Comments on: Lying As A Way Of Life

By: cindy

cindy — Sun, 29 Mar 2015 06:40:09 +0000

In reply to McCarran. The church doesn't just forbid you reading "entheta." They also forbid you reading theta if they think that theta is in competition with the stuff they peddle. One that comes to mind is "The Secret." That was very enlightening and theta and I got in trouble with the MAA for looking at the show about "The Secret." They called it squirrel and said it was taking people away from doing their Bridge, the only way out etc. It reminds me of the mob bosses fighting over someone trying to take a piece of their pie away or steal their territory.

By: Reginald P. Longfellow

Reginald P. Longfellow — Sun, 29 Mar 2015 05:46:59 +0000

Scientologists employ ( often unknowingly ) denial , dissociation, hallucinations, false memories, elements of cognitive dissonance,psychological defense mechanisms , trance logic , blind faith via slavish submission of ego to Ron Hubbard’s authority , double think AND lying .

They are subject to covert thought reform that extensively cognitively restructures them into slaves/victims to Hubbard as master/abuser/power holder .

In this abusive relationship Hubbard’s deluded victims routinely are altered through a very long process of thousands of slight changes that result in becoming so extremely traumatized that constant submission as a mental pseudo clone of Hubbard ( or Miscavige) is used to survive . And escape overwhelming cognitive dissonance and ego crushing reality .

To just say members of the terrorist mind control cult Scientology lie is technically accurate – but only a sliver of the truth .

I plan to tell much more than a sliver . And invite anyone else who can to do so as well .

By: In Dog I Trust

In Dog I Trust — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 22:00:57 +0000

In reply to I Yawnalot. Resentful emotion? I'd say she was seething through the entire interview lol.

By: In Dog I Trust

In Dog I Trust — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 21:27:47 +0000

In reply to T.J..

In case you’re interested, I saw that ‘Atlantic’ article yesterday and I noticed Paulette Cooper made a few comments in the comments section, but warning, there’s a lot of $cien spamming to wade through, in order to find Paulette’s comments. I’m sorry I don’t have a link.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/03/its-not-easy-being-scientology/388634/

By: Victoria A. Berry

Victoria A. Berry — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 21:24:36 +0000

Scientology…stay out of Seaside…You are not wanted here.

By: Deniece

Deniece — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:29:41 +0000

In reply to overrunincalifornia.

This is very true.
I once wrote a success story at flag which was “Flag will figure this out ”
I was so tired of spending money on sec checks.
I was afraid I was going to get declared because I wasn’t getting any case gain.
The auditing felt like a tight rope around my spiritual body and pounding it into ground
I really wanted to leave Flag so I wrote that success story.
That’s all I could come up with.

By: Schorsch

Schorsch — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:18:33 +0000

To lie is an important ingredient of survival. Be it the overall survival or continued membership in a group or not to loose your job or whatever.
In case you want to protect yourself then to lie is acceptable.
In case you lie in order to betray it is a criminal act.
So, within Scientology are many shades of lying.
-to get money
-to get off the hook (registrar, senior, ethics officer)
-to not be considered nuts (internal or external)
-to be able to stay on course, auditing or staff
many different reasons.
As I started Scientology I did not lie but did withhold. In case I did not, I had no chance to stay on course, on staff or could continue auditing. Outside of Scientology I did not withhold to be in Scientology. With the effect that all laughing of how nuts I am. Inside Scientology I did also not withhold very much with the effect that after some weeks I had been thrown out.
What is the solution to this? Lie or “not tell the truth” is the only solution I found.
When I grew older I gradually lost my fear of being laughed at and I became stronger and stronger that I could handle attacks (physically, emotionally or even telepathically) and that reduced my need to withhold or lie throughout the years.

By: SunnyV

SunnyV — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:18:24 +0000

Mike: I always wondered what it was like for you in your former role as spokesperson to have to lie for the cult in tense media interviews. I remember watching you for years wondering what was going through your head when you would defend DM and the cult in interviews and have to tell blatant lies. (I did notice you tried to avoid outright lies with careful phrasing and avoidance.) The last interviews with the BBC crew where you had to deny Miscavige physically abusing you and others in particular comes to mind. Was it the Scientology training that helped you do that? Did the TRs and training help remove the stress of it while you were under the media lights being confronted with things you knew to be true, but had to deny? Did these moments help push to leave the cult or question why you were being required to lie about cult’s core policies to the media rather than defend their utility?

Once again, it’s been great to see you on the other side of the divide where you are finally able to speak truthfully and without fear of punishment and abuse.

By: McCarran

McCarran — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 10:46:44 +0000

In reply to Doug Parent. +1

By: McCarran

McCarran — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 10:41:46 +0000

In reply to Gimpy. Yea, the church doesn't advise on what to read and not read. Right. Sure they don't. But if my chance you read the "entheta," you need to get a sec check and if you read it and BELIEVE it, then you need to go in and get scientology's version of a lobotomy.