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		By: notsohappy		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[IAS is done, now we&#039;re onto Ideal orgs again.

Got this email today.

We now find ourselves at the last week in the series of Maiden Voyage events.

I’m sure that if you managed to see the earlier events you know what your in for on this final event. And  that brings us back to the importance of getting every org to Ideal now as these are the key to planetary clearing as they are bases from which we emanate our 4D programs.

The message is simple - we are asking you put your shoulder to the wheel and support the ANZO alliance by donating to Auckland Ideal Org to make this become an ANZO reality.

We want to hear back from YOU on how you can do this.

GO ANZO GO!!

ML,

Your ANZO TEAM from the International Liaison Office in Los Angeles

Colin Davie, Margy Pearse, Robyn Smith, Cathy Grist, Tony Benson and Zee Fear]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IAS is done, now we&#8217;re onto Ideal orgs again.</p>
<p>Got this email today.</p>
<p>We now find ourselves at the last week in the series of Maiden Voyage events.</p>
<p>I’m sure that if you managed to see the earlier events you know what your in for on this final event. And  that brings us back to the importance of getting every org to Ideal now as these are the key to planetary clearing as they are bases from which we emanate our 4D programs.</p>
<p>The message is simple &#8211; we are asking you put your shoulder to the wheel and support the ANZO alliance by donating to Auckland Ideal Org to make this become an ANZO reality.</p>
<p>We want to hear back from YOU on how you can do this.</p>
<p>GO ANZO GO!!</p>
<p>ML,</p>
<p>Your ANZO TEAM from the International Liaison Office in Los Angeles</p>
<p>Colin Davie, Margy Pearse, Robyn Smith, Cathy Grist, Tony Benson and Zee Fear</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 00:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94715&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re welcome.]]></description>
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<p>You&#8217;re welcome.</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94591&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Mike, the amount of time you spent on this is appreciated. To have this site and do what you do is remarkable enough without questions I&#039;m sure you have gone over countless times. But if you talked to Hubbard personally about NOTs you are a privileged man with inside info, a rare thing. I will bow out satisfied I have my suspicions well in hand now. I have read a number of books and like most things - false and almost true along with speculation is intermingled with the truth. This subject unfortunately is dismal the deeper one goes. 
Best regards also to Brian, thanks for you reply. I image that image of Arthur Hubbard and his response would have been most unsettling.
Cheers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94591">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Mike, the amount of time you spent on this is appreciated. To have this site and do what you do is remarkable enough without questions I&#8217;m sure you have gone over countless times. But if you talked to Hubbard personally about NOTs you are a privileged man with inside info, a rare thing. I will bow out satisfied I have my suspicions well in hand now. I have read a number of books and like most things &#8211; false and almost true along with speculation is intermingled with the truth. This subject unfortunately is dismal the deeper one goes.<br />
Best regards also to Brian, thanks for you reply. I image that image of Arthur Hubbard and his response would have been most unsettling.<br />
Cheers</p>
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		By: Beryl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One has unlimited ability to ask for donations when one does not have to account for the money raised. What a racket!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One has unlimited ability to ask for donations when one does not have to account for the money raised. What a racket!</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94663</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94650&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Brian, The Rats are blocking me today! I thought I would try here in answer to a post you wrote concerning caused mental forms being held hostage by someone in authority.I suppose my whole this life, I have had that happen on a lower level with parents,siblings,teachers,doctors,those I love &#038; those I don&#039;t.Yet Ron/David were are two of the best at this.I do not do psycho-babble to figure out why I let myself willingly give up that most guarded part of my body,my mind.One of the reasons has to do with when I left SO in 79-80&#039;my late Dad sent me two times a week to the most obnoxious psychiatrist cos Deprogrammer around.His theory was give me as much sleeping pills relaxing pills forget about it pills as I could take without ODing,so I would forget the SO.Well did not work at all. The pills just made me numb &#038; sick.I learned to flush them away &#038; fake taking them.Pretty easy to do once you learn the guy&#039;s drill,because all his drugs &#038; incessant droning on about nothing only made my SO memories worse.So I knew that I certainly was not staying on that path.After all this I literally closed down into myself for years &#038; years.That is why Mike &#038; family &#038; all here pulled me up and out of that jail,I had built around me to keep pain out.Now I&#039;m bring it on I need to look at all that happened to me.Thank you both so much.Ann.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94650">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Brian, The Rats are blocking me today! I thought I would try here in answer to a post you wrote concerning caused mental forms being held hostage by someone in authority.I suppose my whole this life, I have had that happen on a lower level with parents,siblings,teachers,doctors,those I love &amp; those I don&#8217;t.Yet Ron/David were are two of the best at this.I do not do psycho-babble to figure out why I let myself willingly give up that most guarded part of my body,my mind.One of the reasons has to do with when I left SO in 79-80&#8217;my late Dad sent me two times a week to the most obnoxious psychiatrist cos Deprogrammer around.His theory was give me as much sleeping pills relaxing pills forget about it pills as I could take without ODing,so I would forget the SO.Well did not work at all. The pills just made me numb &amp; sick.I learned to flush them away &amp; fake taking them.Pretty easy to do once you learn the guy&#8217;s drill,because all his drugs &amp; incessant droning on about nothing only made my SO memories worse.So I knew that I certainly was not staying on that path.After all this I literally closed down into myself for years &amp; years.That is why Mike &amp; family &amp; all here pulled me up and out of that jail,I had built around me to keep pain out.Now I&#8217;m bring it on I need to look at all that happened to me.Thank you both so much.Ann.<br />
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94591&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

I Yawnalot, Arthur Hubbard came over to my house in Hollywood in early 80s. We were so excited to see him. We were star struck really, but very natural at the same time.

I remember asking him about his dad. I asked him,&quot;please Arthur, won&#039;t you tell us a story about Ron?&quot;

Arthur Hubbard looked down at the floor, I sensed embarrassment and shame but denied it, he did not look at us and said,

&quot;I don&#039;t see much of my father, we only see him at dinner on special occasions.&quot;

We were all true believers at the time and out faith did not ask any further questions. 

But his response to us haunted me for a while. But I never aloud myself to ponder his very sad looking response.

It was an unsettled sadness and shame that I saw on his face.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94591">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>I Yawnalot, Arthur Hubbard came over to my house in Hollywood in early 80s. We were so excited to see him. We were star struck really, but very natural at the same time.</p>
<p>I remember asking him about his dad. I asked him,&#8221;please Arthur, won&#8217;t you tell us a story about Ron?&#8221;</p>
<p>Arthur Hubbard looked down at the floor, I sensed embarrassment and shame but denied it, he did not look at us and said,</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t see much of my father, we only see him at dinner on special occasions.&#8221;</p>
<p>We were all true believers at the time and out faith did not ask any further questions. </p>
<p>But his response to us haunted me for a while. But I never aloud myself to ponder his very sad looking response.</p>
<p>It was an unsettled sadness and shame that I saw on his face.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94650&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

Not going to waste any more time explaining things to you. 

Nobody ever said Hubbard didn&#039;t see his family after the early 70&#039;s. That you &quot;just don&#039;t buy it&quot; doesnt change reality. 

You should read some books -- start with Going Clear and Russell Miller&#039;s extremely well documented and researched biography of L. Ron Hubbard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94650">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>Not going to waste any more time explaining things to you. </p>
<p>Nobody ever said Hubbard didn&#8217;t see his family after the early 70&#8217;s. That you &#8220;just don&#8217;t buy it&#8221; doesnt change reality. </p>
<p>You should read some books &#8212; start with Going Clear and Russell Miller&#8217;s extremely well documented and researched biography of L. Ron Hubbard.</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann B Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94568&quot;&gt;Valerie&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Brian,Thank you for this post.Goodness no,you could have been in the SO one week &#038; had more experience than I did!Sometimes posting leaves out inflection &#038; visual clues as to mind set when speaking.I never meant to imply I was better than you at all. Saving the world was right up our alley.Love to you both Ann.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94568">Valerie</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Brian,Thank you for this post.Goodness no,you could have been in the SO one week &amp; had more experience than I did!Sometimes posting leaves out inflection &amp; visual clues as to mind set when speaking.I never meant to imply I was better than you at all. Saving the world was right up our alley.Love to you both Ann.</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94591&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess a logical question I forgot to add was - what is this about Hubbard never seeing his family again from the early 70s? Seems unbelievable that question would even raise itself concerning a guy who had access to more money than he could ever spend and unlimited staff members who wouldn&#039;t hesitate to turn any wish he had into their command. I just don&#039;t buy he hid from the authorities and couldn&#039;t reunite with family.  It leads to an easy summation of who is running who or was he simply insane and if so who were his minder(s) that denied his family visitation and controlled his comm lines? And if he was insane or going that way - well... what was his tech he developed with Mayo then?. The conjecture just runs and runs with this subject. So much bs, so little else.
Interesting that you spoke to him personally about NOTs, how old were you then? And I just have to ask - are you telling me that Hubbard told you NOTs is OT5 to OT7? That is the new Bridge as stipulated by Hubbard?
I guess the thing that stands out the most is the amount of hidden data lines regarding Hubbard&#039;s life and the tech of the 70s yet it was his pet peeve he stated more than once &quot;no hidden data line exists within the technology of Scientology, it&#039;s all in your materials&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94591">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>I guess a logical question I forgot to add was &#8211; what is this about Hubbard never seeing his family again from the early 70s? Seems unbelievable that question would even raise itself concerning a guy who had access to more money than he could ever spend and unlimited staff members who wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to turn any wish he had into their command. I just don&#8217;t buy he hid from the authorities and couldn&#8217;t reunite with family.  It leads to an easy summation of who is running who or was he simply insane and if so who were his minder(s) that denied his family visitation and controlled his comm lines? And if he was insane or going that way &#8211; well&#8230; what was his tech he developed with Mayo then?. The conjecture just runs and runs with this subject. So much bs, so little else.<br />
Interesting that you spoke to him personally about NOTs, how old were you then? And I just have to ask &#8211; are you telling me that Hubbard told you NOTs is OT5 to OT7? That is the new Bridge as stipulated by Hubbard?<br />
I guess the thing that stands out the most is the amount of hidden data lines regarding Hubbard&#8217;s life and the tech of the 70s yet it was his pet peeve he stated more than once &#8220;no hidden data line exists within the technology of Scientology, it&#8217;s all in your materials&#8221;.</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2015 04:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94591&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Mike. I sort of have a list of questions going around and around  I try to gather info on. You were there(ish) so I can&#039;t ask much more than what you saw and heard.
I have no doubt NOTs is something Hubbard cooked up, sorry to put it in a way that sounded like he knew nothing of them. I guess the frustration of doing SNOTs for a number of years and getting zip out it, Seeing countless people not enjoying it, and a lot blew the level as well as the church. I did OK up until NOTs but definitely off church lines after that. Then I go off and do R6EW and wow, there&#039;s the TAA I never got on NOTs. &quot;Funest&quot; process I&#039;ve ever run. I more or less think NOTs was never intended to be an OT Level at all more like exp 3 or something like a personalised assist pgm. As far as I&#039;m concerned NOTs is folly and tops the list of things to avoid.
It&#039;s a personal perspective thing I guess but I&#039;ve never been involved in a subject with so many experts and counter information flying about than scientology. But I know what I see in front of me and very seldom take anyone&#039;s word for anything regarding scientology.
Thanks for your reply too Brian. What it must have been like uplines in those days I can only guess at (but glad I wasn&#039;t there nonetheless - it was a bitch enough being a techie where I was in my time).
It&#039;s all hypothetical now anyway, the church is defunct and that&#039;s good and it&#039;s all a fairy-tale I just did (once upon a time).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ilo-vultures/#comment-94591">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Mike. I sort of have a list of questions going around and around  I try to gather info on. You were there(ish) so I can&#8217;t ask much more than what you saw and heard.<br />
I have no doubt NOTs is something Hubbard cooked up, sorry to put it in a way that sounded like he knew nothing of them. I guess the frustration of doing SNOTs for a number of years and getting zip out it, Seeing countless people not enjoying it, and a lot blew the level as well as the church. I did OK up until NOTs but definitely off church lines after that. Then I go off and do R6EW and wow, there&#8217;s the TAA I never got on NOTs. &#8220;Funest&#8221; process I&#8217;ve ever run. I more or less think NOTs was never intended to be an OT Level at all more like exp 3 or something like a personalised assist pgm. As far as I&#8217;m concerned NOTs is folly and tops the list of things to avoid.<br />
It&#8217;s a personal perspective thing I guess but I&#8217;ve never been involved in a subject with so many experts and counter information flying about than scientology. But I know what I see in front of me and very seldom take anyone&#8217;s word for anything regarding scientology.<br />
Thanks for your reply too Brian. What it must have been like uplines in those days I can only guess at (but glad I wasn&#8217;t there nonetheless &#8211; it was a bitch enough being a techie where I was in my time).<br />
It&#8217;s all hypothetical now anyway, the church is defunct and that&#8217;s good and it&#8217;s all a fairy-tale I just did (once upon a time).</p>
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