Unfortunately, my son is still very much in and I wish my friend’s son would talk to Sammy about it but he wants to hold onto his friends and not speak out. But it does give me some hope.

The idea of being physically trapped on board that ship with no way to escape the regging and other insanity gives me chills.

I know that was the beginning of the end for you and I’m glad since you’d already done VIII already. What a scam

Not to be confused with buggary.

I tried to reply to Mary but there was no reply button, so Mary I hope you see this. This is great news that a friend of your son’s is out. What does he say about how things are in the bubble nowadays? And did he give you news of your son? That does give me hope too if a friend of your son is out. Hang in there.

To Cindy, and Mary in this exchange: Every person still in Scientology should see this account of the person arriving to the Freewinds, all set after an arduous and expensive journey in Scientology, only to be put through what you describe here. It is crazy yet I know what you depict is true because—for any of us who were once in—we have our own variations on the above. These from you and Mary stand out, just like tales from the Int Base, because Scientologists assume the Freewinds and anything connected to OT 8 is nirvana, perfection, you are dining on cheesecake and butterscotch without the calories, etc.

An important chunk that fell into place that got me to leave was this idea: If covert hostility is real, the staff members in this group are sitting in SO MUCH covertness, it is hidden as well FROM THEM. For any crew member on the Freewinds connected to what you describe, and what Mary discusses of her experiences—they cannot even see (I don’t think) how hostile they are. Their hostility and the hostility of their actions are not seen by them. It is like a whole ‘nother level of COVERT, is what occurred to me.

That revelation gave me a deeply creeped out feeling like a horror movie. Further light was now in view, and I was soon to get out.

We can only hope that people who are on the fence are here reading and learning the truth of what goes on. Thank you, and thank you to Mike for maintaining this blog and inspiring these exchanges.

Yes. I understand. I truly don’t care about the friends I lost. But my son. 😞
I truly hope and pray you and I get our kids back.
Just recently found out about a good friend of my son’s who’s out. Gives me hope.

Noodle Fleeting, you are so right. Yes, they all turn into robots eventually, having to have orders to act. LRH wrote a reference about Robots and SP’s and how being around an SP for so long, you turn into a robot who has to have orders in order to do anything because they are PTS to the SP. Well maybe instead of picking on your mom and dad, you could spot the real SP: David Miscavige.

Thanks Mary. Doing well only missing my disconnected kids always.

And about my former friend (she disconnected too): In spite of all the betrayals, she is still drinking the Kool Aid. When she got back from OT VIII, I asked her how OT VIII was. She said, unenthusiastically, “Oh it was all right.” And then she caught herself that she had sounded disappointed in it. She straightened up and said, Oh, I mean it was so super and you have to do it and and and, gushing all the way. She was a bad actress. Her first response was the real one, that it had been a disappointment.

PeaceMaker, Right you are! Mary Elizabeth is 67 years old or older. This pic is old or has lots of filters on it or both. She does have smoker’s wrinkles.

Literally, yes 🙂 But Scientologically speaking it means maintaining an intention to be, do or have something. Not wavering or being thrown off once one has an intention of some sort, however major or minor the intention; being able to persist on a given course in some way.