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		By: Foolproof		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66960</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66851&quot;&gt;Friend&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Clearing the planet&quot; never meant clearing every human being on it. There is an LRH reference on this somewhere but as far as I recall it, it meant reaching a critical mass (sic) of sorts, to where the whole game was tipped in Scientology&#039;s favor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66851">Friend</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Clearing the planet&#8221; never meant clearing every human being on it. There is an LRH reference on this somewhere but as far as I recall it, it meant reaching a critical mass (sic) of sorts, to where the whole game was tipped in Scientology&#8217;s favor.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66942</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2014 20:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66936&quot;&gt;LRHBT&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t think any Scientologist begrudges him any of his money. DM however is another matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66936">LRHBT</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think any Scientologist begrudges him any of his money. DM however is another matter.</p>
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		By: LRHBT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2014 19:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66847&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Hallie,
remember the other triangle? K-R-C  (Knowledge - Responsibility - Control)
Perhaps it&#039;s now the duty of those OUT to handle those IN... who knows.  ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66847">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Hallie,<br />
remember the other triangle? K-R-C  (Knowledge &#8211; Responsibility &#8211; Control)<br />
Perhaps it&#8217;s now the duty of those OUT to handle those IN&#8230; who knows.  😉</p>
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		By: LRHBT		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66939</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2014 19:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66804&quot;&gt;Valerie&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Valerie,

let&#039;s assume you want to keep the Copyright for a piece of work BEYOND the legal lenght.
What do you do?

1. You set up an entity, that goes by the NAME of the original author or is pretty close to it.

    L. Ron Hubbard  (Human)   L. Ron Hubbard Library (LEGAL entitiy!! NOT HUMAN!)

    As LRH described in the Data Series, people are inclined to rather justify an OUTPOINT
    than to take a closer look and make their ASSUMPTIONS a FACT!
    Sort of lazy thinking...  ;-)  [similarities are not similar]

2. You get some legal advice, on how much you have to change an original work, that it
    can be considered a NEW WORK entitled for a NEW Copyright! 

    That&#039;s the SEMICOLON corrections, wrong page sequences, &quot;newly found&quot; data.  ;-)

3. Then you set up a worldwide translation unit (TU) and let everyone who works on the
    re-translating of the old books etc, sign a document, that basically says, that they have
    NO rights whatsoever on what they have just &#039;created&#039; by translating it etc.

4. You ensure, that all your newly created works, are being transfered to the entitiy of #1

5. You write a nice introduction about the author and PUT SOME LEGALY interessting stuff
    there as well, so that you don&#039;t have all the liabilities of having to prove something 
    or are obliged to deliver a certain product/quality/result etc.
    
    I.e. one simply states that the OT III story is the writing of &quot;some author&quot;... Ohhh!
    Nice way of getting AROUND of having to take ANY responsibility for a certain piece of work.

6. Get your sales department convinced, that their customers MUST BE BROUGHT TO THE
    UNDERSTANDING, that this version of the work is now FINALLY FINALLY the right one, as the
    author originally intended. And tell them, it is EXACTLY as being there with the author!!

7. Set up a BIIIIIG launching event with A LOOOOT of bumm, bang, hipp hipp, blablablablabla...
    Tell them for example they have removed 49.73.682 dust particles from original film.
    Tell them for example they have removed 529 cracks from the original film.
    Tell them what an a$$hole that camer man was, when he doze off!
    Tell them how many Terrabytes of hightech network storage and IPS and FIPS and ZIPS
     have been used as well!
    Show them even a photo of the State-of-the-Art Computerroom (but don&#039;t show too many faces 
    of those overworked slaves - rather the backs....)

8. I-M-P-O-R-T-A-N-T !!!!

    DO NOT TELL THE PAYING PUBLIC WHAT YOU HAVE DELETED!!!!

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnYGSwbHBTQ

    Let them figure it out for themselves...  that&#039;s a wonderful mystery-sandwich...  ;-)
    Hint... compare:

    0:26 and 0:34 with 1:15
    

9. DON&#039;T LET THE PUBLIC   E-V-E-R   KNOW THERE EXISTS A LIVE ON STAGE OT-DEMONSTATION WITH RON!!!    
    
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=vnYGSwbHBTQ#t=124
     
    These books moved out without a single person ever touching them!!!!!
    OT = CAUSE OVER MATTER, ENERGIE SPACE AND TIME

10. Sent out troups a few weeks later to round up all &quot;old&quot;, &quot;absolutely not understandable
    incorrect&quot; versions and   B-U-R-N , T-R-A-S-H , S-H-R-E-D-D-E-R  THEM!!!!!

11. DO NOT ALLOW A COPY OF THAT OLD TRASH SOMEWHERE IN THE ORG.
     NOT EVEN IN A CLOSED ROOM IN QUAL FOR FDSing.

12. Cash in the money and... build a new state-of-the-art broadcaststation.

13. Never ever let you public know, that the newly-restored-refreshed-filmed interview 
    with your author


     I-S   N-O-T   T-H-E   S-A-M-E   A-S   T-H-E   O-R-I-G-I-N-A-L !!!


    Due to computer technology enhancements, you simply LET YOUR AUTHOR SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY!

    Notice the difference between: 
&quot;let him SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT&quot; and &quot;DELETING something he said&quot;!!!

    Not a lot! Just to get a new Copyright!

    And always tell your public, that your new released interview is the ONLY one, that EVER existed!
    ...except this one... but this b/w...    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uiuFJvPih4


PS: One more thing - don&#039;t let your public see this non-confidential piece of... OLD UNWORKABLE SH!# !
    http://www.iscientology.org/images/stories/files/ethics-repair-list.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66804">Valerie</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Valerie,</p>
<p>let&#8217;s assume you want to keep the Copyright for a piece of work BEYOND the legal lenght.<br />
What do you do?</p>
<p>1. You set up an entity, that goes by the NAME of the original author or is pretty close to it.</p>
<p>    L. Ron Hubbard  (Human)   L. Ron Hubbard Library (LEGAL entitiy!! NOT HUMAN!)</p>
<p>    As LRH described in the Data Series, people are inclined to rather justify an OUTPOINT<br />
    than to take a closer look and make their ASSUMPTIONS a FACT!<br />
    Sort of lazy thinking&#8230;  😉  [similarities are not similar]</p>
<p>2. You get some legal advice, on how much you have to change an original work, that it<br />
    can be considered a NEW WORK entitled for a NEW Copyright! </p>
<p>    That&#8217;s the SEMICOLON corrections, wrong page sequences, &#8220;newly found&#8221; data.  😉</p>
<p>3. Then you set up a worldwide translation unit (TU) and let everyone who works on the<br />
    re-translating of the old books etc, sign a document, that basically says, that they have<br />
    NO rights whatsoever on what they have just &#8216;created&#8217; by translating it etc.</p>
<p>4. You ensure, that all your newly created works, are being transfered to the entitiy of #1</p>
<p>5. You write a nice introduction about the author and PUT SOME LEGALY interessting stuff<br />
    there as well, so that you don&#8217;t have all the liabilities of having to prove something<br />
    or are obliged to deliver a certain product/quality/result etc.</p>
<p>    I.e. one simply states that the OT III story is the writing of &#8220;some author&#8221;&#8230; Ohhh!<br />
    Nice way of getting AROUND of having to take ANY responsibility for a certain piece of work.</p>
<p>6. Get your sales department convinced, that their customers MUST BE BROUGHT TO THE<br />
    UNDERSTANDING, that this version of the work is now FINALLY FINALLY the right one, as the<br />
    author originally intended. And tell them, it is EXACTLY as being there with the author!!</p>
<p>7. Set up a BIIIIIG launching event with A LOOOOT of bumm, bang, hipp hipp, blablablablabla&#8230;<br />
    Tell them for example they have removed 49.73.682 dust particles from original film.<br />
    Tell them for example they have removed 529 cracks from the original film.<br />
    Tell them what an a$$hole that camer man was, when he doze off!<br />
    Tell them how many Terrabytes of hightech network storage and IPS and FIPS and ZIPS<br />
     have been used as well!<br />
    Show them even a photo of the State-of-the-Art Computerroom (but don&#8217;t show too many faces<br />
    of those overworked slaves &#8211; rather the backs&#8230;.)</p>
<p>8. I-M-P-O-R-T-A-N-T !!!!</p>
<p>    DO NOT TELL THE PAYING PUBLIC WHAT YOU HAVE DELETED!!!!</p>
<p>       <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnYGSwbHBTQ" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnYGSwbHBTQ</a></p>
<p>    Let them figure it out for themselves&#8230;  that&#8217;s a wonderful mystery-sandwich&#8230;  😉<br />
    Hint&#8230; compare:</p>
<p>    0:26 and 0:34 with 1:15</p>
<p>9. DON&#8217;T LET THE PUBLIC   E-V-E-R   KNOW THERE EXISTS A LIVE ON STAGE OT-DEMONSTATION WITH RON!!!    </p>
<p>       <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=vnYGSwbHBTQ#t=124" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=vnYGSwbHBTQ#t=124</a></p>
<p>    These books moved out without a single person ever touching them!!!!!<br />
    OT = CAUSE OVER MATTER, ENERGIE SPACE AND TIME</p>
<p>10. Sent out troups a few weeks later to round up all &#8220;old&#8221;, &#8220;absolutely not understandable<br />
    incorrect&#8221; versions and   B-U-R-N , T-R-A-S-H , S-H-R-E-D-D-E-R  THEM!!!!!</p>
<p>11. DO NOT ALLOW A COPY OF THAT OLD TRASH SOMEWHERE IN THE ORG.<br />
     NOT EVEN IN A CLOSED ROOM IN QUAL FOR FDSing.</p>
<p>12. Cash in the money and&#8230; build a new state-of-the-art broadcaststation.</p>
<p>13. Never ever let you public know, that the newly-restored-refreshed-filmed interview<br />
    with your author</p>
<p>     I-S   N-O-T   T-H-E   S-A-M-E   A-S   T-H-E   O-R-I-G-I-N-A-L !!!</p>
<p>    Due to computer technology enhancements, you simply LET YOUR AUTHOR SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY!</p>
<p>    Notice the difference between:<br />
&#8220;let him SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT&#8221; and &#8220;DELETING something he said&#8221;!!!</p>
<p>    Not a lot! Just to get a new Copyright!</p>
<p>    And always tell your public, that your new released interview is the ONLY one, that EVER existed!<br />
    &#8230;except this one&#8230; but this b/w&#8230;    <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uiuFJvPih4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uiuFJvPih4</a></p>
<p>PS: One more thing &#8211; don&#8217;t let your public see this non-confidential piece of&#8230; OLD UNWORKABLE SH!# !<br />
    <a href="http://www.iscientology.org/images/stories/files/ethics-repair-list.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.iscientology.org/images/stories/files/ethics-repair-list.pdf</a></p>
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		By: LRHBT		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66936</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2014 18:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66793&quot;&gt;Friend&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Friend,

tks for your thoughts and comment.

When one plays a game one is expected to KNOW all the rules, correct?
Well, what game was LRH playing and per which rules did he play?

If you don&#039;t mind, ask yourself what is more important to YOU:


A) OWNING an object
or
B) HAVING the right to USE that object.


Depending on your answer, you will be either the OWNER of it - 
with your name and ALL LIABILITIES attached to it.

OR

you will play the game, as LRH and his opponents were/are playing it.
Basically using legal entities i.e. corporations, trusts etc.  (...and even churches!)


Please remember! By using LEGAL ENTITIES cleverly and correctly one can avoid
a big part of those liabilities and still be able to USE the object/etc. etc.!

That&#039;s why the tax-exemption for CST was SO important!


Everyone not being able to seperate these two things and saying:
&quot;Ohh... it all went up to LRH&quot; will be laughed at in court and thrown out - rightly.

It&#039;s not a make-wrong, but please KNOW YOUR GAME AND KNOW YOUR RULES.

So, let&#039;s take a closer look if that holds true:



Management Organizations

Principal organizations

    Church of Scientology (COS)
    Religious Technology Center (RTC)
    Church of Spiritual Technology (CST)
    Church of Scientology International (CSI)

Trademark service organizations

    Inspector General Network (IGN)
    IGN International AB
    Dianetics Centers International (DCI)
    Dianetics Foundation International (DFI)
    Hubbard Dianetics Foundation (HDF)
    WISE, Inc.

Financial trusts

    Author&#039;s Family Trust
    Church of Scientology Religious Trust (CSRT)
    Scientology International Reserves Trust (SIRT)
    Trust for Scientologists
    United States Parishioners Trust
    Flag Ship Trust (FST)
    International Publications Trust
    Scientology Defense Trust

Financial service organizations

    SOR Services Ltd.
    Nesta Investments Ltd.
    FSO Oklahoma Investments Corporation
    Theta Management Ltd. (TML)

Publishing houses and organizations

    Golden Era Productions
    Author Services Inc. (ASI)
    Bridge Publications Inc. (BPI)
    New Era Publications ApS
    Scientology Publications Ltd.

Secular and social management entities

    Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE)
    Applied Scholastics
    Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)
    Criminon International
    Narconon International
    The Way to Happiness Foundation International
    World Institute of Scientology Enterprises (WISE)

Other management organizations

    Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre International (CC Int.)
    International Hubbard Ecclesiastical League of Pastors (IHELP)
    Scientology Missions International (SMI)
    Sea Organization (Sea Org)

Service organizations

    Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization
    Church of Scientology Flag Ship Service Organization
    Church of Scientology Western United States
    Church of Scientology Advanced Organization Saint Hill Europe &#038; Africa
    Church of Scientology Religious Education College, Inc.
    Church of Scientology, Inc.

Membership organizations

Unincorporated associations

    International Association of Scientologists (IAS)
    Hubbard Association of Scientologists International (HASI)

Membership service organizations

    International Association of Scientologists Administrations, N.V. (IASA)
    Membership Services Administrations (UK) Ltd. (MSA)




And the list isn&#039;t even complete! 
Remember those Churces?

&quot;Church of Scientology of California&quot; (CSC)
&quot;Church of American Science&quot;
&quot;Church of Spiritual Engineering&quot;


Bye.
PS: YES THERE WERE OUT-ETHICS MONEY-SITUATIONS LRH WAS INVOLVED WITH. Period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66793">Friend</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Friend,</p>
<p>tks for your thoughts and comment.</p>
<p>When one plays a game one is expected to KNOW all the rules, correct?<br />
Well, what game was LRH playing and per which rules did he play?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t mind, ask yourself what is more important to YOU:</p>
<p>A) OWNING an object<br />
or<br />
B) HAVING the right to USE that object.</p>
<p>Depending on your answer, you will be either the OWNER of it &#8211;<br />
with your name and ALL LIABILITIES attached to it.</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>you will play the game, as LRH and his opponents were/are playing it.<br />
Basically using legal entities i.e. corporations, trusts etc.  (&#8230;and even churches!)</p>
<p>Please remember! By using LEGAL ENTITIES cleverly and correctly one can avoid<br />
a big part of those liabilities and still be able to USE the object/etc. etc.!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the tax-exemption for CST was SO important!</p>
<p>Everyone not being able to seperate these two things and saying:<br />
&#8220;Ohh&#8230; it all went up to LRH&#8221; will be laughed at in court and thrown out &#8211; rightly.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a make-wrong, but please KNOW YOUR GAME AND KNOW YOUR RULES.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s take a closer look if that holds true:</p>
<p>Management Organizations</p>
<p>Principal organizations</p>
<p>    Church of Scientology (COS)<br />
    Religious Technology Center (RTC)<br />
    Church of Spiritual Technology (CST)<br />
    Church of Scientology International (CSI)</p>
<p>Trademark service organizations</p>
<p>    Inspector General Network (IGN)<br />
    IGN International AB<br />
    Dianetics Centers International (DCI)<br />
    Dianetics Foundation International (DFI)<br />
    Hubbard Dianetics Foundation (HDF)<br />
    WISE, Inc.</p>
<p>Financial trusts</p>
<p>    Author&#8217;s Family Trust<br />
    Church of Scientology Religious Trust (CSRT)<br />
    Scientology International Reserves Trust (SIRT)<br />
    Trust for Scientologists<br />
    United States Parishioners Trust<br />
    Flag Ship Trust (FST)<br />
    International Publications Trust<br />
    Scientology Defense Trust</p>
<p>Financial service organizations</p>
<p>    SOR Services Ltd.<br />
    Nesta Investments Ltd.<br />
    FSO Oklahoma Investments Corporation<br />
    Theta Management Ltd. (TML)</p>
<p>Publishing houses and organizations</p>
<p>    Golden Era Productions<br />
    Author Services Inc. (ASI)<br />
    Bridge Publications Inc. (BPI)<br />
    New Era Publications ApS<br />
    Scientology Publications Ltd.</p>
<p>Secular and social management entities</p>
<p>    Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE)<br />
    Applied Scholastics<br />
    Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)<br />
    Criminon International<br />
    Narconon International<br />
    The Way to Happiness Foundation International<br />
    World Institute of Scientology Enterprises (WISE)</p>
<p>Other management organizations</p>
<p>    Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre International (CC Int.)<br />
    International Hubbard Ecclesiastical League of Pastors (IHELP)<br />
    Scientology Missions International (SMI)<br />
    Sea Organization (Sea Org)</p>
<p>Service organizations</p>
<p>    Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization<br />
    Church of Scientology Flag Ship Service Organization<br />
    Church of Scientology Western United States<br />
    Church of Scientology Advanced Organization Saint Hill Europe &amp; Africa<br />
    Church of Scientology Religious Education College, Inc.<br />
    Church of Scientology, Inc.</p>
<p>Membership organizations</p>
<p>Unincorporated associations</p>
<p>    International Association of Scientologists (IAS)<br />
    Hubbard Association of Scientologists International (HASI)</p>
<p>Membership service organizations</p>
<p>    International Association of Scientologists Administrations, N.V. (IASA)<br />
    Membership Services Administrations (UK) Ltd. (MSA)</p>
<p>And the list isn&#8217;t even complete!<br />
Remember those Churces?</p>
<p>&#8220;Church of Scientology of California&#8221; (CSC)<br />
&#8220;Church of American Science&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Church of Spiritual Engineering&#8221;</p>
<p>Bye.<br />
PS: YES THERE WERE OUT-ETHICS MONEY-SITUATIONS LRH WAS INVOLVED WITH. Period.</p>
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		By: LRHBT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LRHBT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66828&quot;&gt;gato rojo&lt;/a&gt;.

Gato Rojo,
Very Well Done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66828">gato rojo</a>.</p>
<p>Gato Rojo,<br />
Very Well Done.</p>
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		By: G. Stoffel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G. Stoffel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2014 15:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66909&quot;&gt;G. Stoffel&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike, you are right.
Sorry... 

But looking at all that idiocy going on around DM right now - doesn&#039;t this clip depicts it best?

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=PNcDI_uBGUo#t=40]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66909">G. Stoffel</a>.</p>
<p>Mike, you are right.<br />
Sorry&#8230; </p>
<p>But looking at all that idiocy going on around DM right now &#8211; doesn&#8217;t this clip depicts it best?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=PNcDI_uBGUo#t=40" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=PNcDI_uBGUo#t=40</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66895&quot;&gt;knatherthomas&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The IAS has been a shakedown from the beginning.&quot; ....

Oh god no kidding, I recall DREADING the end of course time where we had to sit and listen to some schmuck from the IAS ramble on about THE WAR. Keeping students feeling trapped AFTER THE END of course time confined in a room (if nothing but by peer pressure) is so NOT spiritual. But people put up with because otherwise they would get nailed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66895">knatherthomas</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The IAS has been a shakedown from the beginning.&#8221; &#8230;.</p>
<p>Oh god no kidding, I recall DREADING the end of course time where we had to sit and listen to some schmuck from the IAS ramble on about THE WAR. Keeping students feeling trapped AFTER THE END of course time confined in a room (if nothing but by peer pressure) is so NOT spiritual. But people put up with because otherwise they would get nailed.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66909&quot;&gt;G. Stoffel&lt;/a&gt;.

An all time classic, though a little light-hearted for the serious business of the IAS....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66909">G. Stoffel</a>.</p>
<p>An all time classic, though a little light-hearted for the serious business of the IAS&#8230;.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66803&quot;&gt;Gerhard Waterkamp&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Gerhard,

would knowing this data have helped you on YOUR OWN WAY TO YOUR TRUTH?

L Ron Hubbard’s words from the lecture Overt Acts, Motivators and Deds (lecture #8) Technique 88 Lectures 25 June 1952:

&quot;...
When you speak of the creator, and you’re probably speaking of something entirely different than implanted religion. 
Religion is always different than truth. 
It has to be. 
Because the only way you can control a people is to lie to them. 
And you can write that down in your book there-very big letters. 
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL ANYBODY IS TO LIE TO THEM   -   L-I-E   T-O   T-H-E-M.

All right, now look. 

When you find an individual is lying to you, you know that the individual is trying to control you. You can put that down.
One way or the other, this individual is trying to control you.
That’s a mechanism of control.
The individual is lying to you, so they’re trying to control you.
Because if they give you enough misinformation they’ll throw you far enough down the Tone Scale so they can control you.

Conversely, if you see an impulse on the part of a human being to control you, you know very well that that human being is lying to you. 

Not is just going to-but IS lying to you.

Check up the facts, you’ll find out they’re always true.
That person is trying to control you, he’s lying to you. 
He’s got to tell you lies, in order to continue to control, because the second you start telling anybody anything close to truth, you start releasing him, and he gets tougher and tougher to control.  
So you can’t control somebody, without telling them a bunch of fibs. 

You’ll find that command has this very often as its greatest weakness. 
It’ll try to control instead of lead.
And the next thing you know, it’s lying to the crew, lying to the crew lie, lie, lie, lie,lie. 
And it gets worse and worse, then all of a sudden the thing blows up. 

Well religion has done this.
Organized religion, tries to control, so therefore it must be lying, and therefore it must know it’s lying-after a while it figures out that even itself knows it’s lying.
And then it starts on down the Tone Scale and gets further and further and further and people all of a sudden get down across this spring bottom and-‘Are we going into apathy and die or are we going to revolt?’ 

And they will revolt.

You can only lie to people so long.

But fortunately-unfortunately, there’s always a new cycle of lying.

As I use the word religion, it has nothing to do with God.
...&quot;

Hope that helps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-fraud/#comment-66803">Gerhard Waterkamp</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Gerhard,</p>
<p>would knowing this data have helped you on YOUR OWN WAY TO YOUR TRUTH?</p>
<p>L Ron Hubbard’s words from the lecture Overt Acts, Motivators and Deds (lecture #8) Technique 88 Lectures 25 June 1952:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;<br />
When you speak of the creator, and you’re probably speaking of something entirely different than implanted religion.<br />
Religion is always different than truth.<br />
It has to be.<br />
Because the only way you can control a people is to lie to them.<br />
And you can write that down in your book there-very big letters.<br />
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL ANYBODY IS TO LIE TO THEM   &#8211;   L-I-E   T-O   T-H-E-M.</p>
<p>All right, now look. </p>
<p>When you find an individual is lying to you, you know that the individual is trying to control you. You can put that down.<br />
One way or the other, this individual is trying to control you.<br />
That’s a mechanism of control.<br />
The individual is lying to you, so they’re trying to control you.<br />
Because if they give you enough misinformation they’ll throw you far enough down the Tone Scale so they can control you.</p>
<p>Conversely, if you see an impulse on the part of a human being to control you, you know very well that that human being is lying to you. </p>
<p>Not is just going to-but IS lying to you.</p>
<p>Check up the facts, you’ll find out they’re always true.<br />
That person is trying to control you, he’s lying to you.<br />
He’s got to tell you lies, in order to continue to control, because the second you start telling anybody anything close to truth, you start releasing him, and he gets tougher and tougher to control.<br />
So you can’t control somebody, without telling them a bunch of fibs. </p>
<p>You’ll find that command has this very often as its greatest weakness.<br />
It’ll try to control instead of lead.<br />
And the next thing you know, it’s lying to the crew, lying to the crew lie, lie, lie, lie,lie.<br />
And it gets worse and worse, then all of a sudden the thing blows up. </p>
<p>Well religion has done this.<br />
Organized religion, tries to control, so therefore it must be lying, and therefore it must know it’s lying-after a while it figures out that even itself knows it’s lying.<br />
And then it starts on down the Tone Scale and gets further and further and further and people all of a sudden get down across this spring bottom and-‘Are we going into apathy and die or are we going to revolt?’ </p>
<p>And they will revolt.</p>
<p>You can only lie to people so long.</p>
<p>But fortunately-unfortunately, there’s always a new cycle of lying.</p>
<p>As I use the word religion, it has nothing to do with God.<br />
&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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