That’s really sweet of you, Jane, thank you very much. This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for!

T Marianne, I would have answered sooner, but I don’t go on this site every day and just now saw your question to me. YES I have attended many of Drew Johnston’s events. He is a pitchman for DM and all his schemes under his naive belief in “Command Intention.” It is sad to see this beautiful being, Class VIII, OT VIII, high toned, caring guy so utterly duped and acting as DM’s marionette. I like the idea of going to a seminar to learn and drill LRH data to improve your life. But that isn’t what happens at these events. I have attended many of them because I trusted and liked Drew. But it didn’t take me long to put the dots together and see what was happening. Drew gives a few references and examples and then launches into the regging for the Ideal Orgs or whatever the cause du jour for the day is. And they post people at the doors so you can’t leave. When I’d finally been overrun on all this at about my 10th event, I left and had to fight my way out of the room. Sad to see what a Class VIII has been reduced to when he should be Clearing people through his auditing or his CSing.

Hey Valkov,
Thanks for the link! I had taken note of Jane Does comment and it doesn’t answer my questions. Well, apart from bordering on one of them…the one on why it is wrong to give this seminar. However, I couldn’t discern whether her statements are based on information or whether they are to be understood as generalizing guesswork. The biased reader will certainly piece the info together to your conclusion.

Jane Doe says “Drew gives these events” and I am left to speculate what “these events” are.
The flyer posted above refers to only one event. Is she talking about a series of events of the same nature? Jane doesn’t even explicitly state that she attended such seminars and if so, how often.
She might very well be extrapolating from a one time experience unrelated to the event in question here as is her right in an innocent comment on the side. But without further background info I’d rather not jump to the conclusion that there is a series of seminars given by Drew Johnston that serve as a fundraiser. Though I can imagine very well that this is exactly the case and therefore it would be great if Jane could give us some definitive info here!

Helping people leave the church is not done by telling them auditors shouldn’t give speeches. Hence my request for a little context. Undoubtedly Mike had good reasons to post this, but they don’t come across.
My questions still stand and – ideally – would be answered 😀

Marianne,
an „ideal life“? Nothing wrong with it, when also it sounds just a bit utopistic.
Nothing is wrong with the topics, basically … but it looks like hypocrisy and luring in for fund-raising (again). The responses are about the hypocrisy, not the goal itself, IMO.

And about “ideal”….. like the empty, void of theta “Ideal Orgs”, disconnections and destroyed families and lives, surveillances and interrogations like the Stasi or in Orwell’s “1984”, extortion and wasting of money and bankrupting people, endless demand of money (donations without exchange) so one cannot afford anymore to go up the Bridge, the altered and reversed tech, blacklisting and punishing when uttering disagreement with “management” and their doings, suppression of free speech and information, mind control … ???
HYPOCRISY! The many, many declarations and REPORTS (of members who left) show this clearly.

T. Marianne, your questions are actually answered in Jane Doe’s post above. It’s similar to the “business”(scam) promotions where you gotot a”seminar” and are then recruited to buy an expensive “distributorship” costing thousands of dollars, or simply a position in a pyramid scheme. Only this is even worse, because you are heavily pressured and manipulated to donate BIG money for which you get nothing but the “good feeling” of going broke in a “noble cause” which doesn’t really exist.

Here’s the link to her comment:
http://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-an-ideal-ideal-world/#comment-9735

BC certainty course, ah yes. I imagine that would be where poor, deluded pre-GAT Cl. VIs learn the true definition of a floating needle by studying Art Series refs. I suppose if you torture a reference long enough, it’ll confess to anything you want.

I know an old Cl. VIII. If that little twerp Miscavige could grow a big enough pair to tell her she to had do any “certainty” anything to keep her cert, she’d pick him up by his ankles and bitch slap him ’til he puked. With his ruds thus put in, she’d show him a sec check, alright. Apparently this Drew Johnston guy just doesn’t have that kind of spark in him. Wuss.

Gus.

You said it, KA.

Jane Doe,

You just answered my question: why would they be bothering with $30 seminars with even this pathetic sham help flow to parishioners? Why are they dealing in such small financial potatoes?

Answer: just get ’em in with the surveyed buttons and then get down to the real business at hand.

Puke.

Just part of the Ideal Tits Marketing Plan.