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		By: MJ		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68420</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68269&quot;&gt;Zzzzzzz&lt;/a&gt;.

Dave&#039;s getting more blowback than he can handle on Hollywood Boulevard if you know what I mean.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68269">Zzzzzzz</a>.</p>
<p>Dave&#8217;s getting more blowback than he can handle on Hollywood Boulevard if you know what I mean.</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68321&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Abridged version per your request:

Good times and high crimes, I&#039;ve seen &#039;em all, and, my dear, 
I&#039;m still here.
Injustice sometimes, sometimes just told I&#039;m not clear, 
but I&#039;m here.
I&#039;ve run the gamut, wog to OT ;
three cheers and, dammit, c&#039;est la vie.
I got through the church instilled fear, 
and I&#039;m here.
Lord knows, at least I&#039;ve been there, and I&#039;m here. 
Look who&#039;s here. 
I&#039;m still here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68321">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Abridged version per your request:</p>
<p>Good times and high crimes, I&#8217;ve seen &#8217;em all, and, my dear, <br />
I&#8217;m still here.<br />
Injustice sometimes, sometimes just told I&#8217;m not clear, <br />
but I&#8217;m here.<br />
I&#8217;ve run the gamut, wog to OT ;<br />
three cheers and, dammit, c&#8217;est la vie.<br />
I got through the church instilled fear, <br />
and I&#8217;m here.<br />
Lord knows, at least I&#8217;ve been there, and I&#8217;m here. <br />
Look who&#8217;s here. <br />
I&#8217;m still here.</p>
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		By: christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68410</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Absolutely not..I don&#039;t blame you and am sorry you get those...I just meant that I liked seeing the fact that they are very stupidly trying to make you feel that what you do doesn&#039;t matter when in fact you are advocating for so many who need help....and you told them straight out that when they stop abusing human rights then what you do won&#039;t be nessecary....I admire that and enjoyed reading it...best to you and of course your family]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely not..I don&#8217;t blame you and am sorry you get those&#8230;I just meant that I liked seeing the fact that they are very stupidly trying to make you feel that what you do doesn&#8217;t matter when in fact you are advocating for so many who need help&#8230;.and you told them straight out that when they stop abusing human rights then what you do won&#8217;t be nessecary&#8230;.I admire that and enjoyed reading it&#8230;best to you and of course your family</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68372&quot;&gt;christine&lt;/a&gt;.

I usually don&#039;t publish the ones that target my wife or talk about my children because they didn&#039;t elect to participate like I did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68372">christine</a>.</p>
<p>I usually don&#8217;t publish the ones that target my wife or talk about my children because they didn&#8217;t elect to participate like I did.</p>
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		By: christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, do you often get emails like that? I found it interesting reading and especially enjoyed your response..you are not hiding your identity..they are...I would enjoy reading these along with your answers more often...its working or there would not be anyone trying to discourage you. Its good to see them squirm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, do you often get emails like that? I found it interesting reading and especially enjoyed your response..you are not hiding your identity..they are&#8230;I would enjoy reading these along with your answers more often&#8230;its working or there would not be anyone trying to discourage you. Its good to see them squirm.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68321&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey, MJ, if you have the time and are in the mood, here&#039;s your opportunity to do a parody of Stephen Sondheim&#039;s &quot;I&#039;M STILL HERE&quot;  for Mike Rinder to dedicate to this well-wisher @ fuckoff.com  LOLOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68321">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Hey, MJ, if you have the time and are in the mood, here&#8217;s your opportunity to do a parody of Stephen Sondheim&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;M STILL HERE&#8221;  for Mike Rinder to dedicate to this well-wisher @ fuckoff.com  LOLOL!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68201&quot;&gt;Margaret&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, Mike, the best thing would be for us, I mean for you...if you would just go away... forget about it all...forget everything...and go away...go AWAY... PULEEEEZ  just  GO AWAY!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68201">Margaret</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, Mike, the best thing would be for us, I mean for you&#8230;if you would just go away&#8230; forget about it all&#8230;forget everything&#8230;and go away&#8230;go AWAY&#8230; PULEEEEZ  just  GO AWAY!!!!!!!</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brilliant post Mike and so many insightful, intelligent comments!!  Thank you everyone, for your care and effort. This datum of the greatest good is certainly a milestone, of where the church shifted to fundamentalism.  When I first got in (70&#039;s), I loved the greatest good for the greatest # of dynamics datum, which I found very useful in conjunction with the code of honor and definition of integrity.  It&#039;s such a useful datum, with difficult decisions, when used with your own personal integrity.  Somewhere along the line, the emphasis shifted to the evaluated item of &quot;Scn&#039;s apparent survival&quot; as the only means of calculation, which took personal integrity, the actual beings themselves, out of the equation.  The true subject of Scn &quot;knowing how to know&quot; or spiritual advancement or personal/spiritual freedom, died right there.  The whole subject is/was dedicated to recovering one&#039;s point of view, one&#039;s true beingness, so, the removal of personal integrity from the decision making mix, is obviously antipathetic.  When participating in Scn became a trial of continuous overts on yourself, the purpose of spiritual advancement became reversed, unworkable and just plain stupid.  I think this atmosphere has also attracted those who would prefer not to think, or those that want to wallow in adoration of someone giving orders, which is why the current radical church has rapidly sunk to the level of that email.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant post Mike and so many insightful, intelligent comments!!  Thank you everyone, for your care and effort. This datum of the greatest good is certainly a milestone, of where the church shifted to fundamentalism.  When I first got in (70&#8217;s), I loved the greatest good for the greatest # of dynamics datum, which I found very useful in conjunction with the code of honor and definition of integrity.  It&#8217;s such a useful datum, with difficult decisions, when used with your own personal integrity.  Somewhere along the line, the emphasis shifted to the evaluated item of &#8220;Scn&#8217;s apparent survival&#8221; as the only means of calculation, which took personal integrity, the actual beings themselves, out of the equation.  The true subject of Scn &#8220;knowing how to know&#8221; or spiritual advancement or personal/spiritual freedom, died right there.  The whole subject is/was dedicated to recovering one&#8217;s point of view, one&#8217;s true beingness, so, the removal of personal integrity from the decision making mix, is obviously antipathetic.  When participating in Scn became a trial of continuous overts on yourself, the purpose of spiritual advancement became reversed, unworkable and just plain stupid.  I think this atmosphere has also attracted those who would prefer not to think, or those that want to wallow in adoration of someone giving orders, which is why the current radical church has rapidly sunk to the level of that email.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68264&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68264">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>🙂</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68239&quot;&gt;DollarMorgue&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks John Doe.  Decency is a beautiful thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/lying-and-fundamentalist-scientology-sunday-redux/#comment-68239">DollarMorgue</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks John Doe.  Decency is a beautiful thing.</p>
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