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		By: Shameful Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221; Destroying Justice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shameful Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221; Destroying Justice]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] They persuade overwhelmed Judges to take the easiest way out. And in the case of these plaintiffs, they argued that the plaintiffs had signed agreements that required them to be sent to &#8220;religious arbitration.&#8221; I have written about the insanity of this previously. Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221; &#8211; Giving Kangaroo Courts a Bad Name and More on Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221; [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] They persuade overwhelmed Judges to take the easiest way out. And in the case of these plaintiffs, they argued that the plaintiffs had signed agreements that required them to be sent to &#8220;religious arbitration.&#8221; I have written about the insanity of this previously. Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221; &#8211; Giving Kangaroo Courts a Bad Name and More on Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Matthew Aldrich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Aldrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2021 07:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379394&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

And another element of LRH&#039;s brilliantly woven tapestry of smoke, mirrors, false exits, trap doors, half-truths, blatant lies, and scams, which have protected it from consequences, legal and otherwise. However, to quote MLK, &quot;the moral arc of the universe is long but it bends towards justice,&quot; and thanks to the courageous efforts of you, Leah, Tony Ortega, Paulette Cooper, Alex Gibney, and countless other people of integrity, this is taking place in the Church of Scientology; it is a dam with many holes, which become yet more numerous as critique of Scientology becomes yet more normalized with each voice, however large or small, that speaks out in truth against it.  Their days as a &quot;religious corporation&quot; are numbered, and considering their unconscionable greed, THEY CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!!!  P.S. Thank you, Mike, for the great show. I am almost done with watching all three seasons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379394">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>And another element of LRH&#8217;s brilliantly woven tapestry of smoke, mirrors, false exits, trap doors, half-truths, blatant lies, and scams, which have protected it from consequences, legal and otherwise. However, to quote MLK, &#8220;the moral arc of the universe is long but it bends towards justice,&#8221; and thanks to the courageous efforts of you, Leah, Tony Ortega, Paulette Cooper, Alex Gibney, and countless other people of integrity, this is taking place in the Church of Scientology; it is a dam with many holes, which become yet more numerous as critique of Scientology becomes yet more normalized with each voice, however large or small, that speaks out in truth against it.  Their days as a &#8220;religious corporation&#8221; are numbered, and considering their unconscionable greed, THEY CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!!!  P.S. Thank you, Mike, for the great show. I am almost done with watching all three seasons.</p>
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		By: Episode 29: Journalist Tony Ortega		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Episode 29: Journalist Tony Ortega]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2021 12:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] ordering former scientologists to undergo this &#8220;religious&#8221; ritual. The latest was More on Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221; which included a legal analysis from a Law Professor, and followed an earlier piece entitled [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] ordering former scientologists to undergo this &#8220;religious&#8221; ritual. The latest was More on Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221; which included a legal analysis from a Law Professor, and followed an earlier piece entitled [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Princess Leila		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Princess Leila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2021 13:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For crying out loud! There is a reason why government and law are separated from the Church! To avoid exactly that - no matter the religion, a rape is a crime. Period. How can it asked to be fixed by the people claiming it did not happen? And, wait, so if a Scientologist kills another Scientologist ?

I want to puke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For crying out loud! There is a reason why government and law are separated from the Church! To avoid exactly that &#8211; no matter the religion, a rape is a crime. Period. How can it asked to be fixed by the people claiming it did not happen? And, wait, so if a Scientologist kills another Scientologist ?</p>
<p>I want to puke.</p>
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		By: Balletlady		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379485</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Balletlady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2021 14:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379394&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course, their &quot;sticky wicket&quot;.....as I noted to cover their asses in the event of a sexual assault claim by a former member.....they are bullying members to sign that agreement so that they have to &quot;litigate&quot; through their OWN JUSTICE SYSTEM first.....it&#039;s a win win for them all around. 

You are already declared an SP, already disconnected from your family, friends &#038; former associates who can  no longer have anything to do with you......the icing on the cake is adding insult to injury....to have to face these same individuals who tortured you for years while you were a full fledged member. After you have been loyal enough to Pay Pay Pay for a non existent bridge to nowhere, be placed in &quot;the hole&quot; not enough food, never enough pay for some extras in life, no savings, no insurance, no nothing while a member &#038; even less when you leave &#038; face disconnection then held to an age old  &quot;binding agreement&quot;...disgusting.

Fed  up with having to face the perpetrators &quot;defense team&quot;, i.e. best friends &#038; long time dedicated church officials who now have turned their backs on you....having to discuss with their &quot;defense team&quot; each &#038; every detail again and again as in &quot;why did you put YOURSELF in THAT position&quot;.....while they grin &#038; drool seeing you twitch in embarrassment etc.....sickening. 

How can anyone be strong enough to go through all of that, &#038; then add to it, a long wait for a court case to be scheduled/held.  My heart goes out to all of these women who&#039;ve endured &#038; lived with what was done to them.

If there truly IS any good in this world....justice will be served in a LEGIT COURT OF LAW.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379394">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Of course, their &#8220;sticky wicket&#8221;&#8230;..as I noted to cover their asses in the event of a sexual assault claim by a former member&#8230;..they are bullying members to sign that agreement so that they have to &#8220;litigate&#8221; through their OWN JUSTICE SYSTEM first&#8230;..it&#8217;s a win win for them all around. </p>
<p>You are already declared an SP, already disconnected from your family, friends &amp; former associates who can  no longer have anything to do with you&#8230;&#8230;the icing on the cake is adding insult to injury&#8230;.to have to face these same individuals who tortured you for years while you were a full fledged member. After you have been loyal enough to Pay Pay Pay for a non existent bridge to nowhere, be placed in &#8220;the hole&#8221; not enough food, never enough pay for some extras in life, no savings, no insurance, no nothing while a member &amp; even less when you leave &amp; face disconnection then held to an age old  &#8220;binding agreement&#8221;&#8230;disgusting.</p>
<p>Fed  up with having to face the perpetrators &#8220;defense team&#8221;, i.e. best friends &amp; long time dedicated church officials who now have turned their backs on you&#8230;.having to discuss with their &#8220;defense team&#8221; each &amp; every detail again and again as in &#8220;why did you put YOURSELF in THAT position&#8221;&#8230;..while they grin &amp; drool seeing you twitch in embarrassment etc&#8230;..sickening. </p>
<p>How can anyone be strong enough to go through all of that, &amp; then add to it, a long wait for a court case to be scheduled/held.  My heart goes out to all of these women who&#8217;ve endured &amp; lived with what was done to them.</p>
<p>If there truly IS any good in this world&#8230;.justice will be served in a LEGIT COURT OF LAW.</p>
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		By: Susan Harbison		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2021 23:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379258&quot;&gt;Jenyfurrr&lt;/a&gt;.

If a contract contains an arbitration clause and you want to attack the underlying contract, you have to do so in arbitration.  

&quot;I wish the 11th Circuit would suddenly issue their review of the Garcia case so others may cite that, going forward.&quot;

That may be precisely why the 11th Circuit is dragging its feet deciding the appeal.   If the 11th Circuit decides there is a fatal flaw in the  Garcia&#039;s arb provision, and that same flaw exists in the Haney and Bixler et al. provisions, those two cases can move for reconsideration.  I am not sure they can do that once the arbitration process begins in either case.

Marsy&#039;s law creates victims&#039; rights in the criminal justice process but has no application to the civil process.  Even if it did apply to a civil process, Marsy&#039;s law does not change the fact that an accused individual has the right to face his accuser during a legal proceeding.  

If an arbitration plaintiff is concerned about safety during the arbitration proceeding she can ask the court to order that safety measures are taken during the arbitration.

If Masterson decides to defend himself either at the criminal trial or any civil proceeding, the victims will have to speak directly to him. The few women that survived attacks by Ted Bundy, had to answer directly to him when they testified at his criminal trial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379258">Jenyfurrr</a>.</p>
<p>If a contract contains an arbitration clause and you want to attack the underlying contract, you have to do so in arbitration.  </p>
<p>&#8220;I wish the 11th Circuit would suddenly issue their review of the Garcia case so others may cite that, going forward.&#8221;</p>
<p>That may be precisely why the 11th Circuit is dragging its feet deciding the appeal.   If the 11th Circuit decides there is a fatal flaw in the  Garcia&#8217;s arb provision, and that same flaw exists in the Haney and Bixler et al. provisions, those two cases can move for reconsideration.  I am not sure they can do that once the arbitration process begins in either case.</p>
<p>Marsy&#8217;s law creates victims&#8217; rights in the criminal justice process but has no application to the civil process.  Even if it did apply to a civil process, Marsy&#8217;s law does not change the fact that an accused individual has the right to face his accuser during a legal proceeding.  </p>
<p>If an arbitration plaintiff is concerned about safety during the arbitration proceeding she can ask the court to order that safety measures are taken during the arbitration.</p>
<p>If Masterson decides to defend himself either at the criminal trial or any civil proceeding, the victims will have to speak directly to him. The few women that survived attacks by Ted Bundy, had to answer directly to him when they testified at his criminal trial.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2021 18:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379389&quot;&gt;Lorraine&lt;/a&gt;.

Because the Catholic church doesnt have people sign agreements to take any and all disputes to religious arbitration...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379389">Lorraine</a>.</p>
<p>Because the Catholic church doesnt have people sign agreements to take any and all disputes to religious arbitration&#8230;</p>
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		By: Lorraine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorraine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s because I am a &quot;never in&quot;....that this isn&#039;t understood .BUT.......even the children who were sexually abused/raped at the hands of the Priests within the bonds of the Catholic Church were able to press LEGAL CHARGES &#038; SUE &#038; WIN $$$$ for the sexual abuse/rapes they endured.

WHY is COS any different?  Religious Arbitration is no more than a BLOCK to cover their own ASSES so that they can&#039;t be sued. They will use every way they can to prevent JUSTICE from  being served on the perpetrators of these crimes. They have the $$ to drag these cases out for eternity in the hopes that the person the accuser gets fed up, broke &#038; then gives up.

Time to bring this to fruition, Danny Masterson MUST FACE A COURT......GUILTY OR INNOCENT(?) .....just WHAT is he afraid of????   

If one is TRULY INNOCENT just why wouldn&#039;t Masterson WANT to WILLINGLY go to court to PROVE THAT HE IS  INNOCENT/NOT GUILTY??

IF YOU&#039;VE NOTHING TO HIDE...............YOU HIDE NOTHING!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because I am a &#8220;never in&#8221;&#8230;.that this isn&#8217;t understood .BUT&#8230;&#8230;.even the children who were sexually abused/raped at the hands of the Priests within the bonds of the Catholic Church were able to press LEGAL CHARGES &amp; SUE &amp; WIN $$$$ for the sexual abuse/rapes they endured.</p>
<p>WHY is COS any different?  Religious Arbitration is no more than a BLOCK to cover their own ASSES so that they can&#8217;t be sued. They will use every way they can to prevent JUSTICE from  being served on the perpetrators of these crimes. They have the $$ to drag these cases out for eternity in the hopes that the person the accuser gets fed up, broke &amp; then gives up.</p>
<p>Time to bring this to fruition, Danny Masterson MUST FACE A COURT&#8230;&#8230;GUILTY OR INNOCENT(?) &#8230;..just WHAT is he afraid of????   </p>
<p>If one is TRULY INNOCENT just why wouldn&#8217;t Masterson WANT to WILLINGLY go to court to PROVE THAT HE IS  INNOCENT/NOT GUILTY??</p>
<p>IF YOU&#039;VE NOTHING TO HIDE&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;YOU HIDE NOTHING!!!!!</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379258&quot;&gt;Jenyfurrr&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree: IF she&#039;s been &quot;kicked out&quot; -- where&#039;s the goldenrod? -- WHY should she be subject to their rules?

In his article, Mike said:
&quot;...Scientology could remedy the limited scope of their agreement by simply including a delegation clause in their boilerplate arbitration agreements.&quot;
WHY would scientology want to do anything like that?  It&#039;s sufficiently murky and indistinct to serve their purposes as it is. AND it&#039;s already been WILDLY successful in derailing suits scientology doesn&#039;t want to confront, which is ALL of them, AFAICT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-on-scientology-religious-arbitration/#comment-379258">Jenyfurrr</a>.</p>
<p>I agree: IF she&#8217;s been &#8220;kicked out&#8221; &#8212; where&#8217;s the goldenrod? &#8212; WHY should she be subject to their rules?</p>
<p>In his article, Mike said:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Scientology could remedy the limited scope of their agreement by simply including a delegation clause in their boilerplate arbitration agreements.&#8221;<br />
WHY would scientology want to do anything like that?  It&#8217;s sufficiently murky and indistinct to serve their purposes as it is. AND it&#8217;s already been WILDLY successful in derailing suits scientology doesn&#8217;t want to confront, which is ALL of them, AFAICT.</p>
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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Pendleton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I still maintain that this is essentially a Constitutional case. How can someone have their First Amendment rights, if they are forced to religious arbitration IN A RELIGION THAT THEY ARE NOT A MEMBER OF (and in fact one that they oppose on moral grounds). On its face, this would harshly violate their right in exercising religious liberty per the First Amendment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still maintain that this is essentially a Constitutional case. How can someone have their First Amendment rights, if they are forced to religious arbitration IN A RELIGION THAT THEY ARE NOT A MEMBER OF (and in fact one that they oppose on moral grounds). On its face, this would harshly violate their right in exercising religious liberty per the First Amendment.</p>
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