Comments on: Johannesburg "Ideal" Org — Truth Revealed

By: Neverend

Neverend — Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:00:14 +0000

The situation exposed to the realit seen about ideal orgs show as empty tells a very sad side to reality, This would have never happened under LRH its just hard to comprehend the
currentl situation is what it is .I just saw that Sc ientology has pruchased the home
of lLarry Hagmans Oja home so its been reported on web media for what use.?

By: Chris from Germany

Chris from Germany — Sat, 06 Apr 2013 01:02:46 +0000

I´ve been a staff in Berlin at the time of the opening of the “Ideal” (idealized) Org in 2007 and left the Church last year, in the meantime SP-declared.
The numbers of Joburg Org for me seem rather “good” numbers compared to what I know from Berlin:
Staff there was and is having less staff pay compared to Joburg. In 2007 it was about 20 € / week (~25 $). Summer 2012 there was no Staff pay at all for quite some months, sometimes you got your 1 or 2 €.
From 2008 – 2012 the average GI / week was about 3.500 € (~4.000 $).
For a long time there was an out-PR-sign at the elevator: “This elevator is only for the use of PCs and students” to remind also new staff that the electricity was far too expensive to also allow staff to use the elevator (6-level-building plus basement).
There were times when the phones were shut off, because of unpaid bills…
Some Staff were fare dodging to go to the allhands-book-stand, since no money. Some were stealing food from the canteen, so that HCO even had to install cameras. When even this didn´t work out, they had to install vending machines, in order to prevent further stealing.
Same as in Joburg green wogs were hired and not being told about the low wages – which put the recruits into personal danger sits.
The uniform problem – the same also here. You had to dry clean it – which was not done anymore because of the high costs. The uniforms of many staff members look terribly worn-out.
From 8 posted HGC auditors in 2007 there is one still left. Some of them blew straight, when they “got” it, some were needed in the Academy. Now the HGC is bemanned by one auditor, the Snr. C/S auditing and the Tech Sec auditing – in case one of the few left publics finds his way there.
Numbers of Staff are more or less the same like Joburg.
I cannot give too many details about Malmö (Sweden), but according to reports of people who had been on staff there, it doesn´t really differ.

By: Tom M

Tom M — Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:58:25 +0000

In reply to Paul J.

I was a Programs Chf for years in management. I also managed Africa for a few years, as well as ANZO. LRH always stressed that each area needed their own evaluation on what would drive people onto the lines of that org. For instance he found out that NY City had a lot of business surrounding the Broadway Shows and that orgs should promote to those actors, extras, dancers and so forth and cater to them during the day. Evaluations needed to be done on how to get these people arriving on org lines. When this was done, NY Day swelled.
Africa has already been figured out by LRH and he developed the SARD (South African Run Down) and it needed to be delivered to each and every South African. He said SA will go nowhere without each and every SA Scientologist delivered the SARD. I slammed this in back in 1984 and the SA orgs took off. I am sure it was cast aside by David “I-Am-Now-Source” Miscaviage. He probably figured that SA had changed and now LRH’s SARD was “old and quant background data”. And I heard him say similar to that about LRH admin several times.

ML Tom

By: John Doe

John Doe — Thu, 04 Apr 2013 22:22:32 +0000

One thing that can’t be avoided is that people can’t and don’t want to work for free. That problem is built into the system, unfortunately.

By: Aquamarine

Aquamarine — Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:18:43 +0000

In reply to Joe Pendleton.

Precisely, totally what Joe Pendleton just said. This IS the existing scene with public still in, point by point, and with staff, too, and I agree with the eval that they are functionally insane. They have made themselves so.

Their utter refusal to LOOK not only creates more complexity in their universes but as well feeds their necessity to be RIGHT about not looking, which creates more complexity, prevents them from looking, etc. etc. Boy, are they busy plowing themselves in. The “Time is Abberation” datum of LRH applies to them big time.

I treat them quite gently and carefully as one would deal with any very PTS , a=a=a type individual.. Some of them are highly trained as auditors and have been staff for decades. Sad.

By: calvin b. duffield

calvin b. duffield — Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:43:18 +0000

In reply to John P..

John P, there is a simple one word answer—– INSANITY!——and no, it can’t be fixed!

By: Seeker

Seeker — Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:51:32 +0000

Does anyone have any information on the Tampa Org? Mike do you?

By: Joe Pendleton

Joe Pendleton — Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:40:36 +0000

In reply to Ronn. Ronn, what the heck happened to to SFO?

By: sets guy

sets guy — Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:08:21 +0000

In reply to Kevin Tighe. Kevin you got it. 100% agreed. They are now in a worst sit with the property taxes etc etc. And $1000 uniform. Sorry there is something else wrong here.

By: Silvia

Silvia — Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:11:23 +0000

This is a perfect example of “confront of evil” That this things occur within the Org affecting public, staff and Scientology alike is not an accident or the result of mismanagment; it is an intentional crime prepetrated by the Devil Maquination (DM) of this person,
As Mike and many of us state the thing to do is keep delivering and using Scientology as many Independents are doing.
This is what works and this is what will forward the truth and workability of this subject. We will pick up the broken straws (staff and public that left) as we move on.