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		By: Non-fatty no thetan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577856&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you very much Mr. Rinder. I had come across the  fact that Mayo had been a &#039;squirrel&#039; before, but assumed it was only after fatty was dead. 

I do buy books, in fact too many, bought &#039;Bare-Faced&#039; in hard-cover soon after its release. Have to consider buying yours. However, I am allergic to Amazon, never bought a book other than from a bookshop or other physical outlet. 

Am serious about Vidal&#039;s Messiah, it&#039;s quite a good novel. The first-person character was next to the top of the new cult. 

In the U.S.A., i am sure that you could get it through inter-library loan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577856">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you very much Mr. Rinder. I had come across the  fact that Mayo had been a &#8216;squirrel&#8217; before, but assumed it was only after fatty was dead. </p>
<p>I do buy books, in fact too many, bought &#8216;Bare-Faced&#8217; in hard-cover soon after its release. Have to consider buying yours. However, I am allergic to Amazon, never bought a book other than from a bookshop or other physical outlet. </p>
<p>Am serious about Vidal&#8217;s Messiah, it&#8217;s quite a good novel. The first-person character was next to the top of the new cult. </p>
<p>In the U.S.A., i am sure that you could get it through inter-library loan.</p>
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		By: unelectedfloofgoofer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The church sure tries to appear saintly, by only saying things in its promotions that make them look more respectable than almost any other organization. Any casual readers of these promos (who don&#039;t know better) will think they are a truly holy and sacred group.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The church sure tries to appear saintly, by only saying things in its promotions that make them look more respectable than almost any other organization. Any casual readers of these promos (who don&#8217;t know better) will think they are a truly holy and sacred group.</p>
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		By: Non-fatty no thetan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Non-fatty no thetan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 15:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577756&quot;&gt;GL&lt;/a&gt;.

That is exagerrated, but fatty does seem to have avoided war service altogether, his medical complaints seem to exactly coincide with his assignment to a ship that may have met combat. LRH, the  war hero, LOLLOLLOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577756">GL</a>.</p>
<p>That is exagerrated, but fatty does seem to have avoided war service altogether, his medical complaints seem to exactly coincide with his assignment to a ship that may have met combat. LRH, the  war hero, LOLLOLLOL!</p>
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		By: Non-fatty no thetan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577856&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you. However, as I say, the gap between CMO ops supporting Miscarriage (1982) and the death of fatt(y 1986) is strange.  

Broeker and his wife were appointed rulers of the cult. 

He vanished, she was RFP until broken. 

Mayo, personal auditor to fatty, Suppose that he&#039;s dead of old age long ago.

I am a never in, however, I sincerely recommend Messiah by Gore Vidal, if you haven&#039;t read it, it isn&#039;t just his usual anti-Christian rants, as I said in an earlier post, all of the cast in the Vidal novel are first-gen. nuts, in Scn? 

You would be fourth or fifth gen., as would be Miscarriage. 

Not to say that I have any admiration for fatty, except for some of his pulp fiction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577856">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you. However, as I say, the gap between CMO ops supporting Miscarriage (1982) and the death of fatt(y 1986) is strange.  </p>
<p>Broeker and his wife were appointed rulers of the cult. </p>
<p>He vanished, she was RFP until broken. </p>
<p>Mayo, personal auditor to fatty, Suppose that he&#8217;s dead of old age long ago.</p>
<p>I am a never in, however, I sincerely recommend Messiah by Gore Vidal, if you haven&#8217;t read it, it isn&#8217;t just his usual anti-Christian rants, as I said in an earlier post, all of the cast in the Vidal novel are first-gen. nuts, in Scn? </p>
<p>You would be fourth or fifth gen., as would be Miscarriage. </p>
<p>Not to say that I have any admiration for fatty, except for some of his pulp fiction.</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 02:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577756&quot;&gt;GL&lt;/a&gt;.

Wrong! Someone as theta as LRH would have single handed deployed the Holy Hand Grenade as he was the actual author of the Book of Armaments!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577756">GL</a>.</p>
<p>Wrong! Someone as theta as LRH would have single handed deployed the Holy Hand Grenade as he was the actual author of the Book of Armaments!</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 00:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577834&quot;&gt;Non-fatty no thetan&lt;/a&gt;.

Mayo was gone well before Hubbard shuffled off his mortal coil -- in fact there is an issue written by Hubbard declaring him a &quot;squirrel.&quot; 

I write about Miscavige&#039;s assumption of power in my book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577834">Non-fatty no thetan</a>.</p>
<p>Mayo was gone well before Hubbard shuffled off his mortal coil &#8212; in fact there is an issue written by Hubbard declaring him a &#8220;squirrel.&#8221; </p>
<p>I write about Miscavige&#8217;s assumption of power in my book.</p>
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		By: Non-fatty no thetan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2024 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577742&quot;&gt;GL&lt;/a&gt;.

&#039;Nasty and horrible racist&#039;: that is just standard-order wooden thinking, Hubbard deservers better invective than that. 

His earlier two wives did it better, as did one of his side-flings: insane, paranoid, schizophrenic, sadist. 

Our host, from my reading of the history, was from the &#039;Commodore&#039;s Messenger Organisation&#039;, and while Pat and Annie Broeker had been awarded a special rank, which should have made Broeker the new leader, it didn&#039;t work. Next in line should have been Mayo, as Elron&#039;s personal auditor. 

So, our host was part of the CMO cabal which brought Miscavige to power.   

Hubbard&#039;s death was in 1986, but from my reading, the cabal to enthrone Miscarriage was in place by 1982. 

One may be sure that he regrets it, but I am yet to read anything on that point. 

As a never-in, but sometime annoyer of Scn.,     I find it fascinating at times. 

When the chanology protests were on, I went, but decided I didn&#039;t want to stand and shout, so I just went and entered the Org., wandered about, spoke politely with a few members, marvelled at the Crowleyite satanic cross and the giant photo of fatty, looked around their lobby, flicked through some pamphlets, got bored, and  left. 

Encouraged a few Chanoligists who felt I&#039;d been a traitor for entering the org and done nothlng detructive inside the lobby, mounted my bicycle, and just cycled home. 

Fatty did write some great pulp fiction (not his later works like Battlefield Earth), so there is that. 

I would recommend that everyone here read the novel Messiah by Gore Vidal. 

It&#039;s not at all meant as an analogy of Scn, but an inversion of Christianity, it&#039;s a death cult. 

The contrast with Scientology is interesting, in Vidal&#039;s Messiah, the same basic group rides the rocket. 

Scn is another matter, when our host and others decided to run the coup for David Miscarriage, it was a fourth or fifth generation of bosses. 

Except for Fatty, all leaders  from the earlier stages had left, been exiled, expelled, or sent to the RFP. Jentsch as one possible exception, but purely as a figurehead. 

Even the e-meter is a fake, the original one was from an independent-minded man who wouldn&#039;t hand over his patent, so there was suddenly no e-meter for three or four years until fatty found a couple of dupes who were smart enough to design a new version that didn&#039;t infringe upon the patents of the earlier device.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-lying-hype-hubbard-scientology-and-the-cradle-of-humankind/#comment-577742">GL</a>.</p>
<p>&#8216;Nasty and horrible racist&#8217;: that is just standard-order wooden thinking, Hubbard deservers better invective than that. </p>
<p>His earlier two wives did it better, as did one of his side-flings: insane, paranoid, schizophrenic, sadist. </p>
<p>Our host, from my reading of the history, was from the &#8216;Commodore&#8217;s Messenger Organisation&#8217;, and while Pat and Annie Broeker had been awarded a special rank, which should have made Broeker the new leader, it didn&#8217;t work. Next in line should have been Mayo, as Elron&#8217;s personal auditor. </p>
<p>So, our host was part of the CMO cabal which brought Miscavige to power.   </p>
<p>Hubbard&#8217;s death was in 1986, but from my reading, the cabal to enthrone Miscarriage was in place by 1982. </p>
<p>One may be sure that he regrets it, but I am yet to read anything on that point. </p>
<p>As a never-in, but sometime annoyer of Scn.,     I find it fascinating at times. </p>
<p>When the chanology protests were on, I went, but decided I didn&#8217;t want to stand and shout, so I just went and entered the Org., wandered about, spoke politely with a few members, marvelled at the Crowleyite satanic cross and the giant photo of fatty, looked around their lobby, flicked through some pamphlets, got bored, and  left. </p>
<p>Encouraged a few Chanoligists who felt I&#8217;d been a traitor for entering the org and done nothlng detructive inside the lobby, mounted my bicycle, and just cycled home. </p>
<p>Fatty did write some great pulp fiction (not his later works like Battlefield Earth), so there is that. </p>
<p>I would recommend that everyone here read the novel Messiah by Gore Vidal. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not at all meant as an analogy of Scn, but an inversion of Christianity, it&#8217;s a death cult. </p>
<p>The contrast with Scientology is interesting, in Vidal&#8217;s Messiah, the same basic group rides the rocket. </p>
<p>Scn is another matter, when our host and others decided to run the coup for David Miscarriage, it was a fourth or fifth generation of bosses. </p>
<p>Except for Fatty, all leaders  from the earlier stages had left, been exiled, expelled, or sent to the RFP. Jentsch as one possible exception, but purely as a figurehead. </p>
<p>Even the e-meter is a fake, the original one was from an independent-minded man who wouldn&#8217;t hand over his patent, so there was suddenly no e-meter for three or four years until fatty found a couple of dupes who were smart enough to design a new version that didn&#8217;t infringe upon the patents of the earlier device.</p>
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		By: aldeboni		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2024 12:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have studied the SHSBC... and know how LRH defined GPM... and how he went on the way to define it as the grand problem... I do not know how he found BTs as the general problem of humans.., or as the generell problem of the universe... such a transfer of beings is practically basically impossibly... it means, if connected with a living being... every one of them would wake up to some degree... simply because of the havingness connected to... so OT 3 makes some sense... in sight of a GPM... but OT 4, 5, 6, 7 does not, only in one sight - namely that ist builds a never solveable GPM for everyone who believes in this stuff... it means - you will never found an invisible unconcious being... a being which has no havingness in any part - but you can have the idea of such beings... I called that once &quot;Lost Souls&quot;... which was an old religion on the track... and LRH idea about BTs may stem from there... but in the old books, Lost Souls are only in the mind of living beings... and the loss of them is what everybody did harm... and you can heal it only with more Love and which means the flow of love... but BTs as described are at first dangerous beings for you... Not true... surely not... BTs are only a build up GPM, also makes a Goal and a Problem... but a problem which can never be solved... because it is real not there... it is not there... something else is there... but is missed...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have studied the SHSBC&#8230; and know how LRH defined GPM&#8230; and how he went on the way to define it as the grand problem&#8230; I do not know how he found BTs as the general problem of humans.., or as the generell problem of the universe&#8230; such a transfer of beings is practically basically impossibly&#8230; it means, if connected with a living being&#8230; every one of them would wake up to some degree&#8230; simply because of the havingness connected to&#8230; so OT 3 makes some sense&#8230; in sight of a GPM&#8230; but OT 4, 5, 6, 7 does not, only in one sight &#8211; namely that ist builds a never solveable GPM for everyone who believes in this stuff&#8230; it means &#8211; you will never found an invisible unconcious being&#8230; a being which has no havingness in any part &#8211; but you can have the idea of such beings&#8230; I called that once &#8220;Lost Souls&#8221;&#8230; which was an old religion on the track&#8230; and LRH idea about BTs may stem from there&#8230; but in the old books, Lost Souls are only in the mind of living beings&#8230; and the loss of them is what everybody did harm&#8230; and you can heal it only with more Love and which means the flow of love&#8230; but BTs as described are at first dangerous beings for you&#8230; Not true&#8230; surely not&#8230; BTs are only a build up GPM, also makes a Goal and a Problem&#8230; but a problem which can never be solved&#8230; because it is real not there&#8230; it is not there&#8230; something else is there&#8230; but is missed&#8230;</p>
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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Certainly, besides thinking it, he said it to impress the South African government and a certain affluent class.

In my opinion, he was someone who had serious and convoluted issues relating to his self-concept. And all the &quot;excavations&quot; done on the &#039;whole track&#039; and who knows what other &quot;researches electonically tested&quot; only worsened things even further.

He is presented as someone who studied the Vedic texts (in Sanskrit or translated?) and took inspiration from these to formulate scn. Really? He certainly didn&#039;t understand anything as everything about scn goes in a direction totally opposite to the Vedas, starting from spiritualness and respect for others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly, besides thinking it, he said it to impress the South African government and a certain affluent class.</p>
<p>In my opinion, he was someone who had serious and convoluted issues relating to his self-concept. And all the &#8220;excavations&#8221; done on the &#8216;whole track&#8217; and who knows what other &#8220;researches electonically tested&#8221; only worsened things even further.</p>
<p>He is presented as someone who studied the Vedic texts (in Sanskrit or translated?) and took inspiration from these to formulate scn. Really? He certainly didn&#8217;t understand anything as everything about scn goes in a direction totally opposite to the Vedas, starting from spiritualness and respect for others.</p>
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		By: Non-fatty no thetan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hubbard&#039;s first attempt at really influencing/taking over a government was in Rhodesia. Scientology was kicked out PDQ. 

As was the case in Morocco, over ten years later.  

However, they seem to have reached the goal in Clearwater, Florida, and that town in England.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubbard&#8217;s first attempt at really influencing/taking over a government was in Rhodesia. Scientology was kicked out PDQ. </p>
<p>As was the case in Morocco, over ten years later.  </p>
<p>However, they seem to have reached the goal in Clearwater, Florida, and that town in England.</p>
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