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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-410666</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2021 06:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-410442&quot;&gt;georgemwhite&lt;/a&gt;.

Ugh, I think that you have in my opinion invaluable knowledge from both your journey up the bridge, including the Lucifer&#039;s Bridge original OT VIII Antichrist edition AND your journey out of Scientology in which you examined the extensive research materials you somehow, almost miraculously, found that quite likely were plagiarized by Hubbard and the long time tradition of people like Blavatsky and Hubbard and Crowley of habitually taking these ideas and representing them as their own discoveries and inventions.

It is a very rare combination for a person to have the firsthand experience of going all the way up the bridge AND the drive and patience to look for the precursors of Scientology AND succeed in finding them AND understanding what Hubbard did!

It&#039;s certainly something that I cannot do, and I spent twenty five years in Scientology!

I feel like the knowledge you gained is perhaps unique and a vital resource to help people untangle the web of lies that all too often holds them in a prison of the mind from which far too many never fully escape.  (Apologies for mixing metaphors)

I wish that the opportunity for your whole story, including your own research and discoveries could get a chance to see the light of day, whether through a book, blog, video series or some other form of media that can stand the test of time and provide an invaluable resource for current and future generations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-410442">georgemwhite</a>.</p>
<p>Ugh, I think that you have in my opinion invaluable knowledge from both your journey up the bridge, including the Lucifer&#8217;s Bridge original OT VIII Antichrist edition AND your journey out of Scientology in which you examined the extensive research materials you somehow, almost miraculously, found that quite likely were plagiarized by Hubbard and the long time tradition of people like Blavatsky and Hubbard and Crowley of habitually taking these ideas and representing them as their own discoveries and inventions.</p>
<p>It is a very rare combination for a person to have the firsthand experience of going all the way up the bridge AND the drive and patience to look for the precursors of Scientology AND succeed in finding them AND understanding what Hubbard did!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly something that I cannot do, and I spent twenty five years in Scientology!</p>
<p>I feel like the knowledge you gained is perhaps unique and a vital resource to help people untangle the web of lies that all too often holds them in a prison of the mind from which far too many never fully escape.  (Apologies for mixing metaphors)</p>
<p>I wish that the opportunity for your whole story, including your own research and discoveries could get a chance to see the light of day, whether through a book, blog, video series or some other form of media that can stand the test of time and provide an invaluable resource for current and future generations.</p>
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		By: georgemwhite		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-410442</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2021 22:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-410411&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

I wrote the book in 2015 and it contains very simple comparisons of Scientology.  Some of them are outright out of date because of the massive work that has been done on Hubbard.  If you can get a used paperback, it might be worth it.  For your needs, I would stay  off the PDF internet version as it is shorter.  Tony Ortega never liked my book and heavily criticized it as &quot;nothing but a personal interpretation.&quot;  Tony also refused to back the circle of scholars that I set up with Hugh Urban as leader.  At the time I was heavy with cash and I was going to start the money flowing.  Perhaps if he knew that it might have made a difference.  Tony also refused to back my work on Blavatsky.  I think that as a reporter he wants what sells books.  Serious crap about HUbbard is not important and will never be carried in the blogs.  I could write a very updated book now but my health is failing.  In the end, it does come down to personal Interpretations as Tony says.  But you cannot change the fundamental truth that I discovered.  Hubbard was an idiot and all of his theories are the product of a dependent moron.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-410411">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>I wrote the book in 2015 and it contains very simple comparisons of Scientology.  Some of them are outright out of date because of the massive work that has been done on Hubbard.  If you can get a used paperback, it might be worth it.  For your needs, I would stay  off the PDF internet version as it is shorter.  Tony Ortega never liked my book and heavily criticized it as &#8220;nothing but a personal interpretation.&#8221;  Tony also refused to back the circle of scholars that I set up with Hugh Urban as leader.  At the time I was heavy with cash and I was going to start the money flowing.  Perhaps if he knew that it might have made a difference.  Tony also refused to back my work on Blavatsky.  I think that as a reporter he wants what sells books.  Serious crap about HUbbard is not important and will never be carried in the blogs.  I could write a very updated book now but my health is failing.  In the end, it does come down to personal Interpretations as Tony says.  But you cannot change the fundamental truth that I discovered.  Hubbard was an idiot and all of his theories are the product of a dependent moron.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-410412</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks so much.

I occasionally here from or about someone either in Scientology and on the fence about staying in or going back who reads my work and then realizes that staying out is the best course of action.

I hope that Scientologists, including members of the Sea Org and my OSA monitors, look at my work and it plants a seed.

They eventually, as I did, look at contradictions, lies, and crimes in Scientology and realize the organization is evil, it does harm and the technology is fraudulent and they leave.

I don&#039;t honestly have any interest in blaming them for the rest of their lives and having them suffer. If they are in Scientology they likely have already suffered far more than anyone ever should. 

I hope they leave, whether quietly and with no public announcement or they say whatever they want to about their experiences, that&#039;s their right. 

I just want them to do better and get free from the harmful ideas in Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much.</p>
<p>I occasionally here from or about someone either in Scientology and on the fence about staying in or going back who reads my work and then realizes that staying out is the best course of action.</p>
<p>I hope that Scientologists, including members of the Sea Org and my OSA monitors, look at my work and it plants a seed.</p>
<p>They eventually, as I did, look at contradictions, lies, and crimes in Scientology and realize the organization is evil, it does harm and the technology is fraudulent and they leave.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t honestly have any interest in blaming them for the rest of their lives and having them suffer. If they are in Scientology they likely have already suffered far more than anyone ever should. </p>
<p>I hope they leave, whether quietly and with no public announcement or they say whatever they want to about their experiences, that&#8217;s their right. </p>
<p>I just want them to do better and get free from the harmful ideas in Scientology.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-410411</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321118&quot;&gt;George M. White&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you.

I would love to get more information on the discoveries you made in your own journey.

I know that you have a book. 

Does it describe the similarities between Hubbard&#039;s work and others? I am one of the people who has taken on the laborious and thankless and generally unpaid task of collecting information on the abundance of plagiarism in Hubbard&#039;s work!

Any help in that effort is greatly appreciated!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321118">George M. White</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>I would love to get more information on the discoveries you made in your own journey.</p>
<p>I know that you have a book. </p>
<p>Does it describe the similarities between Hubbard&#8217;s work and others? I am one of the people who has taken on the laborious and thankless and generally unpaid task of collecting information on the abundance of plagiarism in Hubbard&#8217;s work!</p>
<p>Any help in that effort is greatly appreciated!</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-410409</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321146&quot;&gt;Briget&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks so much.

I occasionally here from or about someone either in Scientology and on the fence about staying in or going back who reads my work and then realizes that staying out is the best course of action.

I hope that Scientologists, including members of the Sea Org and my OSA monitors, look at my work and it plants a seed.

They eventually, as I did, look at contradictions, lies, and crimes in Scientology and realize the organization is evil, it does harm and the technology is fraudulent and they leave.

I don&#039;t honestly have any interest in blaming them for the rest of their lives and having them suffer. If they are in Scientology they likely have already suffered far more than anyone ever should. 

I hope they leave, whether quietly and with no public announcement or they say whatever they want to about their experiences, that&#039;s their right. 

I just want them to do better and get free from the harmful ideas in Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321146">Briget</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks so much.</p>
<p>I occasionally here from or about someone either in Scientology and on the fence about staying in or going back who reads my work and then realizes that staying out is the best course of action.</p>
<p>I hope that Scientologists, including members of the Sea Org and my OSA monitors, look at my work and it plants a seed.</p>
<p>They eventually, as I did, look at contradictions, lies, and crimes in Scientology and realize the organization is evil, it does harm and the technology is fraudulent and they leave.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t honestly have any interest in blaming them for the rest of their lives and having them suffer. If they are in Scientology they likely have already suffered far more than anyone ever should. </p>
<p>I hope they leave, whether quietly and with no public announcement or they say whatever they want to about their experiences, that&#8217;s their right. </p>
<p>I just want them to do better and get free from the harmful ideas in Scientology.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321150&quot;&gt;Chris Shugart&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree wholeheartedly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321150">Chris Shugart</a>.</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321654&quot;&gt;Jenyfurrr&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks so much.

I just wish we could get a larger audience to help people recover from Scientology and help people understand Scientology and other groups and individuals that are similar.

You as the audience put in a lot of work to understand the subject and unless a person both knows there is a lot to learn and puts in the time and effort (like many people here do) they will remain uninformed and unarmed against many threats in my opinion.

I am not claiming perfect, complete, infallible, knowledge about anything, but saying that a bit of education regarding Scientology and similar groups is far better in my opinion than uninformed ignorance.

If I, for example, knew one percent of the things that I know now regarding Scientology and similar groups, I would have run away from Scientology on day one!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321654">Jenyfurrr</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks so much.</p>
<p>I just wish we could get a larger audience to help people recover from Scientology and help people understand Scientology and other groups and individuals that are similar.</p>
<p>You as the audience put in a lot of work to understand the subject and unless a person both knows there is a lot to learn and puts in the time and effort (like many people here do) they will remain uninformed and unarmed against many threats in my opinion.</p>
<p>I am not claiming perfect, complete, infallible, knowledge about anything, but saying that a bit of education regarding Scientology and similar groups is far better in my opinion than uninformed ignorance.</p>
<p>If I, for example, knew one percent of the things that I know now regarding Scientology and similar groups, I would have run away from Scientology on day one!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321755&quot;&gt;grisianfarce&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you.

I am glad whenever the material that I gather and present is beneficial to people.

I know we all have limited time and appreciate when people give me their time and get a benefit from my work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321755">grisianfarce</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>I am glad whenever the material that I gather and present is beneficial to people.</p>
<p>I know we all have limited time and appreciate when people give me their time and get a benefit from my work.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321122&quot;&gt;Gadfly&lt;/a&gt;.

I just discovered this response, I will take it as a high compliment! Thank you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-scientology-speak/#comment-321122">Gadfly</a>.</p>
<p>I just discovered this response, I will take it as a high compliment! Thank you!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2020 22:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A long read, full of excellent examples. Thank you.
The so-called modern science of mental health was a lie from start to Hubbard&#039;s finish, and 34 years later his organization can&#039;t, and won&#039;t, stop the fraud while the money keeps rolling in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long read, full of excellent examples. Thank you.<br />
The so-called modern science of mental health was a lie from start to Hubbard&#8217;s finish, and 34 years later his organization can&#8217;t, and won&#8217;t, stop the fraud while the money keeps rolling in.</p>
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