Roy MacGreggor and Wendy M, this was such an excellent and astute and probably totally true hypothesis put forth by Roy and supported by Wendy. YES I do think that is what DM is doing…. using the Ideal Org real estate scam to increase the SO reserves stat and then he takes out the cash by the same amount it just went up until eventually the SO reserves are empty of all but real estate, and by that time he is long gone and someone else is left holding the bag. This is the old Ponzi Scheme revisited with a mest twist on it. I would love some forensic accountants to follow the money trails and find the hidden off shore bank accounts and get him put behind bars. Thank you Roy for this really good look at what is going on in your educated opinion. I have no doubt that you are right.

😉
Now let’s catch DM.
My job is to reunite families, your job is to reform the cult.

Dear BFM,

Thanks for your kind and in-ARC answer/response. 🙂

Yes, we all do come from different viewpoints and different experiences – with LRH and with the subject of Scientology.

I didn’t spend day in and day out with him by any measure so I can only judge by my own experience, as we all should with our fellow human beings.

I have read all or most of the books written on Ron and know about what people have reported about his escapades. For all I know, maybe Ron was trying to do some amends to the human race for some of his transgressions…that thought came to me this afternoon. In many people’s minds, any damage he caused is outweighed by the benefits they receive from his discoveries.

Recently, one person was talking to me about how HORRIBLE Ron was and kept trying to tell me, “If you would only read these books, you’ll see how much of a $@%#@$$##@@ he was!” My friend, IMHO, was electrified by all of the vicious things being said and found it offensive (once he really heard that I’d read all that he’d read and videos he’d watched) that I would still be in support of LRH.

Basically, I told him that I had only so much time/energy and I wanted to choose my battles.

With all respect, Ron is gone now and he has nothing else to do with what’s going on here. He wrote the references but little DM is using them to their most suppressive potential. Would any of us take “LRH Policy” to the lengths that little Caligula has? After having “heard” all of your voices here, I would say not.

So our problem to solve here isn’t whether LRH was sound or not or mean or whatever, whatever. Our current problem is DM and, for some of us, continuing to get what LRH laid out for us as far as auditing and training from people who know what they’re doing.

The whole thing about Ron reminds me of something that happened to me a long time ago. ’86 or ’87. I was waiting at a bus stop when this red-headed British guy started chatting me up. We talked very pleasantly for a little bit. I saw a Dianetics billboard and I asked him, “Did you ever read that book, Dianetics?”

That guy could have grown horns with all the hatred that came out of him. “You know that Hubbard is wanted for X amount of counts in England, don’t you?”

I said, “That’s funny. He’s dead,” and stepped on my bus and rode away. Bwahahaha! True story.

Again, thanks for your response, BFM. I concur.

indie8million
(Because the last of the 8 million finally went Indie)

Indie8million,

you mentioned: “But he was genuine in his want to help people….his high ARC and his determination to help.”

I tried to not mention anything directly. I respect your point of view. Therefore I asked questions, but gave no answer. I also did not point to DM or Ron. There is no black or white – usually a lot of grey.
My questions were solely targeting the word “help” in relation to the historical background.

This answer is also wishy-washy … I know. But it is better for us all to just provide ideas on how you can look at things. We do not have the same background, still we fight on the same side against one big SP. And this is what connects us on this blog; for sure it is not the view on Hubbard. So let’s just stick to the reality that unites us.

Oh, and the time … 3am … I am from London. I guess that explains the early bird story 🙂

ARC, BFM

Thanks, Jane Doe. The Indies (including others in the “independent field”) are the only ones using White Scientology and White KSW. There. I just took my whole post and put it in one sentence. 😉

BFM. What? I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Were you writing this at 3am? 😉 Tsk Tsk. ;D Can you clarify, please?

If I was sitting on one billion USD, was the highest OT on earth, had no money engram and wanted to help. If I was able to push my own church into new realms. If I could open 10 or more Orgs with a simple command to my minions. If I really wanted to help ….
Think!

+ 100

Exactly so, Silent Watcher.

I’ve heard a lot of grumbling about how LRH did this or that and, really, it amounts, in the most part, in third party. Ron wasn’t perfect and he didn’t want people to think he was and jokes about himself to prove it. But he was genuine in his want to help people. There are many witnesses to this including myself and Mr. Rinder, and many, many of you. I’d love to hear your stories about Ron that illustrate his kindness, his high ARC and his determination to help.

But what I see these days is that people are thinking that this Black Scientology and Black KSW (HCO PL Keeping Scientology Working Series 1) are “LRH”. Nothing could be further from the truth. It was/is massive and willful misapplication of KSW and other policies by DMs tribe of barbarians that have given LRH’s work a bad name, not to mention attempting to destroy our friends and families.

In discussing with other people, under the radar and out, it occurs to me that what we Indies are doing now is applying, let’s call it, “White KSW”.

What are we doing? We are:
Having the correct tech – old timers trained by LRH and those who were in early enough to get the straight dope are well versed in true or “White” Scientology,
Teaching correctly the correct tech – that is happening in “The Courseroom”, with our friends, the Warrens and Freemans, up in Idaho, in an Indie courseroom in LA, and Ron’s Orgs. Probably more that I haven’t heard about.
Knocking out incorrect applications – we are, by applying standard, White Scientology in the Indie field, knocking out the incorrect applications enforced by DM and co., which are meant to suppress and incapacitate others.
Closing the door on any possibility of incorrect tech – Deposing DM is a start for this.

I’ve seen Scientology since the mid 70’s til now. You could still get “White Scientology” in the 70’s. The proof is in the gargantuan expansion of Scientology through the mission network at the time. A good course fills itself up. You, me and we are now creating a renaissance in real Scientology by applying real or “White KSW”. Not using force, duress or the Hole to enforce the tech, just applying it correctly. Honestly, if someone isn’t applying real Scientology that WORKS, people will avoid it. That is the truest KSW there is.

To me, Ron’s note at the beginning of KSW 1 sounds exactly like what is happening now under DM. THIS is what Ron wrote KSW for; a day like today, in Scientology’s evolution (or devolution, as it were). See what you think:

“Note: Neglect of this PL has caused great hardship on staffs, has cost countless millions and made it necessary in 1970 to engage in an all-out, international effort to restore basic Scientology over the world. Within 5 years after the issue of this PL [1965], with me off the lines, violation had almost destroyed orgs. “Quickie grades” entered in and denied gain to tens of thousands of cases. Therefore, actions which neglect or violate this policy letter are HIGH CRIMES resulting in Comm Evs on ADMINISTRATORS and EXECUTIVES. It is not “entirely a tech matter,” as its neglect destroys orgs and caused a 2-year slump. IT IS THE BUSINESS OF EVERY STAFF MEMBER to enforce it.” LRH

Soooooo, how long has this slump been going on? 30 years? What would have happened if we had applied this PL in 1982? 1993? Marty and Mike and others started applying “White KSW” when they recognized that what was happening was total BS and NOT what LRH said to do, as did the early see’ers like Mary Freeman and the early Freezoners.

Basically, if you have had any handling that that seemed “out-tech” or off-policy in the last 30 years, you are probably right. Look who was in charge. If you’ve been in less than 30 years, unfortunately, that may be all you know (including the kids that were educated in this Black Scientology education system) so all of Scientology can look black, indeed. But I believe that LRH was sincere in his years of work to help improve the world. Had White Scientology been used, instead of reversed, what would be different now? That’s my source of grief. All of those who haven’t been helped, who wanted that help, and the result of them being denied it. This is the current world we live in. “We have a brief breath in eternity” to help these folks. We have wasted so much time mollycoddling this tyrant’s demands.

Continuing on on page 1 of KSW 1, “WHAT I SAY IN THESE PAGES HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRUE, IT HOLDS TRUE TODAY, IT WILL STILL HOLD TRUE IN THE YEAR 2000 AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO HOLD TRUE FROM THERE ON OUT.” Pretty astute of him. What are we in now? 2013? Still true.

So now, IMHO, those of us who are out and/or under the radar (who are doing something about it) are honestly reversing the downward spiral by applying White Scientology the best we can AND doing the SO’s job for them; putting ethics in on DM and his version of the “Church” so that White Scientology can actually thrive and survive again to help people through the next generations.

For your consideration.
indie8million

+1 . Well said.