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		By: jim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2025 03:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570154&quot;&gt;Geoff&lt;/a&gt;.

NOTE: Scientology folks are reading these blurbs, taking names and preparing for your money request. It looks like we don&#039;t stand a chance in getting are unused money back from this cult. Anyone, please provide a way of getting unused money back from this cult. Please publicly post your information on all and every site you can. They, The Money Cult of Scientology, they DO NOT deserve their existence on &quot;this planet&quot;. We have all seen that blurb about the C.O.S. does not return any money, used, or &quot;on account&quot;. Nevertheless, please some well-off, rich person, try.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570154">Geoff</a>.</p>
<p>NOTE: Scientology folks are reading these blurbs, taking names and preparing for your money request. It looks like we don&#8217;t stand a chance in getting are unused money back from this cult. Anyone, please provide a way of getting unused money back from this cult. Please publicly post your information on all and every site you can. They, The Money Cult of Scientology, they DO NOT deserve their existence on &#8220;this planet&#8221;. We have all seen that blurb about the C.O.S. does not return any money, used, or &#8220;on account&#8221;. Nevertheless, please some well-off, rich person, try.</p>
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		By: james foster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2025 01:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It has been years since I have been on any scientology course or have received auditing. I sure would like to get back ANY money, or unused moneys back from &quot;Flag&quot;.   Was on &quot;Seven&quot;, perhaps for a year. Do not intend to even consider scientology as part of my life now.   Might ship off and do Zazen before I kick the bucket and get a &quot;handle&quot; on things.  Zazen had always been my experience before those reges said &quot;what the Hell is this?&quot; Even told me to stop my daily Yoga.  Something I had done before my daily active work. No religious nor &quot;spiritual&quot; association connection. Purely to help my muscles and bones to be ready for the day. Wife had completed O T Eight. Plus, various &quot;Ls&quot;.She was the real deal.  Sarina passed, (in my arms, literally), this past February 2023. Said &quot;Goodbye&quot;, then left. Simple as that   Next day, stroke put me here, at base hospital. It knocked the crap out of me.  Have NOT heard a word from anyone, nor ANY org re her passing. I am currently considered retired, thanks to my active-duty military years, I&#039;d be in some sort of State hospital, if not for my active duty during those nasty Viet Nam years, Sold homes.  Scientology &quot;got it all&quot; (i,e, money) Gave my saxes and flutes to daughter and grandchildren. Living on a retirement military base in California. At 83 years, roof over my head and 3 square is good enough for me. Friend gave me a wonderful book on composing and arranging music for big band. This will keep me busy for those years to come. Had a lot of experience and fun with big bands and the playing music before, during, and after military. I do not know how to get email. Post, better.        Jim Foster
240 California Drive
Yountville California 94599]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been years since I have been on any scientology course or have received auditing. I sure would like to get back ANY money, or unused moneys back from &#8220;Flag&#8221;.   Was on &#8220;Seven&#8221;, perhaps for a year. Do not intend to even consider scientology as part of my life now.   Might ship off and do Zazen before I kick the bucket and get a &#8220;handle&#8221; on things.  Zazen had always been my experience before those reges said &#8220;what the Hell is this?&#8221; Even told me to stop my daily Yoga.  Something I had done before my daily active work. No religious nor &#8220;spiritual&#8221; association connection. Purely to help my muscles and bones to be ready for the day. Wife had completed O T Eight. Plus, various &#8220;Ls&#8221;.She was the real deal.  Sarina passed, (in my arms, literally), this past February 2023. Said &#8220;Goodbye&#8221;, then left. Simple as that   Next day, stroke put me here, at base hospital. It knocked the crap out of me.  Have NOT heard a word from anyone, nor ANY org re her passing. I am currently considered retired, thanks to my active-duty military years, I&#8217;d be in some sort of State hospital, if not for my active duty during those nasty Viet Nam years, Sold homes.  Scientology &#8220;got it all&#8221; (i,e, money) Gave my saxes and flutes to daughter and grandchildren. Living on a retirement military base in California. At 83 years, roof over my head and 3 square is good enough for me. Friend gave me a wonderful book on composing and arranging music for big band. This will keep me busy for those years to come. Had a lot of experience and fun with big bands and the playing music before, during, and after military. I do not know how to get email. Post, better.        Jim Foster<br />
240 California Drive<br />
Yountville California 94599</p>
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		By: Scamology Dying		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scamology Dying]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2024 14:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570163&quot;&gt;AnEx&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually orgs used to keep a stat called TAP (Total unused Advanced Payments) and it was considered a bad thing to have this stat &quot;increasing&quot;.  But that was back when the CoS gave refunds easily so it was considered a liability accounting wise back then.

(Historic note) Int Management&#039;s push to get rid of AOLA&#039;s HUGE TAP was part of the impetus behind Mike Silverman honoring all those prepurchased OT packages  at original prices that got him busted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570163">AnEx</a>.</p>
<p>Actually orgs used to keep a stat called TAP (Total unused Advanced Payments) and it was considered a bad thing to have this stat &#8220;increasing&#8221;.  But that was back when the CoS gave refunds easily so it was considered a liability accounting wise back then.</p>
<p>(Historic note) Int Management&#8217;s push to get rid of AOLA&#8217;s HUGE TAP was part of the impetus behind Mike Silverman honoring all those prepurchased OT packages  at original prices that got him busted.</p>
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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 17:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570191&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike, wow. Even though I worked in finance, I&#039;ve only just come to understand it now. This reveals the true face of scn, a diabolical scheme deliberately crafted to evade taxes and accumulate money as much as possible. And the most malicious part is intentionally leaving staff and orgs to struggle in this murky water and insolvency, as it serves the &quot;purpose&quot;. Again, wow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570191">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Mike, wow. Even though I worked in finance, I&#8217;ve only just come to understand it now. This reveals the true face of scn, a diabolical scheme deliberately crafted to evade taxes and accumulate money as much as possible. And the most malicious part is intentionally leaving staff and orgs to struggle in this murky water and insolvency, as it serves the &#8220;purpose&#8221;. Again, wow.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 16:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570184&quot;&gt;AnEx&lt;/a&gt;.

This is exactly what happens. Every org owes hundreds of thousands if not millions to &quot;management&quot; for their brilliant guidance and use of the films and to FSO and other higher orgs for training. They are all insolvent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570184">AnEx</a>.</p>
<p>This is exactly what happens. Every org owes hundreds of thousands if not millions to &#8220;management&#8221; for their brilliant guidance and use of the films and to FSO and other higher orgs for training. They are all insolvent.</p>
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		By: Stefan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stefan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 16:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570166&quot;&gt;AnEx&lt;/a&gt;.

No I don´t think it was Graham B. He seems to been a Californian all the the time and I guess his stories with cult in the 80&#039;s would have been mentioned by the Cult itself from their &quot;fan-page &quot; of his.
https://www.whoisgrahamberry.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570166">AnEx</a>.</p>
<p>No I don´t think it was Graham B. He seems to been a Californian all the the time and I guess his stories with cult in the 80&#8217;s would have been mentioned by the Cult itself from their &#8220;fan-page &#8221; of his.<br />
<a href="https://www.whoisgrahamberry.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.whoisgrahamberry.com/</a></p>
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		By: AnEx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnEx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570179&quot;&gt;LoosingMyReligion&lt;/a&gt;.

Each of the orgs is a legal entity on their own and these inter-org billings are actively being used.

In OEC Volume 3, SCIENTOLOGY ORGS TAX AND BALANCE SHEETS, he explains how a corporations balancesheet must always show sufficient debts to avoid becoming taxable for any profit having been made. Could also be called creative accounting or tax avoidance. 

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;... when one makes INCOME be sure it is accounted for as to its source and that one covers it with expenses and debts. Handling taxation is as simple as that.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

This is an LRH policy so cannot ever be changed! It&#039;s a MUST for every org.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570179">LoosingMyReligion</a>.</p>
<p>Each of the orgs is a legal entity on their own and these inter-org billings are actively being used.</p>
<p>In OEC Volume 3, SCIENTOLOGY ORGS TAX AND BALANCE SHEETS, he explains how a corporations balancesheet must always show sufficient debts to avoid becoming taxable for any profit having been made. Could also be called creative accounting or tax avoidance. </p>
<p><b><i>&#8220;&#8230; when one makes INCOME be sure it is accounted for as to its source and that one covers it with expenses and debts. Handling taxation is as simple as that.&#8221;</i></b></p>
<p>This is an LRH policy so cannot ever be changed! It&#8217;s a MUST for every org.</p>
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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LoosingMyReligion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 14:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570163&quot;&gt;AnEx&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly, the F/L&#039;s is also an important point. And if we want to be honest, there are also inter-org bills, which are also a huge mountain to tackle. Technically, an activity like scn is a 360-degree financial risk for the society.
If any company, organization, or even a family-run business were managed in that way, it would go bankrupt within a few months and they would end up in legal trouble (trying to be optimistic). They keep going by pulling in money from some unsuspecting individuals, but their condition continues to deteriorate, and they don&#039;t care at all. As you ay their official accounting s dishonest and perhaps the IRS should start looking into these solvency situations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-570163">AnEx</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly, the F/L&#8217;s is also an important point. And if we want to be honest, there are also inter-org bills, which are also a huge mountain to tackle. Technically, an activity like scn is a 360-degree financial risk for the society.<br />
If any company, organization, or even a family-run business were managed in that way, it would go bankrupt within a few months and they would end up in legal trouble (trying to be optimistic). They keep going by pulling in money from some unsuspecting individuals, but their condition continues to deteriorate, and they don&#8217;t care at all. As you ay their official accounting s dishonest and perhaps the IRS should start looking into these solvency situations.</p>
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		By: AnEx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnEx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 11:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-569893&quot;&gt;Stefan&lt;/a&gt;.

Wasn&#039;t that Graham Berry?

https://tonyortega.org/2019/08/29/another-legal-fight-brewing-over-scientologys-refusal-to-return-future-payments/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-569893">Stefan</a>.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t that Graham Berry?</p>
<p><a href="https://tonyortega.org/2019/08/29/another-legal-fight-brewing-over-scientologys-refusal-to-return-future-payments/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://tonyortega.org/2019/08/29/another-legal-fight-brewing-over-scientologys-refusal-to-return-future-payments/</a></p>
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		By: AnEx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnEx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 11:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-569796&quot;&gt;LoosingMyReligion&lt;/a&gt;.

And isn&#039;t it also the case that non-collected Freeloader bills would have to show up on the asset side of their balancesheets? These bills being issued by the cult certainly look &#039;official&#039; and are quite detailed listing the specific courses and auditing. Yet, we know they will never legally enforce payment. It&#039;s just another example that their official accounting is dishonest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/money-on-account-can-you-ever-get-it-back/#comment-569796">LoosingMyReligion</a>.</p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t it also the case that non-collected Freeloader bills would have to show up on the asset side of their balancesheets? These bills being issued by the cult certainly look &#8216;official&#8217; and are quite detailed listing the specific courses and auditing. Yet, we know they will never legally enforce payment. It&#8217;s just another example that their official accounting is dishonest.</p>
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