Mike, if someone decides to attack what I know works (and as you have posted my reply above and of which I realize your predicament in being non-partisan) then of course I am entitled to say what I think, as you say. I am not attacking anything here – the attacks come in from SL and others and all I am doing is defending, and I would think that most people on the board find such comments boring and annoying. It is not getting anyone anywhere for that reason. I would guess here that about 60-70% of people, if not a higher percent here, would agree with me and thus it is wasting both SL’s time and the time of the people who have to wade through their comments.

But now you are somewhat unintentionedly, granted, making out that I am the “bad guy” here. I am not being fundamentalist at all, perhaps about the technology somewhat, but the fundamentalists are those still inside the Church that have changed the technology and the policy amongst the other nonsense they perpetrate on people, and my wish here is that that is where the attention should be focused – on the real criminality and not to waste people’s time with this stuff.

However, you can let SL and others say these things and sometimes you do reply to them in a moderating or explanatory fashion, but it is then a bit unfair that they can be vitriolic with generally no criticism and yet I draw adverse comments from you when I point out that the vitriol is based on some sort of bypassed charge.The premise about me having all the answers is not quite right as most of what I say is covered in HCOBs etc. and which I have regurgitated but my point now is again that I have observed these things happening in real life so it is not a question of blind faith or fundamentalism but empiric observation.

True, I did say that I would not respond to this sort of comment anymore and I will try again not to do so. Sorry for any bother I cause you as a moderator – really – as I say I realize where you have to draw the line.

I have approved this comment, though I think it really does you more harm than good.

The superior “we know where you are at and what is wrong with you” is unpleasant and unbecoming. It is the language of fundamentalism. “I have ALL the answers, you are clearly ignorant and a sinner because you don’t agree.” This is an ugly trait of religion and it becomes more marked the more fundamentalist the religious person is. It is NOT confined by any means to scientologists. But the language is virtually identical, the terminology just varies between fundamentalist christians, jews, mormons, muslims, Jehovah’s Witnesses, hindus and even buddhists.

Don’t fall into the trap of announcing to the world that YOU have all answers to everything and that anyone who disagrees with you is clearly wrong and a fool or worse, someone to be pitied – based on what YOU believe.

ANd don’t get me wrong, you are absolutely entitled to any belief you wish. And you are entitled to argue about it forever.

I am merely trying to point out that this approach isn’t pretty. The ONLY people that find it so are those of like mind to you. They will pat you on the back and tell you how right you are.

I do not agree with everything people write here. But I do believe that everyone has something to offer the discussion.

I would hope that scientologists outside the bubble of the church would demonstrate a more enlightened approach than those inside.

hgc10 – very good analogy!

Swampland – as you don’t believe the technology works I can therefore ask you with impunity: “Has a withhold been missed?” and you should then get no reaction! You seem to be on some sort of personal vendetta against Hubbard and the technology. Because it hasn’t obviously worked on you does not mean it is not valid – but then you know that deep down don’t you.

Now most of the people on here will realize where you are at and ignore your comments so why don’t do you just stop embarrassing yourself with this vendetta thing? You will feel much better if you just stop doing so and not bothering people with your vitriolic comments which anyone with any knowledge and observations of the tech in real life knows the source of. We are sorry for you that you have bypassed charge of some sort but as you say the tech doesn’t work, so then – don’t worry about it – go and kick the cat or something. My comments somewhat applies to Espiando as well.

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Aqua, very astute comment and right you are! All these over the top wins are just circuits talking. The being is hiding and nowhere to be found.

MJ,
Love it 🙂
Greta

HJ
Hush! ‘Live communication’ has died years ago…..
Greta