Interesting!

“…to put on a show for the Whales, and to provide recruits for the Sea Org -”

So, regular, non-whale public Scientologists DO have their uses in orgs nowadays! And there ARE still specific purposes for their presence in HGCs and courserooms!

And here I thought COB didn’t need them or want them or care about them at all any more!

Thanks for genning me in, Peacemaker.

I’ve been unfair to him, I misspoke, and I now owe DM a sincere apology for these bad assumptions of mine!

I’ll get right on that 🙂

“….he was subject to oversight he couldn’t withstand, and would have had to share some of his ill-gotten gain with the government he despised.”

He didn’t “despise” the government. He just pretended to. It was an act, like everything else about him and Scientology. Hubbard came out of ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence). Obviously he never actually left Intelligence. Scientology was a project they assigned to him. It was a creation of the Intelligence communities and is still run by them today, with Miscavige being their top agent. If you look into this it’s pretty easy to connect the dots.

Aqua, I think DM needs “public” to put on a show for the “whales,” plus to provide recruits for the Sea Org – but otherwise you may be right that he doesn’t consider them important. I wonder if he even looks down on them as sort of “degraded beings” who haven’t succeeded the way the rich “whales” have – which I think would ultimately fit with how Hubbard viewed the “little people.”

I think Miscavige has figured out that he doesn’t need public any more, really. He needs Sea Org slaves and skeleton crew Cl V org staff to man up in a minimal way the CL V orgs but except for show right before the ribbon cutting of some new Ideal Morgue he doesn’t need much Cl V org staff. They’re not auditing people they’re not training people in these orgs, after all. And of course he needs his Whales who give him the huge straight donos. So to recap: he needs SO slaves, minimal CL V staff, and his deep pocket Whales. But ordinary public? In the Academies, public course rooms and HGCs? They’ve dwindled a lot and will continue to dwindle, and since the Cult’s name is mud they won’t be replaced and he knows that doesn’t care. He doesn’t need much public, for his ACTUAL purposes and plans. Indeed, floods of new public would be a huge problem for him. Lots of new public are exactly what he doesn’t need or want and would screw up his actual agenda. That’s my 2 cents.

Cayden, I think realistic figures would be around 1:4. But then it could be 1:2 if local staff were added to Sea Org numbers, for total employee to “public” numbers – still a bizarrely high level of overhead.

Figuring that Scientology was probably once something like 4 times the size it is now, but likely never had more than 2 times the number of Sea Org it currently does, there would have been a time when the proportion was lower – but not all that much so. And going back decades to that point in time, there are reports of huge staffs at orgs and missions, so the total employee to member ratio may still have been something like 1:3.

Those are my best estimates, anyway, having seen a lot of information over time. If anyone thinks they are significantly off, I’d be interested to hear.

I so very CLEARLY saw what you did there, Phillip!

ONLY increased by 150? BTW, I doubt any of my old —REALLY old friends, now —are still “in” the cult of DM. They’d be in their 70s and 80s these days, and scientologists aren’t known for longevity. Quite the reverse if they’re still allowing themselves to be abused like has been “normal” since the early days.

No need to check, Denny. Robin DID say all those “Holy” things, which was one of the things that can never be unheard, they were SO Hokey, even then

It’s not just the currently ailing Sea Org inmates. Back when we were young, capable, and durable, the tasks we were were given to do produced nothing towards the stated goals for the most part. Even the front-line auditors couldn’t make many ‘clears’ and releases as the ‘tech’ just didn’t work towards that end; just further enslavement through hypnosis. It’s the way he designed things to work. scientology itself produces only negative results;

At least Davey-Boy is honest enough to have stopped *trying* to deliver a product other than money directly into his coffers. He makes no false promises other than him being superior to LRH, OT levels above VII existing and that ANYone will be able to do them —eventually, after he stops moving the goalposts, the impossible tasks are completed and and he cobbles something up to “discover” in old Hubbard notes.

The reason scientology is so expensive is because the big man decided it was only as worthwhile as it was expensive to the masses. He wanted ALL the MONEY for hisself and his pet projects, I figure; not that he had the skill set to effectively manage ANY money he was given: He bankrupted the early dianutics foundations, so had to start the NEW scam: scientology, which was set up to vaguely look kinda religion-like, if you squinted hard enough. Without the “religious” tax exemption, he was subject to oversight he couldn’t withstand, and would have had to share some of his ill-gotten gain with the government he despised.