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		By: Mak		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 04:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great interview!]]></description>
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		By: Indie8Million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13493&quot;&gt;Jane Doe&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Jane. I appreciate your kind words so much. 
I would like to know what happened with David Mayo also. Someone on some board mentioned that he was driving some expensive car in NYC but other than that, I have no info. Can he be resurfaced? There must be some kind of limit on how long he has to be quiet. Do you know about that, Mike? David Bowies ex-wife was ordered not to write a book for 10 years. 
There is a very important thing happening here - I know I&#039;m preaching to the choir with all of you. 
Deep seated beliefs and all that, there have been epic injustices to people. Hundreds, if not thousands, have already been done - Annie, Marty, Mike, Scott Campbell, Lisa McP, etc. etc., even LRH himself, and in ways large and small. All of those make me so deeply, quietly angry. 
But what I feel even more rage about, is seeing the state of the world today and the suffering people are causing themselves and others BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN EXPOSED TO EVEN A SIMPLE COMM COURSE. Just that, alone, could change the way the world interacts, reducing domestic problems, Gang wars, political BS, etc., etc., etc.
So, Ron wants the people of earth to be happier, healthier and more in comm with each other and, if possible, OT. He works his whole life (as many of us have done) to make that help available. In my life, I see a lot of different sides of life and of people. Many of the people in jail, on the streets, on drugs, and even people drinking alone at home with millions in the bank - who could do something about their situation if they only knew how - have been denied access to the real tech that could have helped them. THAT is heartbreaking.
Look at all the time that little midget has wasted, the resources we have had available to help people that have been wasted on his ego-enhancing BS and in punishing those who were only having LRH&#039;s back. 
IMHO, the biggest overt of all, that supersedes everything is &quot;How many people WEREN&#039;T reached&quot; in the last 30 years. That, Mister Miscavige, IS YOUR OVERT.  
You are in treason. Not only to the group of Scientology, but to mankind. You ARE being removed from post and we are doing it. Pack your things. Be ready. We are coming. We are here...and not all of us are Anonymous.
Seriously, DM. Are you still reading? Get up off your ass and start packing. Don&#039;t forget the scotch. You&#039;re going to need it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13493">Jane Doe</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Jane. I appreciate your kind words so much.<br />
I would like to know what happened with David Mayo also. Someone on some board mentioned that he was driving some expensive car in NYC but other than that, I have no info. Can he be resurfaced? There must be some kind of limit on how long he has to be quiet. Do you know about that, Mike? David Bowies ex-wife was ordered not to write a book for 10 years.<br />
There is a very important thing happening here &#8211; I know I&#8217;m preaching to the choir with all of you.<br />
Deep seated beliefs and all that, there have been epic injustices to people. Hundreds, if not thousands, have already been done &#8211; Annie, Marty, Mike, Scott Campbell, Lisa McP, etc. etc., even LRH himself, and in ways large and small. All of those make me so deeply, quietly angry.<br />
But what I feel even more rage about, is seeing the state of the world today and the suffering people are causing themselves and others BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN EXPOSED TO EVEN A SIMPLE COMM COURSE. Just that, alone, could change the way the world interacts, reducing domestic problems, Gang wars, political BS, etc., etc., etc.<br />
So, Ron wants the people of earth to be happier, healthier and more in comm with each other and, if possible, OT. He works his whole life (as many of us have done) to make that help available. In my life, I see a lot of different sides of life and of people. Many of the people in jail, on the streets, on drugs, and even people drinking alone at home with millions in the bank &#8211; who could do something about their situation if they only knew how &#8211; have been denied access to the real tech that could have helped them. THAT is heartbreaking.<br />
Look at all the time that little midget has wasted, the resources we have had available to help people that have been wasted on his ego-enhancing BS and in punishing those who were only having LRH&#8217;s back.<br />
IMHO, the biggest overt of all, that supersedes everything is &#8220;How many people WEREN&#8217;T reached&#8221; in the last 30 years. That, Mister Miscavige, IS YOUR OVERT.<br />
You are in treason. Not only to the group of Scientology, but to mankind. You ARE being removed from post and we are doing it. Pack your things. Be ready. We are coming. We are here&#8230;and not all of us are Anonymous.<br />
Seriously, DM. Are you still reading? Get up off your ass and start packing. Don&#8217;t forget the scotch. You&#8217;re going to need it.</p>
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		By: Blue Seagull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 20:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great interview Mike. And, having just read the transcript of Marty and Steve&#039;s conversation in &#039;Memoirs&#039;, some interesting and further enlightening exchanges in this comments section re LRH&#039;s final days. 
One thing though, if you ever do find yourself strolling down Tottenham Court Road in the near future, the more likely reason you wouldn&#039;t be invited in for that cup of tea is that either there&#039;s nobody there on post and the doors are actually shut or the unfortunate one or two newbies sent there to camouflage the hole wouldn&#039;t know you from Adam. (Hey, cognition time.....Is that where the name, Hole, is derived from, do you think?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interview Mike. And, having just read the transcript of Marty and Steve&#8217;s conversation in &#8216;Memoirs&#8217;, some interesting and further enlightening exchanges in this comments section re LRH&#8217;s final days.<br />
One thing though, if you ever do find yourself strolling down Tottenham Court Road in the near future, the more likely reason you wouldn&#8217;t be invited in for that cup of tea is that either there&#8217;s nobody there on post and the doors are actually shut or the unfortunate one or two newbies sent there to camouflage the hole wouldn&#8217;t know you from Adam. (Hey, cognition time&#8230;..Is that where the name, Hole, is derived from, do you think?)</p>
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		By: justpassingby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good stuff. Contrast the difference between how you sound here -  and how you looked in that first John Sweeney Panorama show!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff. Contrast the difference between how you sound here &#8211;  and how you looked in that first John Sweeney Panorama show!</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13411&quot;&gt;Indie8Million&lt;/a&gt;.

Beautiful post Indie 8 Million.  &quot;For me, if I had seen exact, explicit instructions and then saw that they were being countermanded, I would have left then, after cutting down a few trees for the paper for the KRs.
And I feel your empathy for Annie, Mike. Such a loyal creature should never have endured such torture at the hand of the enemy within. Neither should you.&quot;  I am with you.  If I&#039;d had proof that he wanted Annie and Pat to run the show and then saw how it was being countermanded in the 80&#039;s, I would have left to go with Mayo.  As it was, I stayed and believed the horrible Black PR that was fed us daily on Mayo at every roll call.But I heard in the end he accepted a gag order and large settlement.  Anyone have any idea how much money was thrown at Mayo to keep him quiet?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13411">Indie8Million</a>.</p>
<p>Beautiful post Indie 8 Million.  &#8220;For me, if I had seen exact, explicit instructions and then saw that they were being countermanded, I would have left then, after cutting down a few trees for the paper for the KRs.<br />
And I feel your empathy for Annie, Mike. Such a loyal creature should never have endured such torture at the hand of the enemy within. Neither should you.&#8221;  I am with you.  If I&#8217;d had proof that he wanted Annie and Pat to run the show and then saw how it was being countermanded in the 80&#8217;s, I would have left to go with Mayo.  As it was, I stayed and believed the horrible Black PR that was fed us daily on Mayo at every roll call.But I heard in the end he accepted a gag order and large settlement.  Anyone have any idea how much money was thrown at Mayo to keep him quiet?</p>
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		By: Asthmatic Dwarf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13462&quot;&gt;BareFacedMessiah&lt;/a&gt;.

Ya&#039; think? Maybe he *was* hovering in the Van Allen Radiation Belt, letting us know that &quot;space is warm,&quot; and since whatever is true for Ron is true not only for Ron, but for every Scientologist on the planet. And when Ron almost got hit by a speeding locomotive on Venus, well, it was true for Ron and every Scientologist. I guess he had foibles and  peccadilloes as everyone, as human as the rest of us, you&#039;re right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13462">BareFacedMessiah</a>.</p>
<p>Ya&#8217; think? Maybe he *was* hovering in the Van Allen Radiation Belt, letting us know that &#8220;space is warm,&#8221; and since whatever is true for Ron is true not only for Ron, but for every Scientologist on the planet. And when Ron almost got hit by a speeding locomotive on Venus, well, it was true for Ron and every Scientologist. I guess he had foibles and  peccadilloes as everyone, as human as the rest of us, you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13390&quot;&gt;Wendy M&lt;/a&gt;.

Wendy,  Thank you for your thoughts; very intelligent analysis of the situation.  And as you point out, LRH said that OTs survive best around other OTs and that an OT alone can&#039;t survive well.  Ron proved this in Rhodesia and unfortunately at the end of his life.  And I never knew the point you made about how they were defending and trying NOT to settle up to his death, and then at his death they settled for tons of money. How sad is that.  If DM had settled it earlier, Ron could have been on the lines as he wished and out of hiding.  I hope a book or movie is made of this part of his life, the DM take over, so that it serves as a teaching instrument of how an SP operates and how to spot one and how to never let something like this happen again.]]></description>
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<p>Wendy,  Thank you for your thoughts; very intelligent analysis of the situation.  And as you point out, LRH said that OTs survive best around other OTs and that an OT alone can&#8217;t survive well.  Ron proved this in Rhodesia and unfortunately at the end of his life.  And I never knew the point you made about how they were defending and trying NOT to settle up to his death, and then at his death they settled for tons of money. How sad is that.  If DM had settled it earlier, Ron could have been on the lines as he wished and out of hiding.  I hope a book or movie is made of this part of his life, the DM take over, so that it serves as a teaching instrument of how an SP operates and how to spot one and how to never let something like this happen again.</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13253&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with Oracle!]]></description>
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<p>I agree with Oracle!</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13462&quot;&gt;BareFacedMessiah&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes I have had to come to the same conclusion, Bare Faced, that Ron was human and had human foibles and a case, like everyone else.  I do think at the end he wasn&#039;t in good shape and so may not have been able to do an RJ to us all.  As for &quot;going to a different planet&quot; after he died, there was talk for years before here and there of &quot;Target 2.&quot;  But I never heard a name of the place other than &quot;Target 2.&quot;  Does anyone have more data about where or what Target 2 was?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13462">BareFacedMessiah</a>.</p>
<p>Yes I have had to come to the same conclusion, Bare Faced, that Ron was human and had human foibles and a case, like everyone else.  I do think at the end he wasn&#8217;t in good shape and so may not have been able to do an RJ to us all.  As for &#8220;going to a different planet&#8221; after he died, there was talk for years before here and there of &#8220;Target 2.&#8221;  But I never heard a name of the place other than &#8220;Target 2.&#8221;  Does anyone have more data about where or what Target 2 was?</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13374&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;So, apart from anything else, I would have liked something from LRH in his last days making clear what he thought should happen and what his intentions were, as the OEC, Management Series and the body of work just didnt cut it in my estimation and the shitstorm that ensued could have been prevented and Annie and Sarge, the two most loyal people to him of all, could have been taken care of instead of tossed in the garbage.
But that’s me.&quot;  Mike, well said.  And it&#039;s Me, too!  I think if LRH had been in good shape before he died, he would have made lots of instructions and communications and this whole DM mess wouldn&#039;t have happened if that had been done.  And as you say, Annie and Sarge would have had better lives themselves for sure if LRH had been clear about who or what governing body was to take over and their specifics hats etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-interview-talk-radio-europe/#comment-13374">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;So, apart from anything else, I would have liked something from LRH in his last days making clear what he thought should happen and what his intentions were, as the OEC, Management Series and the body of work just didnt cut it in my estimation and the shitstorm that ensued could have been prevented and Annie and Sarge, the two most loyal people to him of all, could have been taken care of instead of tossed in the garbage.<br />
But that’s me.&#8221;  Mike, well said.  And it&#8217;s Me, too!  I think if LRH had been in good shape before he died, he would have made lots of instructions and communications and this whole DM mess wouldn&#8217;t have happened if that had been done.  And as you say, Annie and Sarge would have had better lives themselves for sure if LRH had been clear about who or what governing body was to take over and their specifics hats etc.</p>
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