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		By: Pepper		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55417</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55336&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes Foolproof, bitter would be a sane response to enduring the abuse the CoS dishes out on people.  We all have had experiences with this, some of us much worse than others.  

One thing I&#039;ve noticed is how false uptone people act all the time and it always made me a little uncomfortable being around this.  My husband returned from Flag once and told me that everyone acts super happy and uptone all the time and asked me if I thought they really were that way.    I told him no, that I didn&#039;t think they were really like that and that when the lights were off and they were lying in their beds at night they didn&#039;t have the big smiles and beaming faces.  No.  This is when people are confronted with themselves and their life.

He told me that made sense and that he wasn&#039;t feeling good about it because he didn&#039;t feel that way and was thinking that maybe something was wrong with him.  I told him he was normal!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55336">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Yes Foolproof, bitter would be a sane response to enduring the abuse the CoS dishes out on people.  We all have had experiences with this, some of us much worse than others.  </p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;ve noticed is how false uptone people act all the time and it always made me a little uncomfortable being around this.  My husband returned from Flag once and told me that everyone acts super happy and uptone all the time and asked me if I thought they really were that way.    I told him no, that I didn&#8217;t think they were really like that and that when the lights were off and they were lying in their beds at night they didn&#8217;t have the big smiles and beaming faces.  No.  This is when people are confronted with themselves and their life.</p>
<p>He told me that made sense and that he wasn&#8217;t feeling good about it because he didn&#8217;t feel that way and was thinking that maybe something was wrong with him.  I told him he was normal!</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55330&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

OMG -OSD, You are too much and got me laughing all over again.  It must take a lot of energy out of you, surfing and making people laugh that you really do need that nap.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55330">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>OMG -OSD, You are too much and got me laughing all over again.  It must take a lot of energy out of you, surfing and making people laugh that you really do need that nap.</p>
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		By: knatherthomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ASHO is a shell of its former service oriented self. What is Margie Esterman doing?! She must be so tired of the re-dos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASHO is a shell of its former service oriented self. What is Margie Esterman doing?! She must be so tired of the re-dos.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55406</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55400&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

One last thing, Anonymous, we on this blog may feel bitter at times, but one thing we are not is jealous of the CoS&#039;s stats. We vary on the tone scale in reaction to them but I don&#039;t think that anyone here harbors jealousy over what the Church of Scientology is now producing in the way of Clears, OTs and auditors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55400">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>One last thing, Anonymous, we on this blog may feel bitter at times, but one thing we are not is jealous of the CoS&#8217;s stats. We vary on the tone scale in reaction to them but I don&#8217;t think that anyone here harbors jealousy over what the Church of Scientology is now producing in the way of Clears, OTs and auditors.</p>
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		By: CIA.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CIA.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55280&quot;&gt;Hiatus57&lt;/a&gt;.

You seem to wish a distinction between shit and shinola with this &quot;standard&quot; a nd &quot;squirrel.  Are you angry, real angry at dm for squirreling the tech?   You could start at OT8 and progress to student hat and TR0--what&#039;s the difference--shit or shinola.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55280">Hiatus57</a>.</p>
<p>You seem to wish a distinction between shit and shinola with this &#8220;standard&#8221; a nd &#8220;squirrel.  Are you angry, real angry at dm for squirreling the tech?   You could start at OT8 and progress to student hat and TR0&#8211;what&#8217;s the difference&#8211;shit or shinola.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anonymous, if you&#039;re OSA, one day,  as Mike and as many of us here have done,  you will have your own cognition that your theta goals will never be reached in the Church of Scientology because it is a PTS organization run by a Suppressive.  You&#039;ll realize this and you will leave, and you&#039;ll probably end up here, when you do its very unlikely that you&#039;ll be needling Mike about anything.  

You&#039;ll be too busy building a new life for yourself,  dealing with your own losses, and otherwise confronting the isness of what has been the actual CoS scene for some time now.  Living with the truth can be difficult.  But the more truth we get the easier it is to resolve our issues, and so you&#039;ll be here and on other blogs, reading, learning, laughing, and healing.

Mike will welcome here with no grudge because that&#039;s the kind of guy he is. You&#039;re going to learn a lot from him.   If you post here, and you sound bitter sometimes, you&#039;ll be acknowledged and understood.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, if you&#8217;re OSA, one day,  as Mike and as many of us here have done,  you will have your own cognition that your theta goals will never be reached in the Church of Scientology because it is a PTS organization run by a Suppressive.  You&#8217;ll realize this and you will leave, and you&#8217;ll probably end up here, when you do its very unlikely that you&#8217;ll be needling Mike about anything.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be too busy building a new life for yourself,  dealing with your own losses, and otherwise confronting the isness of what has been the actual CoS scene for some time now.  Living with the truth can be difficult.  But the more truth we get the easier it is to resolve our issues, and so you&#8217;ll be here and on other blogs, reading, learning, laughing, and healing.</p>
<p>Mike will welcome here with no grudge because that&#8217;s the kind of guy he is. You&#8217;re going to learn a lot from him.   If you post here, and you sound bitter sometimes, you&#8217;ll be acknowledged and understood.</p>
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		By: Just Me		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55384</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s so pathetic that they revel over their silly little numbers.  I&#039;m just so glad that crap isn&#039;t central to my life anymore.  

So sad to consider how little freedom those folks now have.  They&#039;ve shrunk down and down and down until they cannot compare the gargantuan personal and financial costs and their ridiculous &quot;results.&quot;  

No one can help them.  They have to dig themselves out.  Some of them still will.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so pathetic that they revel over their silly little numbers.  I&#8217;m just so glad that crap isn&#8217;t central to my life anymore.  </p>
<p>So sad to consider how little freedom those folks now have.  They&#8217;ve shrunk down and down and down until they cannot compare the gargantuan personal and financial costs and their ridiculous &#8220;results.&#8221;  </p>
<p>No one can help them.  They have to dig themselves out.  Some of them still will.</p>
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		By: Alex Ortiz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ASHO counts all SO members on the PAC base who are retraining their tech courses. It&#039;s such a joke. A Scientology Org whose purpose is supposed to be &quot;Sell and deliver materials and service to the PUBLIC....&quot; counts all the Base&#039;s SO members in their delivery stats and then promotes it to the public as &quot;expansion&quot;. 

Typical op-basis under the stat-push regime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASHO counts all SO members on the PAC base who are retraining their tech courses. It&#8217;s such a joke. A Scientology Org whose purpose is supposed to be &#8220;Sell and deliver materials and service to the PUBLIC&#8230;.&#8221; counts all the Base&#8217;s SO members in their delivery stats and then promotes it to the public as &#8220;expansion&#8221;. </p>
<p>Typical op-basis under the stat-push regime.</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55329&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55329">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<p>Six of one, half a dozen of the other.</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55332&quot;&gt;Char&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re very welcome, Char!  Automobile tech is just fantastic!!!!!!  While driving your car and realizing that you are, in fact, driving your car, you&#039;ll finish OT 3 through OT 75 in just a few minutes.  Now, please be very careful because your powers will be immense!  You actually be able to stop at &quot;Stop Signs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&quot;  You&#039;ll be able to parallel park with your eyes closed!!!!!!!!!  You&#039;ll be able to take your foot off the gas pedal and must postulate the right speed!!!!!!!  But, that absolute best part is, you&#039;ll be able to drive perfectly while asleep in the drivers seat!!!!!!  Enjoy your wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-delusion-v-reality/#comment-55332">Char</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re very welcome, Char!  Automobile tech is just fantastic!!!!!!  While driving your car and realizing that you are, in fact, driving your car, you&#8217;ll finish OT 3 through OT 75 in just a few minutes.  Now, please be very careful because your powers will be immense!  You actually be able to stop at &#8220;Stop Signs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&#8221;  You&#8217;ll be able to parallel park with your eyes closed!!!!!!!!!  You&#8217;ll be able to take your foot off the gas pedal and must postulate the right speed!!!!!!!  But, that absolute best part is, you&#8217;ll be able to drive perfectly while asleep in the drivers seat!!!!!!  Enjoy your wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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