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		By: Barbra		</title>
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More Scientology Fail]]></description>
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		By: David J Mudkips		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 23:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-17985&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

And if they ever manage 10k, you&#039;ve just explained how they&#039;ll revise the target upwards. It will be the new Why.

Though all being well, RCS will be ground into dust long before they hit the target]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-17985">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>And if they ever manage 10k, you&#8217;ve just explained how they&#8217;ll revise the target upwards. It will be the new Why.</p>
<p>Though all being well, RCS will be ground into dust long before they hit the target</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-18102&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Good for you Pepper!  You&#039;re doing right by your man and by your kids.  I admire you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-18102">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Good for you Pepper!  You&#8217;re doing right by your man and by your kids.  I admire you.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-18061&quot;&gt;statpush&lt;/a&gt;.

Perfect!  LOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-18061">statpush</a>.</p>
<p>Perfect!  LOL!</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jane and All,

Thank you for your posts.  I greatly appreciate them.  I post on this blog because I know there are other public Scientologists still in or on the fence, who are searching and are getting answers right here. I know how much I have been helped by sites like this. Leaving the cult of the CoS is difficult and the stakes can be high.  Just look at all the broken, &quot;disconnected&quot; families.

I value my privacy and that of my family&#039;s, so some of what I might say here does not come particularly easy.  I have children to protect and that was the main reason why I was afraid to get involved with the internet. I am also helping them through university and onto their purpose lines in life.  This is very important to me.  After all, I have done this myself, why wouldn&#039;t I do the same for my kids?

My husband and I both personally know OTVIII&#039;s who got off the ship and within a year or so either got a divorce, cancer or some other catastrophic illness and DIED.  He is also aware of how he can get away from Flag with the financial excuses of debt, taxes, lost income, etc., because he&#039;s talked about it.  It definitely is a work in progress but I believe he&#039;s on the path to truth and of course, he has me to help him out.

Thanks again for your well wishes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane and All,</p>
<p>Thank you for your posts.  I greatly appreciate them.  I post on this blog because I know there are other public Scientologists still in or on the fence, who are searching and are getting answers right here. I know how much I have been helped by sites like this. Leaving the cult of the CoS is difficult and the stakes can be high.  Just look at all the broken, &#8220;disconnected&#8221; families.</p>
<p>I value my privacy and that of my family&#8217;s, so some of what I might say here does not come particularly easy.  I have children to protect and that was the main reason why I was afraid to get involved with the internet. I am also helping them through university and onto their purpose lines in life.  This is very important to me.  After all, I have done this myself, why wouldn&#8217;t I do the same for my kids?</p>
<p>My husband and I both personally know OTVIII&#8217;s who got off the ship and within a year or so either got a divorce, cancer or some other catastrophic illness and DIED.  He is also aware of how he can get away from Flag with the financial excuses of debt, taxes, lost income, etc., because he&#8217;s talked about it.  It definitely is a work in progress but I believe he&#8217;s on the path to truth and of course, he has me to help him out.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your well wishes.</p>
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		By: statpush		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-18008&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent post Hallie.  You got it.  This perfection nonsense will only end in tears for all involved.  Everyone needs to realize:  LRH never required this, the public never demanded this, students never requested it - only Mr Bright Idea, the King of Know-Best INSISTED that this occur.  This is the type of arbitrary that is introduced by someone who is unfamiliar with the technology of auditing and Scn basics.  He truly does not understand what Scn is all about.  I am certain he THINKS he does, but his vision of Scn is dark mashup of Nazi SS/Gestapo + Stasi + Space Opera + 1984.

Auditing is natural and organic.  DM thinks its mechanical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-18008">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>Excellent post Hallie.  You got it.  This perfection nonsense will only end in tears for all involved.  Everyone needs to realize:  LRH never required this, the public never demanded this, students never requested it &#8211; only Mr Bright Idea, the King of Know-Best INSISTED that this occur.  This is the type of arbitrary that is introduced by someone who is unfamiliar with the technology of auditing and Scn basics.  He truly does not understand what Scn is all about.  I am certain he THINKS he does, but his vision of Scn is dark mashup of Nazi SS/Gestapo + Stasi + Space Opera + 1984.</p>
<p>Auditing is natural and organic.  DM thinks its mechanical.</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-18044&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Pepper, I feel for him, and you.  And I understand about reading blogs a long time before even daring to post. We&#039;re all been there to some degree.  What kind of &quot;church&quot; would instill this kind of fear in its people?  There is a reference by LRH called &quot;The Road to Truth&quot; where he states that the road to truth once foot is set upon it must be traveled allt he way through.  And that we can&#039;t stop on the road to truth because all sorts of bad things will beset you if you stop and that it must be travelled all the way through.  (Sorry for the paraphrase of that. Maybe someone can help with the actual date of the reference.)  

Anyway my point here is that he has started his foot on that road, the road to TRUTH, which now is pointing the way OUTSIDE the church.  So by all means tell him not to stop short.  Even if it means looking outside the church, he must do it.  To stop short and keep justifying the most flagrant of outpoints will get him into all sorts of trouble. And when I say trouble, sometimes it is bigger than just cognitive dissonance.  Sometimes it is illness or death.  I am not trying to scare you, but read some of the articles on stats of OT VII and VIII&#039;s who have died, had heart attacks, cancer, strokes, accidents, all sorts of things.  It is very much the opposite of what we&#039;ve been fed... that OT&#039;s have magical powers and survive better etc.  The OT&#039;s connected to DM and the squirrel tech in the church are dying before their time.  I just read a post about this from a D of P at Flag recently.  

So please help your husband to confront the unconfrontable.  He can&#039;t keep on just trying to compartment it in his mind.  And as for completing OT VII, he can complete it in the field here.  We have excellent well-trained Class IX&#039;s and a Class XII out here.  We have tech terminals who worked with Solo Nots auditors at Flag for years, who are now practicing out in the field.  (Did you read Silvia Lloren&#039;s coming out story?)  A friend of mine is mid OT VII and she got an excellent OT VII review and is now solo auditing OT VII under a good CS in the Indie field.  

If he needs to know what to say to Flag so he can stop auditing, he can tell them he is sick and can&#039;t audit.  He can return his materials and say he is broke and can&#039;t pay for OT VII anymore.  He can leave on good terms under the broke thing and be under the radar for a while if he isn&#039;t ready to come out yet.  I know some others on OT VII who just turned in their materials and said they can&#039;t pay for it anymore and will earn the money and be back when they do, yet they have no intention of ever going back to Flag.  

You can be key to helping him see the light.  A few little things said here and there to get him to look.  Don&#039;t kill him with the atom bomb all at once cuz that&#039;s too much for him to handle at once.... but you can do it on a gradient. And if you can somehow get him to read Debbie Cook&#039;s letter?  Wow, that did it for me and many others.

Good luck to you both.  Ask for help of other Indies if you need it.  You aren&#039;t alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-18044">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Pepper, I feel for him, and you.  And I understand about reading blogs a long time before even daring to post. We&#8217;re all been there to some degree.  What kind of &#8220;church&#8221; would instill this kind of fear in its people?  There is a reference by LRH called &#8220;The Road to Truth&#8221; where he states that the road to truth once foot is set upon it must be traveled allt he way through.  And that we can&#8217;t stop on the road to truth because all sorts of bad things will beset you if you stop and that it must be travelled all the way through.  (Sorry for the paraphrase of that. Maybe someone can help with the actual date of the reference.)  </p>
<p>Anyway my point here is that he has started his foot on that road, the road to TRUTH, which now is pointing the way OUTSIDE the church.  So by all means tell him not to stop short.  Even if it means looking outside the church, he must do it.  To stop short and keep justifying the most flagrant of outpoints will get him into all sorts of trouble. And when I say trouble, sometimes it is bigger than just cognitive dissonance.  Sometimes it is illness or death.  I am not trying to scare you, but read some of the articles on stats of OT VII and VIII&#8217;s who have died, had heart attacks, cancer, strokes, accidents, all sorts of things.  It is very much the opposite of what we&#8217;ve been fed&#8230; that OT&#8217;s have magical powers and survive better etc.  The OT&#8217;s connected to DM and the squirrel tech in the church are dying before their time.  I just read a post about this from a D of P at Flag recently.  </p>
<p>So please help your husband to confront the unconfrontable.  He can&#8217;t keep on just trying to compartment it in his mind.  And as for completing OT VII, he can complete it in the field here.  We have excellent well-trained Class IX&#8217;s and a Class XII out here.  We have tech terminals who worked with Solo Nots auditors at Flag for years, who are now practicing out in the field.  (Did you read Silvia Lloren&#8217;s coming out story?)  A friend of mine is mid OT VII and she got an excellent OT VII review and is now solo auditing OT VII under a good CS in the Indie field.  </p>
<p>If he needs to know what to say to Flag so he can stop auditing, he can tell them he is sick and can&#8217;t audit.  He can return his materials and say he is broke and can&#8217;t pay for OT VII anymore.  He can leave on good terms under the broke thing and be under the radar for a while if he isn&#8217;t ready to come out yet.  I know some others on OT VII who just turned in their materials and said they can&#8217;t pay for it anymore and will earn the money and be back when they do, yet they have no intention of ever going back to Flag.  </p>
<p>You can be key to helping him see the light.  A few little things said here and there to get him to look.  Don&#8217;t kill him with the atom bomb all at once cuz that&#8217;s too much for him to handle at once&#8230;. but you can do it on a gradient. And if you can somehow get him to read Debbie Cook&#8217;s letter?  Wow, that did it for me and many others.</p>
<p>Good luck to you both.  Ask for help of other Indies if you need it.  You aren&#8217;t alone.</p>
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		By: Cat Daddy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-fail/#comment-17971&quot;&gt;Valerie&lt;/a&gt;.

She seud, good intention. Great courage , in that time the church was more powerfull]]></description>
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<p>She seud, good intention. Great courage , in that time the church was more powerfull</p>
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