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		By: Odd Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Odd Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 02:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-happening-for-real-again/#comment-24017&quot;&gt;davefagen&lt;/a&gt;.

Well put Dave. When my wife - a Case Cracking Auditor from the good days at SFO - had to do a GAT I study course at CCI, she told me a little about the ordeal. From what I heard, it would be like asking Bill Shoemaker (one of the best horse jockeys ever!) to go back and ride a horse on a merry-go-round to &quot;get the feel&quot; of riding again. The course had ZERO connection to reality. Any who ... +1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-happening-for-real-again/#comment-24017">davefagen</a>.</p>
<p>Well put Dave. When my wife &#8211; a Case Cracking Auditor from the good days at SFO &#8211; had to do a GAT I study course at CCI, she told me a little about the ordeal. From what I heard, it would be like asking Bill Shoemaker (one of the best horse jockeys ever!) to go back and ride a horse on a merry-go-round to &#8220;get the feel&#8221; of riding again. The course had ZERO connection to reality. Any who &#8230; +1</p>
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		By: Still On Your Side		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Still On Your Side]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Nov 2013 03:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems that an effective counter strategy to CoB&#039;s current madness would be to circulate his prior madness in Debbie Cook-style flash emails to the entire church.  How could that possibly be wrong?    I am astonished at how much &quot;newspeak&quot; Miscavige gets away with.  There must be pneumatic tubes taking the &quot;old&quot; news away and sending in the &quot;new&quot; news.  &quot;Today Gat II will save the world because GAT I was an evil Oceania plot.&quot;  All that is needed is for Heber and company to be found sitting teary-eyed, in a cafe, while the TV blares:

Under the spreading chestnut tree
I sold you and you sold me
There lie they, and here lie we
Under the spreading chestnut tree]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that an effective counter strategy to CoB&#8217;s current madness would be to circulate his prior madness in Debbie Cook-style flash emails to the entire church.  How could that possibly be wrong?    I am astonished at how much &#8220;newspeak&#8221; Miscavige gets away with.  There must be pneumatic tubes taking the &#8220;old&#8221; news away and sending in the &#8220;new&#8221; news.  &#8220;Today Gat II will save the world because GAT I was an evil Oceania plot.&#8221;  All that is needed is for Heber and company to be found sitting teary-eyed, in a cafe, while the TV blares:</p>
<p>Under the spreading chestnut tree<br />
I sold you and you sold me<br />
There lie they, and here lie we<br />
Under the spreading chestnut tree</p>
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		By: theosismanides		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-happening-for-real-again/#comment-24190</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theosismanides]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are getting more and more Agreement outside the Church. If there was some more Affinity and much more Organising... but this will happen too. Thanks to South Africa and to you Mike for keeping some of those hats of that org board I have been dreaming of. it&#039;s coming along. The article is spot on... !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are getting more and more Agreement outside the Church. If there was some more Affinity and much more Organising&#8230; but this will happen too. Thanks to South Africa and to you Mike for keeping some of those hats of that org board I have been dreaming of. it&#8217;s coming along. The article is spot on&#8230; !</p>
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		By: Zephyr		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-happening-for-real-again/#comment-24189</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zephyr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-happening-for-real-again/#comment-23974&quot;&gt;GoVoluntary&lt;/a&gt;.

Ahahahahah!
John, you nailed it.....
Greta]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-happening-for-real-again/#comment-23974">GoVoluntary</a>.</p>
<p>Ahahahahah!<br />
John, you nailed it&#8230;..<br />
Greta</p>
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		By: Lulu Belle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lulu Belle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.&quot;

Albert Einstein]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.&#8221;</p>
<p>Albert Einstein</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Heh. &quot;Lightening-fast courses.&quot; As in lightening your wallet!

(How many dictionaries are in a courseroom,  and they still can&#039;t spell?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. &#8220;Lightening-fast courses.&#8221; As in lightening your wallet!</p>
<p>(How many dictionaries are in a courseroom,  and they still can&#8217;t spell?)</p>
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		By: davefagen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davefagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The above quotes about the quality of tech from the GAT were mostly a lie. I&#039;m sure there were some tech delivery people who were very competent, but for the most part, when I now re-read that quote 16 years later, it&#039;s obviously just a bunch of hype that someone had to come up with to make it sound good.

I remember in our org one of the guys who trained to deliver the GAT when it first came out was a kind-of punk kid who was sent for the training at Flag. I was not one of the ones who did the training for the initial release.

When he came back, a lot of people were raving about, &quot;how much of a changed person he was.&quot;  He trained as a Word Clearer. 

When all the hype had died down, I found that he could only word clear or false data strip people who ran textbook. In other words if the person just naturally ran smoothly, answering the questions with the generally expected answers with the meter showing what you would hope it shows, like on a GAT drill, he could do it okay.

But the minute you had someone who didn&#039;t just give the expected answers, and needed real guiding and understanding in order to get the word found or what have you, he got totally lost. He had practically zero conceptual understanding. For him, it was just a bunch of memorized actions - when this happens, do this, when that happens, do that - but as soon as someone gave some unexpected answer or the meter didn&#039;t do what he had been led to believe it would always do, he couldn&#039;t word clear his way out of a paper bag.

I remember having to bail him out of many bogged word clearing and false data stripping sessions, and I hadn&#039;t even done the GAT drills up to that time. And I was far from perfect myself but the majority of time, this &quot;new breed of word clearer&quot; was just totally lost.

I couldn&#039;t help but think about this person while reading the above hype. At the time that stuff first came out in 1996, I didn&#039;t recognize the bunk it was communicating, because I wanted it to be true and I hoped it would be true. It took getting out of that bubble, and now reading all that fluff again after being out for a few years it&#039;s absolutely glaring how much BS is inherent in the above statements.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above quotes about the quality of tech from the GAT were mostly a lie. I&#8217;m sure there were some tech delivery people who were very competent, but for the most part, when I now re-read that quote 16 years later, it&#8217;s obviously just a bunch of hype that someone had to come up with to make it sound good.</p>
<p>I remember in our org one of the guys who trained to deliver the GAT when it first came out was a kind-of punk kid who was sent for the training at Flag. I was not one of the ones who did the training for the initial release.</p>
<p>When he came back, a lot of people were raving about, &#8220;how much of a changed person he was.&#8221;  He trained as a Word Clearer. </p>
<p>When all the hype had died down, I found that he could only word clear or false data strip people who ran textbook. In other words if the person just naturally ran smoothly, answering the questions with the generally expected answers with the meter showing what you would hope it shows, like on a GAT drill, he could do it okay.</p>
<p>But the minute you had someone who didn&#8217;t just give the expected answers, and needed real guiding and understanding in order to get the word found or what have you, he got totally lost. He had practically zero conceptual understanding. For him, it was just a bunch of memorized actions &#8211; when this happens, do this, when that happens, do that &#8211; but as soon as someone gave some unexpected answer or the meter didn&#8217;t do what he had been led to believe it would always do, he couldn&#8217;t word clear his way out of a paper bag.</p>
<p>I remember having to bail him out of many bogged word clearing and false data stripping sessions, and I hadn&#8217;t even done the GAT drills up to that time. And I was far from perfect myself but the majority of time, this &#8220;new breed of word clearer&#8221; was just totally lost.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t help but think about this person while reading the above hype. At the time that stuff first came out in 1996, I didn&#8217;t recognize the bunk it was communicating, because I wanted it to be true and I hoped it would be true. It took getting out of that bubble, and now reading all that fluff again after being out for a few years it&#8217;s absolutely glaring how much BS is inherent in the above statements.</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 06:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yup, I remember 1996.  And 1986 (LA Crusade).  And &#039;85 in Portland.  Hell, I remember 1976 and before.  

Around the early 1980s, roll call for the BC took *15 minutes* solid.  15.  Fucking.  Minutes.  Because the courtroom was that crowded.  

And forget Fdn, that was DAY.  

Some &quot;Golden Age&quot; this is.

Gus]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I remember 1996.  And 1986 (LA Crusade).  And &#8217;85 in Portland.  Hell, I remember 1976 and before.  </p>
<p>Around the early 1980s, roll call for the BC took *15 minutes* solid.  15.  Fucking.  Minutes.  Because the courtroom was that crowded.  </p>
<p>And forget Fdn, that was DAY.  </p>
<p>Some &#8220;Golden Age&#8221; this is.</p>
<p>Gus</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Oracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 05:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The real news is twelve to sixteen weeks up the road, when the few that make it through return home, and the building meets the same fate as the Freewinds. Vacant. 

 Promises that obtaining a ship would &quot;free the planet&quot;  were not exactly forthcoming in fruition.  So they decided all the public were out ethics.  Super Power has been promoted as the key thing that will put the public&#039;s ethics in. So NOW the planet will go free. The WHY has been the consumers. 

The feeding trough has been opened for the consumers to feed, as a gift from the spiritually supreme, who have been stopped by the degraded out ethics beings called customers.  If the planet doesn&#039;t fly free within months after this release and putting these suppressive public in proper form, there will be no hope left, and Scientology will fail because of the customers. (Laughter)

Witch hunts and justice actions will be thick, it will be a blood bath. You will be able to smell the metal in the air. That is exactly what is going to happen. It has already started in motion upon the people that have been invited to do Super Power that had their telephones disconnected or said, &quot;Um, sorry, busy this week.....&quot;    Yes, golden rod has started flying already.  From what I understand it looks today as if the business of Scientology is 5% delivering something of value to a customer, 70% begging, 25% witch hunts, legal messes fair gaming and spying.  Which eats up more than half of the begging revenue.  

There is not one single L.R.H reference that states the way to boom orgs is to release Super Power, not one.  But watch the drowning applause of the &quot;L.R.H. fans&quot; at these events. Listen to them chant and mimic the spiritually supreme.  Presenting their memberhsip cards although there is a very specific L.R.H. reference to NOT sell memberships, or exclude people. 

Contrary to popular opinion that thetans are basically evil and dangerous, it turns out they are mainly gullible , trust openly and willingly for others to think for them, have many learning disabilities and just don&#039;t wanna be lonely. Or left behind .  Like pets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real news is twelve to sixteen weeks up the road, when the few that make it through return home, and the building meets the same fate as the Freewinds. Vacant. </p>
<p> Promises that obtaining a ship would &#8220;free the planet&#8221;  were not exactly forthcoming in fruition.  So they decided all the public were out ethics.  Super Power has been promoted as the key thing that will put the public&#8217;s ethics in. So NOW the planet will go free. The WHY has been the consumers. </p>
<p>The feeding trough has been opened for the consumers to feed, as a gift from the spiritually supreme, who have been stopped by the degraded out ethics beings called customers.  If the planet doesn&#8217;t fly free within months after this release and putting these suppressive public in proper form, there will be no hope left, and Scientology will fail because of the customers. (Laughter)</p>
<p>Witch hunts and justice actions will be thick, it will be a blood bath. You will be able to smell the metal in the air. That is exactly what is going to happen. It has already started in motion upon the people that have been invited to do Super Power that had their telephones disconnected or said, &#8220;Um, sorry, busy this week&#8230;..&#8221;    Yes, golden rod has started flying already.  From what I understand it looks today as if the business of Scientology is 5% delivering something of value to a customer, 70% begging, 25% witch hunts, legal messes fair gaming and spying.  Which eats up more than half of the begging revenue.  </p>
<p>There is not one single L.R.H reference that states the way to boom orgs is to release Super Power, not one.  But watch the drowning applause of the &#8220;L.R.H. fans&#8221; at these events. Listen to them chant and mimic the spiritually supreme.  Presenting their memberhsip cards although there is a very specific L.R.H. reference to NOT sell memberships, or exclude people. </p>
<p>Contrary to popular opinion that thetans are basically evil and dangerous, it turns out they are mainly gullible , trust openly and willingly for others to think for them, have many learning disabilities and just don&#8217;t wanna be lonely. Or left behind .  Like pets.</p>
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		By: Idle Morgue		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guarantee that the members and staff have heard this talk so much that it has lost all meaning.  It is manufactured hype followed by let downs of epic proportions!  I bet they have so many no shows - it will be a total flop!  Can&#039;t wait to see the first person to finish Super Power and watch the &quot;no case gain&quot; right before our very eyes!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guarantee that the members and staff have heard this talk so much that it has lost all meaning.  It is manufactured hype followed by let downs of epic proportions!  I bet they have so many no shows &#8211; it will be a total flop!  Can&#8217;t wait to see the first person to finish Super Power and watch the &#8220;no case gain&#8221; right before our very eyes!!</p>
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