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		By: jglden		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184347</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184184&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your replies! I have so many more questions regarding the spectrum of ex-scientologists&#039; beliefs. I think I may ask the questions on Leah&#039;s reddit page, however. It seems more appropriate, rather than mucking up this post. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184184">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your replies! I have so many more questions regarding the spectrum of ex-scientologists&#8217; beliefs. I think I may ask the questions on Leah&#8217;s reddit page, however. It seems more appropriate, rather than mucking up this post. 🙂</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2017 20:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184173&quot;&gt;jglden&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;em&gt; do former/”on the fence” scientologists, including yourself, think that what Miscavige has done to Scientology is what makes scientology an abusive,fabricated, scam of a religion OR do formers, including yourself, believe that even Hubbard’s Scientology texts and practices were also an abusive,fabricated, scam?&lt;/em&gt;

People are all over the spectrum from &quot;It&#039;s all Miscavige&#039;s perversions&quot; to &quot;It&#039;s all Hubbard&#039;s insanity.&quot; Most sit somewhere in between. 

AD 36 stands for &quot;After Dianetics&quot; -- a Hubbard conceit that he began using to date things in scientology. He claimed he was not a Messiah. He just acted like one....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184173">jglden</a>.</p>
<p><em> do former/”on the fence” scientologists, including yourself, think that what Miscavige has done to Scientology is what makes scientology an abusive,fabricated, scam of a religion OR do formers, including yourself, believe that even Hubbard’s Scientology texts and practices were also an abusive,fabricated, scam?</em></p>
<p>People are all over the spectrum from &#8220;It&#8217;s all Miscavige&#8217;s perversions&#8221; to &#8220;It&#8217;s all Hubbard&#8217;s insanity.&#8221; Most sit somewhere in between. </p>
<p>AD 36 stands for &#8220;After Dianetics&#8221; &#8212; a Hubbard conceit that he began using to date things in scientology. He claimed he was not a Messiah. He just acted like one&#8230;.</p>
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		By: jglden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2017 19:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184159&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your reply. I also just finished reading your welcome message for this blog and realized that you did explain that this blog is for former/current Scientologists. Because of my past experiences within a cult myself, I am drawn to trying to understand them; and they all have the same backbone of brainwashing: stroke ego, offer solution, save your soul/make &quot;clear&quot;, legitimize your enlightenment, then control and threaten you to ensure your enlightenment and safe soul. But I am very curious to know this, about former scientologists specifically, - do former/&quot;on the fence&quot; scientologists, including yourself, think that what Miscavige has done to Scientology is what makes scientology an abusive,fabricated, scam of a religion OR do formers, including yourself, believe that even Hubbard&#039;s Scientology texts and practices were also an abusive,fabricated, scam?

I do not believe in Scientology at all, but I definitely believe in some of the universal theories that Hubbard touched on, such as past lives, healing traumas of past lives or even from your childhood, etc. BUT like every other cult, pyramid scheme, and other scams, Hubbard used universal truths to sell lies. I think that&#039;s the part that some may hold on to and remain thinking that Hubbard was some guru because he did say things that were true, but he distorted them incredibly.
I learned invaluable lessons of life when I was inside my Christian cult, because much of what they taught was true - when it came to character and discipline of self.
That is really the trickiest part of cults - there is a lot of truth  but they claim those truths as their own original thought that they need to sell to you along with lies and bs. 


Another question: In that popular video clip of Miscavige announcing Hubbard&#039;s death, why did Miscagivge refer to the year 1986 as 36 A.D.? I think I know....because Hubbard was like Christ? But why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184159">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I also just finished reading your welcome message for this blog and realized that you did explain that this blog is for former/current Scientologists. Because of my past experiences within a cult myself, I am drawn to trying to understand them; and they all have the same backbone of brainwashing: stroke ego, offer solution, save your soul/make &#8220;clear&#8221;, legitimize your enlightenment, then control and threaten you to ensure your enlightenment and safe soul. But I am very curious to know this, about former scientologists specifically, &#8211; do former/&#8221;on the fence&#8221; scientologists, including yourself, think that what Miscavige has done to Scientology is what makes scientology an abusive,fabricated, scam of a religion OR do formers, including yourself, believe that even Hubbard&#8217;s Scientology texts and practices were also an abusive,fabricated, scam?</p>
<p>I do not believe in Scientology at all, but I definitely believe in some of the universal theories that Hubbard touched on, such as past lives, healing traumas of past lives or even from your childhood, etc. BUT like every other cult, pyramid scheme, and other scams, Hubbard used universal truths to sell lies. I think that&#8217;s the part that some may hold on to and remain thinking that Hubbard was some guru because he did say things that were true, but he distorted them incredibly.<br />
I learned invaluable lessons of life when I was inside my Christian cult, because much of what they taught was true &#8211; when it came to character and discipline of self.<br />
That is really the trickiest part of cults &#8211; there is a lot of truth  but they claim those truths as their own original thought that they need to sell to you along with lies and bs. </p>
<p>Another question: In that popular video clip of Miscavige announcing Hubbard&#8217;s death, why did Miscagivge refer to the year 1986 as 36 A.D.? I think I know&#8230;.because Hubbard was like Christ? But why?</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184159</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2017 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184148&quot;&gt;Jglden&lt;/a&gt;.

You assume correctly.

Often I don&#039;t have time to think through how to explain everything to those who have never been involved in scientology. But on the other hand, if everything is explained for a &quot;never-in&quot; it makes very tedious reading for those who have been in. And that is the biggest audience for this blog. I try to strike some sort of balance. But I admit this one is not suited at all to those who are unfamiliar with scientology.

Here, let me summarize it for you.

Hubbard created a hierarchy to run scientology.
Miscavige has dismantled it and &quot;disappeared&quot; those who should be running things because he considered them threats.
Scientologists should be worried about this because it is &quot;not what Ron [Hubbard] said to do&quot; and also because it is clearly a failing strategy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184148">Jglden</a>.</p>
<p>You assume correctly.</p>
<p>Often I don&#8217;t have time to think through how to explain everything to those who have never been involved in scientology. But on the other hand, if everything is explained for a &#8220;never-in&#8221; it makes very tedious reading for those who have been in. And that is the biggest audience for this blog. I try to strike some sort of balance. But I admit this one is not suited at all to those who are unfamiliar with scientology.</p>
<p>Here, let me summarize it for you.</p>
<p>Hubbard created a hierarchy to run scientology.<br />
Miscavige has dismantled it and &#8220;disappeared&#8221; those who should be running things because he considered them threats.<br />
Scientologists should be worried about this because it is &#8220;not what Ron [Hubbard] said to do&#8221; and also because it is clearly a failing strategy.</p>
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		By: Jglden		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-184148</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2017 18:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I assume that your blog is predominantly for former and current members/parishioners/believers (I don&#039;t know the proper terminology) of Scientology, with the intention of enlightening/deprogramming/informing them to realize that they don&#039;t need the science fiction religion of Scientology. If your blog is indeed intended for the above stated audience, then I&#039;m sure your blog posts make sense. 
As someone who fortunately was never involved in Scientology, I admit I have an extremely difficult time understanding what you are saying in the posts because there are so many new terms,words, abbreviations, that it&#039;s practically a new dialect or language. Is there somewhere you explain or define what it all means? Part of me believes that all the Scientology jargon is intentionally confusing to make it appear esoteric...not that you are doing that in your posts but just Scientology in general. What confuses me isn&#039;t how someone can get sucked into Scientology; that I part I understand because I myself was in Christian cult for many years. I&#039;ve also watched the few documentaries that are out and Leah&#039;s show onA&#038;E, but even still,the posts I&#039;ve read here are very confusing to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that your blog is predominantly for former and current members/parishioners/believers (I don&#8217;t know the proper terminology) of Scientology, with the intention of enlightening/deprogramming/informing them to realize that they don&#8217;t need the science fiction religion of Scientology. If your blog is indeed intended for the above stated audience, then I&#8217;m sure your blog posts make sense.<br />
As someone who fortunately was never involved in Scientology, I admit I have an extremely difficult time understanding what you are saying in the posts because there are so many new terms,words, abbreviations, that it&#8217;s practically a new dialect or language. Is there somewhere you explain or define what it all means? Part of me believes that all the Scientology jargon is intentionally confusing to make it appear esoteric&#8230;not that you are doing that in your posts but just Scientology in general. What confuses me isn&#8217;t how someone can get sucked into Scientology; that I part I understand because I myself was in Christian cult for many years. I&#8217;ve also watched the few documentaries that are out and Leah&#8217;s show onA&amp;E, but even still,the posts I&#8217;ve read here are very confusing to me.</p>
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		By: Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183831</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2017 01:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183810&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I figured that out about a month ago.]]></description>
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<p>Yes, I figured that out about a month ago.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2017 19:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183726&quot;&gt;Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s about Queens , the geographic location or burrough or suburb or city in NY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183726">Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about Queens , the geographic location or burrough or suburb or city in NY</p>
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		By: Balletlady		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2017 15:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183736&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen Aqua....the belief system like in some other religions is so deeply ingrained in the mindset it&#039;s nearly impossible to &quot;shake off&quot;.  In some religions the very threat of &quot;Hellfire and brimstone &#038; eternal damnation&quot; for leaving the cause (that religion) strikes such fear in their hearts they&#039;d rather commit suicide then LEAVE &#039;the religion&quot;.  

You can talk til you are blue in the face and some people will never &quot;get it&quot;, no matter what has been done to them, their immediate family or extended family and friends.  The &quot;Svengali&quot; of COS has such a hold on some families with the disconnection policy etc....they are in for life &#038; that is all too sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183736">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Amen Aqua&#8230;.the belief system like in some other religions is so deeply ingrained in the mindset it&#8217;s nearly impossible to &#8220;shake off&#8221;.  In some religions the very threat of &#8220;Hellfire and brimstone &amp; eternal damnation&#8221; for leaving the cause (that religion) strikes such fear in their hearts they&#8217;d rather commit suicide then LEAVE &#8216;the religion&#8221;.  </p>
<p>You can talk til you are blue in the face and some people will never &#8220;get it&#8221;, no matter what has been done to them, their immediate family or extended family and friends.  The &#8220;Svengali&#8221; of COS has such a hold on some families with the disconnection policy etc&#8230;.they are in for life &amp; that is all too sad.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2017 04:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183715&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, its Advance Mag-worthy, don&#039;t you think?  Better even than finding my car keys last month..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183715">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, its Advance Mag-worthy, don&#8217;t you think?  Better even than finding my car keys last month..</p>
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		By: Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2017 00:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183641&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

That is absolutely right, Aquamarine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-follies/#comment-183641">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>That is absolutely right, Aquamarine.</p>
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