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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2022 15:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-doctors-not-a-fan/#comment-484028&quot;&gt;sara finning&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Sara. Yes, Gene Denk was with him -- after a stroke or two and pancreatitis and whatever other ailments had not been cured by NOTs and he was in constant pain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-doctors-not-a-fan/#comment-484028">sara finning</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Sara. Yes, Gene Denk was with him &#8212; after a stroke or two and pancreatitis and whatever other ailments had not been cured by NOTs and he was in constant pain.</p>
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		By: sara finning		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2022 14:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[and yet Hubbard at the end of his life had a personal physician.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yet Hubbard at the end of his life had a personal physician.</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2022 03:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The main reason he didn&#039;t like doctors I expect is that they worked out pretty quickly that he was a shameless malingering utterly lazy hypochondriac.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main reason he didn&#8217;t like doctors I expect is that they worked out pretty quickly that he was a shameless malingering utterly lazy hypochondriac.</p>
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		By: otherles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 20:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-doctors-not-a-fan/#comment-483934&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Which may be the source of Hubbard&#039;s confusion. But Hubbard should have known better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-doctors-not-a-fan/#comment-483934">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Which may be the source of Hubbard&#8217;s confusion. But Hubbard should have known better.</p>
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		By: ExScnStaff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 19:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[* Although they deny it, the Rockefellers also own 

Don&#039;t think it ever really struck me before that not only was LRH experiencing and expressing paranoia at times, but he also straight up drank from the conspiracy theorist fruit punch.  This, and another one where he hints at the notion there&#039;s a small hidden group of wealthy running things.

As for the rest, I suspect Hubs with his failure to even have a single college semester with respectable grades was dreadfully jealous and petty in his expression of that toward anyone society clearly respected or who showed true genius.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* Although they deny it, the Rockefellers also own </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think it ever really struck me before that not only was LRH experiencing and expressing paranoia at times, but he also straight up drank from the conspiracy theorist fruit punch.  This, and another one where he hints at the notion there&#8217;s a small hidden group of wealthy running things.</p>
<p>As for the rest, I suspect Hubs with his failure to even have a single college semester with respectable grades was dreadfully jealous and petty in his expression of that toward anyone society clearly respected or who showed true genius.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 17:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-doctors-not-a-fan/#comment-483909&quot;&gt;otherles&lt;/a&gt;.

Les, in Germany it&#039;s very common for people with any sort of doctoral-level degree, including in law (which in that country&#039;s system, is often a professional path to business rather than legal practice), to use the title of &quot;Dr.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-doctors-not-a-fan/#comment-483909">otherles</a>.</p>
<p>Les, in Germany it&#8217;s very common for people with any sort of doctoral-level degree, including in law (which in that country&#8217;s system, is often a professional path to business rather than legal practice), to use the title of &#8220;Dr.&#8221;</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 17:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Medicine was still modernizing back then - but Hubbard just repeated the mistakes of relying on theory and anecdotal evidence, as if somehow it was justified because he thought his theories were better (and Dianetics&#039; costs were lower, though in the long run that turned out not to be true, either).  The same applies to psychiatry and psychology.

The medical (and mental health) professions continued getting more rigorous, and developing better technology including pharmacology, while Hubbard remained mired in an approach that had its roots in the era of bloodletting as a cure-all (which lingered into the early 20th century).  He also became just the sort of greedy charlatan he railed against, in what in retrospect seems like some perverse sort of projection.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medicine was still modernizing back then &#8211; but Hubbard just repeated the mistakes of relying on theory and anecdotal evidence, as if somehow it was justified because he thought his theories were better (and Dianetics&#8217; costs were lower, though in the long run that turned out not to be true, either).  The same applies to psychiatry and psychology.</p>
<p>The medical (and mental health) professions continued getting more rigorous, and developing better technology including pharmacology, while Hubbard remained mired in an approach that had its roots in the era of bloodletting as a cure-all (which lingered into the early 20th century).  He also became just the sort of greedy charlatan he railed against, in what in retrospect seems like some perverse sort of projection.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 15:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s worse than sad that scientology promotes NOT using evidence-based medicine, dooming its followers to increased pain and discomfort throughout their shortened and more brutal lives.  And then the scns compound the problems by milking their followers dry. Of funds, of energy, and of hope.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worse than sad that scientology promotes NOT using evidence-based medicine, dooming its followers to increased pain and discomfort throughout their shortened and more brutal lives.  And then the scns compound the problems by milking their followers dry. Of funds, of energy, and of hope.</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 15:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Mike. 

This stuff goes in deep in the mindset, insidious seagrass mistrust that lingers past cult involvement.

Strewn throughout Hubbard&#039;s works, he refers to medical professionals only ever in derisive terms. 

Medicos, quacks, snake oil salesman, charlatans, etc.  He used every opportunity to negate science and flaunt his smug nonsense.

On any rare occasion otherwise, you can bet the gist of his story is how the benevolent wise LRH triumphed or saved the day, got the big bow at the end.

******

Realizing SCN is a bullshit cult is one thing.  Peeling LRH tek falsehoods out of one&#039;s mind and lexicon is a top layer.

 The insidious stuff includes this mistrust.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mike. </p>
<p>This stuff goes in deep in the mindset, insidious seagrass mistrust that lingers past cult involvement.</p>
<p>Strewn throughout Hubbard&#8217;s works, he refers to medical professionals only ever in derisive terms. </p>
<p>Medicos, quacks, snake oil salesman, charlatans, etc.  He used every opportunity to negate science and flaunt his smug nonsense.</p>
<p>On any rare occasion otherwise, you can bet the gist of his story is how the benevolent wise LRH triumphed or saved the day, got the big bow at the end.</p>
<p>******</p>
<p>Realizing SCN is a bullshit cult is one thing.  Peeling LRH tek falsehoods out of one&#8217;s mind and lexicon is a top layer.</p>
<p> The insidious stuff includes this mistrust.</p>
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		By: Ms. B. Haven		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 13:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hubbard claimed that all sorts of ailments could be cured because they were psychosomatic ailments. But, if someone gets some auditing to cure their particular ailment, it doesn&#039;t work. If they were to complain about the lack of results, they are told that the reason the auditing didn&#039;t work is because they have &#039;hidden standards&#039;. The cult will gladly sign you up for even more auditing to address your &#039;hidden standards&#039; but your ailments will never be cured. Just look at all of the &#039;OTs&#039; who are wearing glasses and dying of cancer and have regular flair ups of their favorite flavor of lumbosis. The con rolls on...

This is not to say that the medical profession provides perfect results, but in my experience with my various ailments, they have done a decent job and no doctor has accused me of having &#039;hidden standards&#039; and then gone on to charge me more money for some lame assed placebo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubbard claimed that all sorts of ailments could be cured because they were psychosomatic ailments. But, if someone gets some auditing to cure their particular ailment, it doesn&#8217;t work. If they were to complain about the lack of results, they are told that the reason the auditing didn&#8217;t work is because they have &#8216;hidden standards&#8217;. The cult will gladly sign you up for even more auditing to address your &#8216;hidden standards&#8217; but your ailments will never be cured. Just look at all of the &#8216;OTs&#8217; who are wearing glasses and dying of cancer and have regular flair ups of their favorite flavor of lumbosis. The con rolls on&#8230;</p>
<p>This is not to say that the medical profession provides perfect results, but in my experience with my various ailments, they have done a decent job and no doctor has accused me of having &#8216;hidden standards&#8217; and then gone on to charge me more money for some lame assed placebo.</p>
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