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		By: Zephyr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zephyr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 02:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57969&quot;&gt;Pete2&lt;/a&gt;.

Pete2
You won&#039;t find it in the red volumes because it is a confidential HCOB.

If you look at HCOBs about objective processes, like on the HQS course, SRD or Level I, that deal with objectives, a lot of data pertinent to CCHs / objectives is in the years of 1962-65.
Whether  objectives or any other process for that matter, it is a basic NOT to rerun something that has been run to EP.
Good luck!
Greta]]></description>
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<p>Pete2<br />
You won&#8217;t find it in the red volumes because it is a confidential HCOB.</p>
<p>If you look at HCOBs about objective processes, like on the HQS course, SRD or Level I, that deal with objectives, a lot of data pertinent to CCHs / objectives is in the years of 1962-65.<br />
Whether  objectives or any other process for that matter, it is a basic NOT to rerun something that has been run to EP.<br />
Good luck!<br />
Greta</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 01:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57986&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

So true Foolproof.  My hubby calls it &quot;death by management&quot;.  Although I know some missions that did well furthest from the grip of the SO.   And yes, the biggest overt of all.....having no sense of humor!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57986">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>So true Foolproof.  My hubby calls it &#8220;death by management&#8221;.  Although I know some missions that did well furthest from the grip of the SO.   And yes, the biggest overt of all&#8230;..having no sense of humor!</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 01:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57964&quot;&gt;WhiteStar&lt;/a&gt;.

Very wise and real WhiteStar.]]></description>
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<p>Very wise and real WhiteStar.</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Surfer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-58036&quot;&gt;WhiteStar&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent point WS!  Well put.  I agree whole hardheartedly.]]></description>
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<p>Excellent point WS!  Well put.  I agree whole hardheartedly.</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Surfer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57930&quot;&gt;Cooper Kessel&lt;/a&gt;.

Coop!  It&#039;s NOT a circuit!  It&#039;s a full blown implant from the Mars Implant station.  &quot;I am totally blown away,&quot; &quot;That was the Best event ever!&quot;, &#038;, of course, &quot;I&#039;d like to thank COB for.&quot;  I&#039;m beginning to think there&#039;s still an implant station here on Teegeeack!]]></description>
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<p>Coop!  It&#8217;s NOT a circuit!  It&#8217;s a full blown implant from the Mars Implant station.  &#8220;I am totally blown away,&#8221; &#8220;That was the Best event ever!&#8221;, &amp;, of course, &#8220;I&#8217;d like to thank COB for.&#8221;  I&#8217;m beginning to think there&#8217;s still an implant station here on Teegeeack!</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Surfer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57894&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

Great post, I Yawnalot!  But you fractured me with &quot;all sizzle &#038; no sausage.&quot;   Bwahahahahahah!  Damn!  And I thought I was funny!  As we always said in the business, &quot;Now that&#039;s some funny shit!!&quot;

Thanks so much for the laugh!]]></description>
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<p>Great post, I Yawnalot!  But you fractured me with &#8220;all sizzle &amp; no sausage.&#8221;   Bwahahahahahah!  Damn!  And I thought I was funny!  As we always said in the business, &#8220;Now that&#8217;s some funny shit!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the laugh!</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Surfer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57938&quot;&gt;Jens TINGLEFF&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey, Jens!  Count Coop &#038; I in!  

I had to disconnect from my mom when I was on staff back in the 70s  in Hawaii.  Since I was her only child &#038; had just rejected her for the cult, she promptly flew home and attempted suicide.  Her cousin found her and was able to save her.  BUT, I had to live with what I did.  So, yes, angry is what I&#039;ve been since that time.  But, I&#039;v focused that anger into warning others about this cult.  And, Coop, that&#039;s a lot of fun!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57938">Jens TINGLEFF</a>.</p>
<p>Hey, Jens!  Count Coop &amp; I in!  </p>
<p>I had to disconnect from my mom when I was on staff back in the 70s  in Hawaii.  Since I was her only child &amp; had just rejected her for the cult, she promptly flew home and attempted suicide.  Her cousin found her and was able to save her.  BUT, I had to live with what I did.  So, yes, angry is what I&#8217;ve been since that time.  But, I&#8217;v focused that anger into warning others about this cult.  And, Coop, that&#8217;s a lot of fun!</p>
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		By: WhiteStar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhiteStar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i don&#039;t get your point  Jens TINGLEFF. perhaps you misunderstand mine.

i was speaking to the people who may feel they wasted a lot of their years. a lot of non scientologists have done the same. many if not most people feel their life hasn&#039;t turned out like they envisioned, that many things turn out not to be what you thought or hoped they were. that is part of life. in that they are not alone.

to put it more simply, if you feel you&#039;ve wasted you life on scientology, there is no guarantee you wouldn&#039;t have &quot;wasted&quot; it on something else. 

perhaps even you have somethings you find hard to admit to yourself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t get your point  Jens TINGLEFF. perhaps you misunderstand mine.</p>
<p>i was speaking to the people who may feel they wasted a lot of their years. a lot of non scientologists have done the same. many if not most people feel their life hasn&#8217;t turned out like they envisioned, that many things turn out not to be what you thought or hoped they were. that is part of life. in that they are not alone.</p>
<p>to put it more simply, if you feel you&#8217;ve wasted you life on scientology, there is no guarantee you wouldn&#8217;t have &#8220;wasted&#8221; it on something else. </p>
<p>perhaps even you have somethings you find hard to admit to yourself.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57964&quot;&gt;WhiteStar&lt;/a&gt;.

So, say - hypothetically - that a woman told youher husband beat her. Would you say &quot;Well, you know, he&#039;s not the only one...&quot;]]></description>
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<p>So, say &#8211; hypothetically &#8211; that a woman told youher husband beat her. Would you say &#8220;Well, you know, he&#8217;s not the only one&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57986&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with almost everything you&#039;ve said, Foolproof.  

I&#039;ve never been on staff but the HCOPLs I&#039;ve followed continue to benefit my business.  Of course, there&#039;s no way that my business is managed with any version of  the Birthday Game, and the truth is, if I ran my business SOLELY  by stats and conditions, I wouldn&#039;t have a business anymore. I would have lost it a long time ago, because in my business, I have to really work WITH people in order to get a product. 

I cherrypick the LRH that works for my business, my employees and myself.  If I know that when my people are trying their damndest to get a product, or even if they are discouraged and not trying, I never deflate them by putting them in &quot;lowers&quot;, punishing them or even criticizing them, because I myself cannot be managed that way and I think its horrible, and then, pragmatically, I need their good will, their self-determinism in full play and their self-esteem in good shape in order for them to get a product!  

I take from LRH what I find works, and ignore the rest. As far as making Scientology orgs work, I can see much of Ron&#039;s policy being beneficial to production and expansion, but as for orgs living and breathing for the Birthday Game,  I always considered this detrimental to the orgs viable expansion because of how it necessitated stat-pushing and made the delivery of the product way more important than the welfare of the person for whom it was being delivered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-successes-a-work-in-progress/#comment-57986">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with almost everything you&#8217;ve said, Foolproof.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been on staff but the HCOPLs I&#8217;ve followed continue to benefit my business.  Of course, there&#8217;s no way that my business is managed with any version of  the Birthday Game, and the truth is, if I ran my business SOLELY  by stats and conditions, I wouldn&#8217;t have a business anymore. I would have lost it a long time ago, because in my business, I have to really work WITH people in order to get a product. </p>
<p>I cherrypick the LRH that works for my business, my employees and myself.  If I know that when my people are trying their damndest to get a product, or even if they are discouraged and not trying, I never deflate them by putting them in &#8220;lowers&#8221;, punishing them or even criticizing them, because I myself cannot be managed that way and I think its horrible, and then, pragmatically, I need their good will, their self-determinism in full play and their self-esteem in good shape in order for them to get a product!  </p>
<p>I take from LRH what I find works, and ignore the rest. As far as making Scientology orgs work, I can see much of Ron&#8217;s policy being beneficial to production and expansion, but as for orgs living and breathing for the Birthday Game,  I always considered this detrimental to the orgs viable expansion because of how it necessitated stat-pushing and made the delivery of the product way more important than the welfare of the person for whom it was being delivered.</p>
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