all of the “whales” in that area were sucked dry or left already so no one is left to protest the sale….either way, it’s not a good look for the cult. If anyone knows any members in that area, a real estate flyer in their email in box may be warranted!

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    • https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrC3HyKVfhcAx8A.wEPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg–/RV=2/RE=1559807499/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.loopnet.com%2fListing%2f2345-Lafayette-Ave-Saint-Louis-MO%2f14862467%2f/RK=2/RS=OpgE0.vgp975pA26J_nwG77fCLo-

      St Louis Ideal Org us up for sale but it is a high crime to ask what the list price is.

      Check out the link. 2345 Lafayette loopnet

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      • It was supposed to have been sold at a sealed bid auction starting at $1, in February 2018 – or possibly 2019 if someone got the date wrong at the beginning of the year:

        https://www2.colliers.com/en/Properties/redevelopment-opportunity-in-historic-lafayette-square/USA-2345-lafayette-avenye-st-louis-mo-63104/USA1053322

        Apparently they didn’t get any satisfactory bids – or else there is some sort of complex proposal in the works contingent on things like zoning approval and financing, which is what has happened with the Alexandra Hotel property in Boston. This shows that Scientology has bought a lot of white elephant type properties that will be very hard to sell and get their money back out of – even the ones that have been renovated, have been reconfigured for Scientology’s specialized uses, and may also not have much market value or be very attractive to potential buyers.

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        • Get a load of the marketing instructions. It is scary and very threatening.

          “We of the Church believe that you have a right to speak freely”
          unless you are talking about a property we bought with YOUR money – then you can’t even apply the Science of Knowing how to Know and ask for the purchase price nor can you talk about it.
          You see – If you find out – you may be really pissed that we are going to pocket the cash and then make your fundraise for more money so you can expand in the current location you have been in for the past 20 years.

          What a money making racket for Scientology.

          I ran a company and know a good friend who is a commercial real estate broker and he said the real estate agent was instructed to put this out by David Miscavige so the Scientologists in St Louis never can find out what it sold for.

          We were told we had to have the building in order to go Ideal and 11 years later – Scientology now says they don’t need it. Sounds like a scam to the Wog World.

          He has never seen anything like it. Really weird.

          He has lots of friends at Colliers so he will get the information and get it out on the internet.

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    • Kat, I don’t think they’re yet doing anything more than a bit of shuffling of deck chairs on the Titanic, yet. While they’ve now given up on two or three properties for sort of tactical reasons, I think their additional purchases for some of the orgs like Ventura (formerly Santa Barbara) and Albuquerque (another classic SFO) more than make up for it.

      I suspect that total square footage owned – a figure Scientology proudly touts as supposed evidence of “expansion” – is one of Miscavige’s personal “stats” that he will not allow to go down under any circumstances. I have wondered if Scientology would at some point start to unload some of the many buildings it owns in the LA area, which have to be under-utilized and in some cases perhaps even virtually unused at this point, but then again they might not be able to unless they could come up with some sort of shuffle to keep that stat of total square footage going up.

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  12. I believe this is Mermaid Jameelah Jones. I don’t know why her certificate leaves off her prefix of Mermaid. She is the leader of the “Mermaid Nation.”

    She is from Texas and moved to NYC. I think she left Dallas because she was recruited to work at the Harlem Org. She is a singer and it looks like she also has a “cosmetic line” in her spare time.

    She says in this video that two years ago she was working on a “reality” show for Scientology about what it is like to be a black Scientologist singer.

    Here’s her interview/monologue on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTaQ6IEEHOE

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  13. I wonder how many of those *clears are Staff.

    As any long term scio knows, staff have NEVER been able to do their own bridges while on staff as a general rule.

    Very very few staff clears were made, partially because orgs often were not allowed to deliver DCSI or CCRD (the actions which “verify” the clear status) The ability to deliver these was a yo-yo, Management kept changing the privilege. Any staff member who actually got auditing couldn’t afford to go to an AO for the actions. Or if they originated “past life clear” status, they were either last in line (never delivered) for the CCRD/DCSI or they couldn’t afford to go to AO.

    I’m guessing that the orgs are delivering auditing to their staff due to lack or public PCs or as fish bait to lure in new staff. “SEE! Join Staff and YOU TOO can go up the bridge!!”

    If they had a roaring div 4 HCG public, you betcha staff wouldn’t be getting any auditing. the post of “Staff Staff Auditor” was the last post in the org to be filled.

    (and yah, “Staff Staff Auditor” is not a typo – it distinguishs a person on staff as an auditor for public, “Staff Auditor” from one to is assigned to Div 5 Staff Section, a Staff Auditor who audits Staff only.)

    ……..

    I’m not afraid of getting old and getting dementia. I’m doing well recovering from the past 40 years of having it instilled in me.

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    • Rip offered:”I’m not afraid of getting old and getting dementia. I’m doing well recovering from the past 40 years of having it instilled in me.”

      On the other hand, I am EMBRACING my descent into dementia. It gives me excuses for my existing shortcomings.

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    • Rip VanWinkle, YOu said, “If they had a roaring div 4 HCG public, you betcha staff wouldn’t be getting any auditing. the post of “Staff Staff Auditor” was the last post in the org to be filled.” This is true. I have it from someone who is on staff at a Class V Org right now, that staff are doing coaudits because not enough pc’s. AND they are also regging staff to buy professional auditing to keep their auditors busy auditing someone since there aren’t enough public. So they are taking money from those who are already giving of their blood, sweat, and tears. Shameless.

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      • Oh, and P.S., one staff member I know is on OT VII right now. I asked how she can afford to get on and stay on OT VII on staff pay. The answer was that a whale at the org donated money for the purpose of getting staff their OT Levels, and she was granted the money to do this with. I wouldn’t be surprised if she love bombed him and he gave the money specifically for HER. But that wasn’t part wasn’t confirmed or denied to me.

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        • (For those who don’t know: Scn pay system is like if you took a week’s take from a Tip Jar from a lunch counter, took 10 percent off the top for management, then took 30 percent of the remainder and divvied it up in “unit system” among the staff according to a convoluted hierarchy – unless there were lots of back bills to pay, in which case the entire tip jar was scooped by the owner) (that happens almost every week)

          Your pay was usually about 10-20 bucks on the rate occasion there WAS pay, with a staff of 35 or so.

          There is an early HCO PL that talks about a staff member being allowed to “give up his units for the week” to the HGC auditor, and get auditing from that auditor.

          That was predicated on the idea that the weekly units actually had a value, and the week’s pay was not usurped by those above.

          I never ever ever saw it happen. We tried it during a time way back in the early days, but the unit never had enough value for it to be worthwhile for the auditors. Our Org was split into Day and Fdn and the auditors had Wog Jobs as well.

          Sometimes there would be temporary solutions like having the Day Auditor hired to work for the Fdn Org or vice versa, being paid by the hour, the pay generally at or below minimum wage – just enough to allow the auditor to scrape by.

          Then a new management rule would come out and call that squirrel and cancel it and the Auditors went back to driving cab or cleaning carpets on their off hours. (Saving the world! One Ride At a Time!!”

          They really stopped all that stuff with the advent of the Universe Corps. We were supposed to just do our jobs and the UC would come to town when we went St. Hill size and make us all OT.

          They also then discouraged staff going to AO on their own, and getting the auditing at “staff rates”.

          Staff used to be able to get OT levels at 50% off full price.

          I wrote all of that to set up my question of …

          What happened to the Universe Corps?! 🙂 What happened to Going St. Hill, and it being counter productive for outside solutions for Staff OT Levels?

          Having someone donate like that takes away from the staff’s incentive to get their ass in gear and do what Ron said! They don’t get the OT levels until they boom their org!

          “Back in the burlap bag, you mangy cat! Get in their and squirm in the dark with the rest! We’re NEVER letting you OUT!!!”

          There is also an HCO PL reference to the org, “taking in their own laundry”, also applies to this… orgs are there to audit public and that comes before servicing staff

          ….

          I too take it as a good sign that staff are getting auditing. I’m not fooled at all by any shore story reasons they’ve resorted to it.

          🙂

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    • You think those *clears* may be staff?

      I would look around for used newspapers. They may be confused and think they can count windows cleaned with newspapers as *clears*.

      (Just my silly attempt at humor)

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    • Rip proffered:
      “As any long term scio knows, staff have NEVER been able to do their own bridges while on staff as a general rule.”

      In my experience, staff got auditing ONLY through co-auditing during their “Personal Enhancement” time. And the co-auditing was more like a round-robin rather than a 1:1 affair. That got me some sessions from auditors MUCH higher in the hierarchy a couple of times; repair by an 8, and NED from a 12: They WERE qualitatively better than “mere” class IVs or VIs, in my experience. Davey-Boy’s ‘auditors’ can’t possibly be as accomplished as the 8s and 12s trained by Tubby personally. Their TRs were by no means ‘wooden’ and confrontational.

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      • I gotch’a.

        The only auditing I got on staff were Repair Actions when I would crash and burn on my post or have some awful thing happen – death assists for Grandma or something.

        I did all my bridge as public when I left Org staff and joined an ABLE staff group.

        Our attempts at co-audits were stopped at the gate after weak attempts to establish them – the tape, “A Talk On a Basic Qual” was always being violated. You could never ever finish your TIP (staff training program) to the point where you could get actual ‘bridge enhancement time’ as opposed to post training.

        Remember QTSM? Qualified and Trained Staff? If you were a Div head, your full training included the entire OEC. No bridge for YOU until you did St. Hat, Mini Hat, Full Hat, Exec Trs, Exec Essentials Course, and Full OEC. Even a department head had to do OEC 0 and the OEC vol. for their division.

        In the meantime, all kinds of big study orders would come down that “applied to all staff” and it would just throw the TIP out the window. Everyone had to stop what they were doing and do the new thing, violating the tape I mentioned.

        12.5 hours of study time per week allowed, when you were working two outside jobs while also being on staff 45 hours a week…

        nobody went anywhere on the bridge as a general rule.

        The only auditing were bandaids to keep you IN, to keep you On Staff.

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    • Rip observed:
      “As any long term scio knows, staff have NEVER been able to do their own bridges while on staff as a general rule.”

      THAT gives me an idea for a new metric to watch signaling scns demise: The number of staff/ Sea Org ‘advancing’ “up” the ‘bridge’. Only when there are no more public will the worker ants reap services, themselves — UNLESS they fall into their own money and can PAY their way as public.
      (for a short distance/time.)

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  14. I’m confused. How can you be an auditor before you are clear? Isn’t that like practising psychology without having a license?

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    • Dawn – There is nothing “confidential” in the auditing up to and including “Clear” so she could audit anyone on that. She probably co-audited with another person, received auditing from a staff member or even bought some auditing while she was auditing other people which would “balance the flow” as a scientologist would say.

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    • Dawn asked:”I’m confused. How can you be an auditor before you are clear? Isn’t that like practising psychology without having a license?”

      It’s always been that way. Supposedly, a trained Auditor is above his/her case while auditing, so is more-or-less ‘clear’ in that situation. The TRs are how the auditor can ignore any emotions that naturally come up in session.

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  15. That girl is probably happy…she doesn’t know yet that the aftermath of going clear is a big letdown. Except when other scino’s come up to you with awe in their eyes because you have a state they hope to achieve. She’ll get a cold, she’ll get the flu, she’ll be pushed to work 7 days a week, if she gets married and has kids no time off…time will tell. Ugh.

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    • Rosemarie said:
      “That girl is probably happy…she doesn’t know yet that the aftermath of going clear is a big letdown”

      IKR! 40 years ago, I attested to ‘clear’ Not too long afterwards, I took an honest look at the possible futures for me at Flag. I’ve never gotten so depressed before or since — nearly suicidal (But I couldn’t TELL anyone that or life would have gotten worse than the RPF, which was their “solution” to my emotional state.
      AS IF further degradation and abuse defeats depression over being abused and arbitrarily punished.
      Turns out it DID work, as the RPF was a vacation compared to the physical work I’d been doing for years and running around everywhere never was much of a strain.

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  16. Been there myself with a smile like that. So sad when you know what the future holds for a girl like that. If it was possible to insist she listened to just one word, it would be, “RUN!”

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    • Yawnalot gave us:
      “If it was possible to insist she listened to just one word, it would be, “RUN!””

      Too late for that. The time to RUN was right at the beginning, B4 she “found” something that appeared to ‘work’. Once you get “that smile”, you’re already trapped.

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  17. 40 clears at maybe $50,000 each keeps the lights turned on. Big surprise for them when they see how much time and money the OT levels cost.

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    • Maybe it be would not be a surprise. Finding a couple hundred wealthy New Yorkers willing to chase OT powerz is not that big an accomplishment. From a corporate point of view if the org pays for itself and sends a few whales uplines it was a good investment.

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    • I wanted to share my late post from yesterday. I don’t think many saw it. It is about the Ideal Org Scam going on in Scientology.

      Scientology = rack·et·eer·ing
      [ˌrakəˈtiriNG]
      NOUN
      dishonest and fraudulent business dealings.
      I was a sciobot in St Louis for many years. It was dead back in the mid 90’s and has dwindled away to only a handful of members today. It takes a bit to confront the whole truth regarding the Ideal Org Money Making Extortion Ring Racket for Scientology / David Miscavge but I believe that mystery was solved when Luis Garcia and his lovely wife sued the cult of Scientology for the fraudulent fundraising where he had to donate $$$,$$$ for the cross on the Super Power building now, now, now. Luis discovered that several members from his Org – Orange County, also had been extorted to purchase the cross now, now, now. A little scheme that worked for the Registrars. Luis sued Scientology. It forced Miscavige to open Super Power.
      David Miscavige had masterminded a the get rich using other people’s money buying real estate scam with Super Power and extorted over $220,000,000 from the fine folks in the cult. Seeing that real estate was big money for his luxurious lifestyle, he launched the Ideal Org Scam putting pressure on members to give all until it hurts.
      All you do – convince the clubbed seals that in order to clear the planet with the epic expansion of Scientology – open big, fancy buildings. Then – have grand openings for fanfare. It is part of the “shill”. The Ideal Orgs are big and empty – I went to several. Then sell some of the buildings and pocket the “donations”. After all, the clubbed seals signed legal dox where they can’t have the donation back.
      St Louis is selling their Ideal Org building now. It is a big secret. The real estate company is not allowed to discuss the price. They have suppressive language on the brochure. They are using Suppressive Marketing techniques. Google: 2345 Lafayette “The Das Haus” for sale. St Louis Scientology Ideal Org raised over $15,000,000 for the building they had to have now, now, now in 2007. 11 years later – they don’t need it after all.
      Surely the US Government can see through this and shut the cult down.
      What is it going to take – a mass suicide like Jim Jones outfit?

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      • Religious cons are the worst. Not only do people get conned out of money, they often spend years of their life. If it’s any consolation, when Dianetics came out in 1950 tens of thousands of people have it a try, BS and all. The lure of attaining Super Powers or abilities is always a good hook.

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      • I flinched,
        I’ve always likened it to a giant pseudo religious real estate scam and you just summed it up nicely. its a little like time share on steroids, or a Ponzi scheme where no one actually gets any returns on an investment. I think there were several scams that used this same premise in the 80’s selling retirement investment community land in the Everglades or something. The “religious” angle keeps him protected to a degree. Unfortunately.

        Kat

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        • Yes Kat and thank you for chiming in. I believe Scientology’s scamming days are over thank God to all of the exposure on the INTERNET. OT L Ron Hubbard – knowing and willing cause over MEST was not OT enough to “know” that the Internet would be his demise and it would expose the horrific con of Scientology. ALL OF IT.
          What I am realizing now is that Scientology trickery has filtered throughout society. There are many people using “ARC” in businesses where they fake pretend to care about you until they sell their agenda to you – then discard without sorrow.
          It appears L Ron Hubbard has smashed his name into history, thanks to people like Mike Rinder and Leah Remini – where his name has the same reaction from people as Charles Manson – only Charles Mason was MORE famous in the criminal sort of way.
          People who know about Scientology know that it is a scam and the cult won’t be getting many more victims walking into its doors – curious.
          The public will be curious about the horror stories of the victims from Scientology and we will make sure of that. Thank you Mike Rinder for all you do. You are truly a humanitarian and are saving lives with the truth.

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      • I Flinched, thanks for the info on St Louis Org. And a follow up question would be, WHO gets the money when that building sells? Will it go to Davey straight up? Or will they somehow obfuscate it to make it look like he didn’t see a dime of it?

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        • Thanks for your reply Cindy. Who will get the money? David Miscavige will. How else has he afforded his chef to prepare his 10 meals a day, his luxury automobiles, several homes, Jon Lobb shoes, tailered $5,000 suits etc. Miscavige has hired attorney’s and accountant’s to work the system in a way for him to get the money and spend it ecclesiastically however he wants so that he is not in jail. He has worked the system. Ain’t it theta? NOT! Miscavige is a criminal of the worst kind.

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      • Dang! Just when I was gaining confidence the scam would soon be shut down and the monster put in jail for the rest of his life.

        I watched one of those People Magazine Investigates Cults where they featured a cult called “The Nubian Nation” started by cult leader Dwight York. He got sentenced to more than 100 years in prison and has exhausted all his appeals. He is certain to live out his life in prison locked down for 23 hours per day.

        If you watch that episode, the FBI was portrayed as very active and highly motivated to throw his ass in prison.

        When will this creepy monster’s turn come?

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        • Oops. It may have been A&E Investigates. I don’t remember for sure. I’m getting old, you know.

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          • P.S. I really hope the reason the FBI was so eager to throw York into prison was not because of his race. He is a black man whose entire cult consisted of only black people.

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            • Skyler,
              I don’t think it had anything to do with race. In that case it was involving child sexual abuse much like the FLDS and Children of God.

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      • I flinched gave us:”Surely the US Government can see through this and shut the cult down.
        What is it going to take – a mass suicide like Jim Jones outfit?”

        AFAICT, the US won’t move unless and until scn (MustSavage) is convicted of incontrovertible crimes that violate IRS regs for a ‘church’. And even then, they’ll move so deliberately (slowly) that it’ll be YEARS before anyone external can detect that they’ve started to act.
        IMO, Davey’s being sent to the big house (and those Bubbas) will be sufficient in and of itself. While the Munchkin® is thus ‘distracted’, he’ll be unable to devote much attention to devising his next crimes against humanity.
        As soon as a criminal enterprise pleads ‘church’, the Government is required to back WAY off, as they MUST take the enterprise at its word, despite ANY evidence to the contrary.
        FRUSTRATING!, but it protects all would-be religions, even the dangerously destructive cults, for fear of hamstringing a REAL religion.

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        • jere lull,

          I realize that what you say is very likely true and that your opinion represents a healthy and moderating voice in this debate.

          I’m afraid that I just want to see the sucker(sp) get arrested and thrown into jail. It has been far too long coming and I want to live long enough to see him get what he deserves.

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  18. Nit-picky but significant correction here. Harlem Ideal Org claims to have made 40 ‘clears’ when in fact they have only made 40 oversized & gaudy ‘clear’ certificates. Since the earliest days back in the late 40’s when Hubbard was supposedly conducting his now missing research there have been NO ‘clears’ made by Hubbard or anyone else in the cult. There are no ‘clears’ and no ‘OTs’, only these worthless* certificates that declare the state of ‘clear’ and ‘OT’. This has been a very successful long con and remains so to this day.

    *Okay, maybe not completely worthless. I have it on good authority that these certificates make excellent liners for birdcages, albeit overpriced liners. My unsolicited advice for scientologists; save the newspaper that was used to wash windows and re-use it for your birdcage liners. It will be much better for your budget than buying more ‘bridge to total freedom’ and you will be a much happier person.

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    • Can you teach me origami so I can learn how to fold up certificates into butterflies? Cuz that would be bitchin’.

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    • Heh – we get at least 200 – 2000 Clears a day on the internet. The Clear Cognition is FREE.
      You are mocking up your own reactive mind but can control it. A little bonus for you Pre-Clears out there wanting to Go Clear.
      Now get up to a rooftop at sunset and draw a picture.
      Walla – You are CLEAR.
      Stay tuned for the “Wall of Fire”
      A fella by the name of Xenu….

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    • What if “Clear” is simplified to no regrets about the past and the belief that nothing in the past can affect you negatively in the present? It’s a subjective reality and if you ha a big floating needle at that time go and “attest”. I only say this because some exes mention “I didn’t get to Clear.” with seemingly some regret. It’s only a status symbol within scn itself. I didn’t “go OT” – Aw shucks – Not – lol

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    • Ms. B. Haven gave us:
      “Nit-picky but significant correction here. Harlem Ideal Org claims to have made 40 ‘clears’ when in fact they have only made 40 oversized & gaudy ‘clear’ certificates. Since the earliest days back in the late 40’s when Hubbard was supposedly conducting his now missing research there have been NO ‘clears’ made by Hubbard or anyone else in the cult. There are no ‘clears’ and no ‘OTs’, only these worthless* certificates that declare the state of ‘clear’ and ‘OT’. This has been a very successful long con and remains so to this day.”

      I’m in full agreement even though I attested to ‘clear’ 40 years ago at Flag. Whatever I attained, it wasn’t stable and I soon CRASHED; lower than I’d ever been high. Since then, I can’t point to a single element of scn that has helped me in real life while I have found dozens of things that impeded my abilities or happiness. Worst thing I can place: ‘Study tech’. Instead of improving study skills, it degraded them, making me LESS certain that I understood what I’d just read, which is EXACTLY what Tubby intended with his ‘star-rated’ checkouts that concentrated on tripping the students up, not ensuring they understood the material.

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  19. But since the real purpose of scamatology is to make money, not clears, my bet is they are being successful at that.

    Wonder how much the average clear has spent by the time he attains that lofty, but impossible title?

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      • Plus their family, friends, their home and any valuable that can be turned into cash. Oh, not forgetting, sanity.

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    • smorbie – Above I’m guessing that 200 hours of auditing at $200/hour which is $40,000 plus $10,000 more for mandatory donations and “incidentals” buys you up the processing side of the bridge to some sort of realization about letting go of the past or “I mocked it all up.” Part of that would be a tax deduction.

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    • It used to be you were encouraged to coaudit your way to Clear. Now they discourage that and reg you for professional auditing of Grades and NED. All for the money.

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      • I co-audited my way to Clear at the class 5 Org but then when I went to FLAG tolto get on my OT levels….Flag told me (after they had a huge sum of money they got out of me to secure my Bridge for my OT levels and had me sign lawyered up contracts stating they can keep my money cuz they are a “religion”) I had to re do my Bridge at Flag cuz it was the Mecca.
        Scientology is nothing but a SCAM!

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      • for never ins – NED=New Era Dianetics
        It addresses negative attitudes, emotions, sensations and pains
        It’s metered auditing and consists of 11 or 12 questions and commands.
        For example “Locate an incident of……whatever. When was it? Etc.
        For a newbie in scn there is nothing too mystical about this. The space opera comes later, or at least it did in the 1970s. Apparently DM requires current scios to read and accept a lot of it early on.

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  20. If orgs are relying on internal staff for completions, that also says a lot about the state of things – it starts to resemble a pyramid scheme, where most of the goods and services are actually just sold to insiders. Though at least the long-neglected staff, often mislead to expect they would get training in part as recompense for low pay, and then consistently disappointed, may be getting some attention if only out of Scientology’s desperation.

    Harlem is an org that theoretically should be benefiting from the improving fortunes of the surrounding neighborhood. But that sort of savvy and well-off demographic, is just what Scientology is utterly unable to capture in the 21st century.

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  21. Ms. Jones, being a staff HGC auditor probably got her ‘training’ for free. So no paid auditor hours in her folder. At this rate, every staff person at the Harlem mOrg will be OT 8 any day now.

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    • Any day now? Gosh, can I get a chair to watch how fast that happens? That would be keen!

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  23. I think I know that lady. I think she once came to my place and tried to tell me about Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    I wonder if she got tired of them and switched to the scam instead?

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    • Yep. They come to my door too. Always nice, though. They don’t know that they’re in a cult. And with no transfusion of blood…They die. And they do this voluntarily.

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      • Aw, come on, dude, we don’t automatically die just because we refuse blood transfusions. There have been great strides in bloodless surges and other bloodless life saving treatments that we accept. Also, no risk of getting AIDS, although that’s not the reason we don’t accept them, it’s just a plus.

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        • ACTUALLY ilea, MANY have died because of those beliefs. Each to his own though. There are many situation where you get a REAL blood transfusion or you die. If suicide is part of your religious beliefs then that’s your right.

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          • In the past, yes, Jehovah’s Winesses have died because of refusing blood transfusions. In those days, doctors would pressure Jehovah’s Witnesses to accept blood. They’d sometimes refuse to treat us any other way, even if another way was available. They’d often take these very ill patients to court, including children, to try to force the issue. Some doctors will still do that, but the majority now r willing to look at, implement the alternatives, thus more lives are being saved. But even if there is no other way, we will not take blood. It’s not suicide, as we believe in a resurrection of the dead. Look at it this way for a moment, please. Let’s say a patient has cancer, it is a very serious form, and the doctor wants to do surgery, then chemo and radiation after. The patient agrees to the surgery, but not the chemo and radiation, opting for something else that won’t make them so sick. The doctor complies. Eventually, the cancer returns, and the doctor says they must do radiation and chemo or the patient will die, but the patient refuses, wanting instead to just let it happen quickly, and sparing themselves a long drawn out process that may not achieve the results the doctors are predicting. So, they die. Now, this scenario is becoming rather common today. Are these people committing suicide? Is it just because it’s for religious reasons that you and others are against our practice of not excepting blood transfusions? I know I will probably get yelled at by somebody (or several somebodies) for this comment, but I wanted to try to explain our position one more time, as this seems to be the main topic when Jehovah’s Witnesses are brought up. Thank you for your time.

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            • Hi ilea,
              It’s good to see people are having a discussion rather than abuse flying back when questions are asked or things being brought up.
              You’re post caught my attention because within the last few days I read about a woman who had passed away from breast cancer after choosing to go vegan instead of getting traditional treatment. She could’ve lived for many more years if she’d gotten the traditional treatment but instead has left behind a husband and child, only aged 4 or 5.
              I find it very sad for them but also very selfish for her to leave behind a child so young to grow up without a Mum. As a parent I would do anything within my power to be around for my kids as long as possible.
              My point is that as you can see this story has nothing to do with religious beliefs and I still don’t agree with it.
              Thank you for trying to explain your position but also try to understand others in the sense that we don’t all disagree purely for the fact you’re doing it for religious reasons.

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            • ilea, you are just stupid if you think that taking a blood transfusion that WILL 100% save your life and is painless is equal to taking painful chemo and radiation treatments that are many times unsuccessful.

              An adult can of course choose to die over a belief they have about a life saving blood transfusion but, if you deny a child life saving blood transfusion you are a criminal who needs to be hanged.

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              • The name calling is unnecessary. Transfusions do not save lives 100% of the time. Irregardless, we refuse them because the Bible says the Jehovah God doesn’t want humans taking in blood, whether human or animal. And as regards your comment on children, the law here disagrees with you. Would you want a doctor to take away your right to decide for your child on a course of treatment? The point i’ve been trying to make is a lot of people here seem to think that refusing blood transfusions is an automatic death sentence. It isn’t. Look up the successes of bloodless surgeries, ulternative treatments for yourselves, please.

      • Ever noticed that anyone that comes to your front door always wants something?
        It seems odd that Scios never knock on doors cold. I’d sure like DM to knock on my door…

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