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		By: Zenster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-89938&quot;&gt;Yossi&lt;/a&gt;.

So Tony Falcaro walked away from another wife, this time with cancer just like he did numerous times back in the NY Org in the 70&#039;s. He always was a prick and obviously still is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-89938">Yossi</a>.</p>
<p>So Tony Falcaro walked away from another wife, this time with cancer just like he did numerous times back in the NY Org in the 70&#8217;s. He always was a prick and obviously still is.</p>
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		By: Andrea Gerák		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2018 20:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-216180&quot;&gt;N. Graham&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi!
Unfortunately,  as you might know, Andrik passed away. ..

Way before (about the time of this blog post ) I contacted his wife. I had cancer 10 years ago and it hasn&#039;t returned, so I offered if I could give them a few tips of some much cheaper methods or products that have been very effective for me and for others I know. 
No response.]]></description>
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<p>Hi!<br />
Unfortunately,  as you might know, Andrik passed away. ..</p>
<p>Way before (about the time of this blog post ) I contacted his wife. I had cancer 10 years ago and it hasn&#8217;t returned, so I offered if I could give them a few tips of some much cheaper methods or products that have been very effective for me and for others I know.<br />
No response.</p>
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		By: N. Graham		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2018 02:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-89821&quot;&gt;Andrea&lt;/a&gt;.

The second one is me!]]></description>
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<p>The second one is me!</p>
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		By: Yossi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 06:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-90125&quot;&gt;Thetan Place&lt;/a&gt;.

Thetan Place! It&#039;s very much a surprise to hear about David. I knew him back in  San Francisco, my first steps in Scientology in the mission. Great entertainer, funny, girls loved him. Our roads crossed again in NYC were we hanged out a lot. He was married to Nina Winters and I stayed over their penthouse many times. I got the same  story of being &quot;cured&quot;. I also attended many of the improv. shows with Jim Meskimen and other members. Last I heard was David living with his boyfriend in Saint Pets. I did not know about the hospice in San Francisco. How sad. What a talent! Maybe we know each other from New York. You are welcome to send me a private message and will be happy to respond. Take care.]]></description>
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<p>Thetan Place! It&#8217;s very much a surprise to hear about David. I knew him back in  San Francisco, my first steps in Scientology in the mission. Great entertainer, funny, girls loved him. Our roads crossed again in NYC were we hanged out a lot. He was married to Nina Winters and I stayed over their penthouse many times. I got the same  story of being &#8220;cured&#8221;. I also attended many of the improv. shows with Jim Meskimen and other members. Last I heard was David living with his boyfriend in Saint Pets. I did not know about the hospice in San Francisco. How sad. What a talent! Maybe we know each other from New York. You are welcome to send me a private message and will be happy to respond. Take care.</p>
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		By: Thetan Place		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 02:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-89734&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

OMG, that&#039;s so sad about David. I knew him well in the 80s in NYC when he was in an all-Scientologist improv group. He claimed to me then that Scientology cured him of being gay, and I&#039;d use that as my &quot;I  know this guy....&quot; story. Very talented, funny and sweet guy.]]></description>
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<p>OMG, that&#8217;s so sad about David. I knew him well in the 80s in NYC when he was in an all-Scientologist improv group. He claimed to me then that Scientology cured him of being gay, and I&#8217;d use that as my &#8220;I  know this guy&#8230;.&#8221; story. Very talented, funny and sweet guy.</p>
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		By: Jethro Bodine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 12:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, it looks like Andres got the usual Scientology retirement plan - KTTC (Kicked To The Curb). Whether it is an &quot;upstate public&quot; like Andres or a degraded being offloaded from the Sea Org, these people:

1) Haven&#039;t paid into a 401K or IRA (Sea Org members don&#039;t even get paid minimum wage or have a health insurance plan)
2) No savings - (IAS/Idle Morgues/etc. have drained them)
3) No credit - (maxed out by the IAS)
4) No real estate portfolio - (El Wrong says the OT levels are more important)
5) No antiques, precious metals or other valuables that can be sold
6) No pension for staff
7) Very little to no social security for ex-staff due to slave labor conditions
8) A lot of Scientologists don&#039;t pay into things like long or short-term disability insurance; some don&#039;t even consider they need health insurance and would rather pay a fine than &quot;fund Big Pharma or the Psychs&quot;
9) No long-term medical insurance
10) No equity in their house because it was utilized for the OT levels
11) Any and all inheritances get redirected to IAS/Idle Morgues/etc. The Vulture Culture is hard at work.

Basically, most Scientologists due to their beliefs and practices don&#039;t adequately provide for their own retirement or their long-term medical care for when they get older. Public Scientologists are repeatedly raped financially until they are broke and heavy in debt, while ex-SO spend the majority of their lives working but not putting any money into savings, retirement accounts, investments, long-term care. In other words, Andres is responsible for his current financial situation, even though he belongs to a cult that victimizes and financially abuses its members. If one hopes to have a &quot;comfortable retirement&quot;, it is best to just leave Scientology for good and start a new life, although it&#039;s easier said than done. They way out IS the way out.

Yes, in theory, a &quot;church&quot; should take care of those people who spent their lives giving they&#039;re all to the &quot;church&quot;. But who are we kidding? $cientology is not and never has been a REAL church; it is a self-help for-profit business masquerading as a religion. &quot;FREE SERVICE EQUALS FREE FALL.&quot; Does that sound like a church or a business? &quot;SERVICE THE PUBLIC FOR ALL THEIR WORTH&quot;.&quot; Church or business?

Besides, where&#039;s the bean return on giving someone like Andres financial support for medical treatments that may or may not help him? When someone like Andres who is fairly old (mid 70s) starts getting sick and may drop the body soon, the &quot;church&quot; turns it&#039;s back on them, as they are now in the state of &quot;OLD, USELESS, OUT-PR, DISPOSABLE, PTS DEGRADED BEING&quot;. So, why reward a &quot;downstat&quot;, right? Did El Wrong ever help out anyone financially who had helped him?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like Andres got the usual Scientology retirement plan &#8211; KTTC (Kicked To The Curb). Whether it is an &#8220;upstate public&#8221; like Andres or a degraded being offloaded from the Sea Org, these people:</p>
<p>1) Haven&#8217;t paid into a 401K or IRA (Sea Org members don&#8217;t even get paid minimum wage or have a health insurance plan)<br />
2) No savings &#8211; (IAS/Idle Morgues/etc. have drained them)<br />
3) No credit &#8211; (maxed out by the IAS)<br />
4) No real estate portfolio &#8211; (El Wrong says the OT levels are more important)<br />
5) No antiques, precious metals or other valuables that can be sold<br />
6) No pension for staff<br />
7) Very little to no social security for ex-staff due to slave labor conditions<br />
8) A lot of Scientologists don&#8217;t pay into things like long or short-term disability insurance; some don&#8217;t even consider they need health insurance and would rather pay a fine than &#8220;fund Big Pharma or the Psychs&#8221;<br />
9) No long-term medical insurance<br />
10) No equity in their house because it was utilized for the OT levels<br />
11) Any and all inheritances get redirected to IAS/Idle Morgues/etc. The Vulture Culture is hard at work.</p>
<p>Basically, most Scientologists due to their beliefs and practices don&#8217;t adequately provide for their own retirement or their long-term medical care for when they get older. Public Scientologists are repeatedly raped financially until they are broke and heavy in debt, while ex-SO spend the majority of their lives working but not putting any money into savings, retirement accounts, investments, long-term care. In other words, Andres is responsible for his current financial situation, even though he belongs to a cult that victimizes and financially abuses its members. If one hopes to have a &#8220;comfortable retirement&#8221;, it is best to just leave Scientology for good and start a new life, although it&#8217;s easier said than done. They way out IS the way out.</p>
<p>Yes, in theory, a &#8220;church&#8221; should take care of those people who spent their lives giving they&#8217;re all to the &#8220;church&#8221;. But who are we kidding? $cientology is not and never has been a REAL church; it is a self-help for-profit business masquerading as a religion. &#8220;FREE SERVICE EQUALS FREE FALL.&#8221; Does that sound like a church or a business? &#8220;SERVICE THE PUBLIC FOR ALL THEIR WORTH&#8221;.&#8221; Church or business?</p>
<p>Besides, where&#8217;s the bean return on giving someone like Andres financial support for medical treatments that may or may not help him? When someone like Andres who is fairly old (mid 70s) starts getting sick and may drop the body soon, the &#8220;church&#8221; turns it&#8217;s back on them, as they are now in the state of &#8220;OLD, USELESS, OUT-PR, DISPOSABLE, PTS DEGRADED BEING&#8221;. So, why reward a &#8220;downstat&#8221;, right? Did El Wrong ever help out anyone financially who had helped him?</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 19:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-89806&quot;&gt;Lori&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Lori, Right you are.However those asbestos related illnesses are hard to explain in court as most all persons would fall asleep from mus relating to Scientology.Of course being the optimist I am I certainly feel cases of that sort can be won but it takes yrs and lots of dollars to pay your defense.Just my opinion though.I don&#039;t think Tom Cruise believes that anything such as cancer could stop a big being such as himself! XO Ann B.]]></description>
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<p>Hi Lori, Right you are.However those asbestos related illnesses are hard to explain in court as most all persons would fall asleep from mus relating to Scientology.Of course being the optimist I am I certainly feel cases of that sort can be won but it takes yrs and lots of dollars to pay your defense.Just my opinion though.I don&#8217;t think Tom Cruise believes that anything such as cancer could stop a big being such as himself! XO Ann B.</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 19:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-89877&quot;&gt;Ginger Sugerman&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Ginger, So very true your post.It is disgusting.If I got a millionaire or billionaire even better to buy auditing or training SHSBC @ Asho F I was touted as a great success being.Yes sometimes in amoung the CF files I might get an early on the bridge person to buy Dianetics but I knew what cos really wanted was the big big fish with money to burn.Even after 40+ yrs I feel the same still applies.&#038; celebrities are not held to the same conditions as SO members are disconnection etc,because they smile for the cameras &#038; say Scientology is so very beautiful.Kool Aid by the truckload.XO Ann B.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-89877">Ginger Sugerman</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Ginger, So very true your post.It is disgusting.If I got a millionaire or billionaire even better to buy auditing or training SHSBC @ Asho F I was touted as a great success being.Yes sometimes in amoung the CF files I might get an early on the bridge person to buy Dianetics but I knew what cos really wanted was the big big fish with money to burn.Even after 40+ yrs I feel the same still applies.&amp; celebrities are not held to the same conditions as SO members are disconnection etc,because they smile for the cameras &amp; say Scientology is so very beautiful.Kool Aid by the truckload.XO Ann B.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 11:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-89753&quot;&gt;CobGatYour$$&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry Bob, you&#039;re very wrong. &quot;Alternative Therapies&quot; would not be illegal if barbaric or ineffective.  There are TONS of terrible, completely ineffective practices that conmen use to take advantage of desperately ill cancer patients.  Ever hear of psychic surgeries?  At BEST these treatments are benign but even then the same money is being spent on total BS that could be better spent on either better actual scientifically valid treatments or put towards increased quality of life for someone who is dying. (Trip to Paris, month at a beach house with loved ones, professional in home care, etc...) 

There&#039;s a reason this guy must go to Hungary for this super-secret bullshit treatment. Former eastern bloc countries are known to look the other way if something is brining rich westerners into the country. The USA at least makes these &quot;alternative&quot; therapies legally go under other auspices - such as spiritual or supplemental vitamins, herbal remedies. The FDA will swoop down and if they become aware of promised cures or results of a medical nature, hence why they went after the e-meter and it had to become a &quot;religious device&quot; and come with a warning label.. , The FDA has no to little oversight if these quacks are careful with their descriptive language and if they do peddle miracle cures or results are careful not to attract to much attention to their activities.    

Obviously radiation and chemo are not 100% effective, but they save millions of lives every year because they do work and their effectiveness has been proven over and over again. I personally have seen the combination of those treatments save the lives of my family members, but it was painful and a terrible treatment to endure but they are alive today because of it.  The last I check doctors were very upfront about the effects of standard cancer treatments and the success rates - unlike the quacks who make their money selling false hope and bullshit to desperate families who should not be wasting time or money (of which they usually have very limited amounts of) on totally unproven woo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-hang-your-heads-in-shame/#comment-89753">CobGatYour$$</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry Bob, you&#8217;re very wrong. &#8220;Alternative Therapies&#8221; would not be illegal if barbaric or ineffective.  There are TONS of terrible, completely ineffective practices that conmen use to take advantage of desperately ill cancer patients.  Ever hear of psychic surgeries?  At BEST these treatments are benign but even then the same money is being spent on total BS that could be better spent on either better actual scientifically valid treatments or put towards increased quality of life for someone who is dying. (Trip to Paris, month at a beach house with loved ones, professional in home care, etc&#8230;) </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason this guy must go to Hungary for this super-secret bullshit treatment. Former eastern bloc countries are known to look the other way if something is brining rich westerners into the country. The USA at least makes these &#8220;alternative&#8221; therapies legally go under other auspices &#8211; such as spiritual or supplemental vitamins, herbal remedies. The FDA will swoop down and if they become aware of promised cures or results of a medical nature, hence why they went after the e-meter and it had to become a &#8220;religious device&#8221; and come with a warning label.. , The FDA has no to little oversight if these quacks are careful with their descriptive language and if they do peddle miracle cures or results are careful not to attract to much attention to their activities.    </p>
<p>Obviously radiation and chemo are not 100% effective, but they save millions of lives every year because they do work and their effectiveness has been proven over and over again. I personally have seen the combination of those treatments save the lives of my family members, but it was painful and a terrible treatment to endure but they are alive today because of it.  The last I check doctors were very upfront about the effects of standard cancer treatments and the success rates &#8211; unlike the quacks who make their money selling false hope and bullshit to desperate families who should not be wasting time or money (of which they usually have very limited amounts of) on totally unproven woo.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 06:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lots of great comments. Reading about Wendy is a complete shocker. I think one more person was left out. Joan Lonstein, IAS Freedom Medal winner. She got cancer shortly after returning from the ship completing OTVIII. I met Tony, her husband when I got out. He told me, she wasn&#039;t allowed back in Flag and received auditing in AOLA. According to him, they delivered to her 5 intensives of auditing, until she couldn&#039;t physically come to the AO any longer and at least 5 more from Tony, after she passed away. Tony continues to be a BIG sucker for donations till today. The degree of manipulation is stunning. When the brightest fall for it, is even worse.
It&#039;s a disgrace the Church neglects their own people without helping them in time of need.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of great comments. Reading about Wendy is a complete shocker. I think one more person was left out. Joan Lonstein, IAS Freedom Medal winner. She got cancer shortly after returning from the ship completing OTVIII. I met Tony, her husband when I got out. He told me, she wasn&#8217;t allowed back in Flag and received auditing in AOLA. According to him, they delivered to her 5 intensives of auditing, until she couldn&#8217;t physically come to the AO any longer and at least 5 more from Tony, after she passed away. Tony continues to be a BIG sucker for donations till today. The degree of manipulation is stunning. When the brightest fall for it, is even worse.<br />
It&#8217;s a disgrace the Church neglects their own people without helping them in time of need.</p>
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