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More Stolen Valor

September 10, 2019 By Mike Rinder 68 Comments

Here we go again.

On Memorial Day I wrote a post about this subject — Stolen Valor: Ron the War Hero

And now they are at it once more.

If you are planning to attend this event, or know someone who is, please be aware that this is ONLY a “PR opportunity” for “safepointing” scientology and that those who attend will be held up as examples of people who endorse scientology. Know too that that the founder of scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, told many tall tales (lies) about his military career, very well documented in Chris Owens’ carefully researched book Ron The War Hero (available on Amazon here).

Steer clear of this event.

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Filed Under: Flag Service Org, L Ron Hubbard Tagged With: Flag Service Organization, L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology

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  1. jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

    September 11, 2019 at 11:19 pm

    Jim:
    “Skyler,

    Another very touchy medal for vetrans is the Purple Heart.

    ”

    AND for good reason. All of Hubbard’s “wounds” were gathered as he plotted and scuttled to AVOID actual military service at all costs.

    Reply
  2. jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

    September 11, 2019 at 10:37 pm

    Why don’t we recognize that Tubby had no honor, no valor, and didn’t know HOW to tell the truth,
    and leave it at that?

    This thing is another case of “scientologists lie, must lie, can’t not lie; it’s their ‘scripture’.

    Reply
  3. Loretta M Laws says

    September 11, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Peggy L. As to Jedi Warrior…He spoke about Space Opera on the Whole Track and described being in the races seen in the Star Wars prequels which came out much latter than the recordings where he talks about it. Perhaps George Lucas heard his tapes….. Don’t really know!?

    Reply
    • KatherineINCali says

      September 11, 2019 at 3:22 pm

      Dear lord… I truly hope this is sarcasm — for *your* sake.

      Reply
  4. Aquamarine says

    September 11, 2019 at 1:46 am

    He actually looks quite good in this photo. Too bad His Oatee powers didn’t extend to keeping himself groomed, fit and healthy.

    Of all his character flaws what really blows my mind, what I find very hard to understand, is that he let his teeth rot. Simple dental hygiene. I don’t get it!

    More from the I Don’t Get It Department:

    OTVII’s EP is “Cause Over Life”, right? Someone here can tell me, possibly. I’m pretty sure I read that somewhere but correct me if I’m wrong. Now, I know an OTVIII who just had quadruple bypass surgery. One would THINK someone who is Cause Over Life, with PERFECT or even somewhat adequate whole track recall would have SOME self-discipline, SOME common sense about eating sensibly, not clogging up the arteries…but no, just shovel it in and have a near death heart attack…THIS is OT? I don’t get it!

    End of semi-off-topic rant 🙂

    Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 11, 2019 at 11:22 pm

      Aqua:
      “He actually looks quite good in this photo. Too bad His Oatee powers didn’t extend to keeping himself groomed, fit and healthy.

      ”
      I wouldn’t call that semi-off-topic. You nailed the guy right in his hyper-inflated gut.

      Reply
  5. Marc Headley says

    September 11, 2019 at 1:29 am

    According to LRH, he was a master of many things.
    Here are just a few:
    Master Author
    Master Audio Recordist
    Master Musician
    Master SP Detector

    Let’s take a sec to look back on these areas of his master skills.

    Master Author – Scientology redid every single book he wrote AFTER he wrote them. Many of his books and writings contradict each other over the years. This is a significant problem and reason why so many of his writings had to be “modified” or “researched” to find what he meant when he contradicted himself.

    Master Audio Recordist – At Scientology’s media arm – Golden Era Productions, there are volumes and volumes of LRH writings on how to do proper recordings, and he makes out like he was gods gift to audio recordings. Also at Golden Era Productions and CST are at least 100 people that have spent decades going through all of LRH recordings and taking the hundreds of ones that you could barely hear him on, the ones that had horrible static on them, the ones that sounded like he recorded them in a bathroom and the ones that sound like he had the mic 100 feet away from where he was talking. These people have spent decades fixing the thousands of recordings that the MASTER REECORDIST screwed up over a period of 30 years. They have been fixing his recordings for many years longer than he took to record them initially.

    Master Musician – This one is self-evident on how many of his songs have charted and how many you have on your playlist.

    Master SP Detector – This one is my favorite. LRH was undoubtedly the best at spotting SPs. He wrote the book on SPs. He DID write the book – it is called the Ethics Book. He wrote what SPs looked like, what they did, how they acted, and even how they smelled. He even calculated that 2.5%$ of the population of Earth were SPs.

    Years later, somehow, just about every single person that ever worked with LRH turned out to be SPs. His wife turned out to be an SP. His kids turned out to be SPs. The people that he turned Scientology over to run were SPs. His Auditor was an SP. His chef was an SP. His hand-picked messengers were SPs. I would be surprised if a total of 2.5% of the people he knew and worked with were NOT SPs.

    You can double-check just about any profession that Hubbard was a “master” of and you will find that he was the opposite.

    The only thing that he was indeed a master of was bullshitting. He was a gold medalist bullshitter. He was king of all bullshit and bullshitters the world over.

    Reply
    • Nermin Odkan says

      September 11, 2019 at 10:38 am

      Excellent write up , Mark!

      Reply
    • MarcAnon says

      September 11, 2019 at 11:40 am

      Don’t forget he was a master filmmaker, a marriage and family relations expert, a master of flight and gliding, a world-renowned explorer, an expert on window-washing, laundry, and … well, everything else. Just ask him.

      Reply
      • Aquamarine says

        September 11, 2019 at 12:54 pm

        And yet he let his teeth rot. Leaving aside the aesthetic aspect, think of the PAIN from teeth needing fillings, root canals or extraction; the pain from bleeding gums and ongoing bone loss that cause the teeth to become loose and actually fall out. Its a horror show!
        People like this get TRENCHMOUTH. The breath of someone with trenchmouth (my dentist told me) is so overpoweringly bad that you can smell it just being in the same room with that person. How could LRH have DONE this to himself? Sorry to be a such a bore on this point. Sometimes it helps to vent because afterwards I get ideas that help me understand.

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        • Katherine says

          September 11, 2019 at 3:20 pm

          That’s what I’m sayin’!

          So incredibly disgusting. So much for LRH being “source” and the “biggest OT”.

          What a sick joke he played on everyone.

          Reply
          • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

            September 11, 2019 at 10:40 pm

            Well, Katherine, he certainly earned “Biggest”, by a WIDE margin.

            Reply
    • Scribe says

      September 11, 2019 at 12:27 pm

      His highest skill was Master Manipulator.

      Reply
      • KatherineINCali says

        September 11, 2019 at 5:55 pm

        Indeed.

        Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 11, 2019 at 10:13 pm

      “Master Musician – This one is self-evident on how many of his songs have charted and how many you have on your playlist.
      ”

      More succinctly: There was NOT ONE I could force myself to listen to the first time, much less want to try to listen to a second time.
      The guy was a legend only in his own mind.– or that of his BTs.

      Reply
  6. MarcAnon says

    September 10, 2019 at 10:34 pm

    Hubbard is one of those people whom it’s really a shame no actual professional was ever able to examine and diagnose (at least not until he was living in a trailer at the end of his life). He’s a fascinating case.

    Was he the malignant narcissist he seems to have been? Was he actually a deeply insecure person trying to compensate for his own feelings about himself? Did he start believing his own hype and lose contact with reality? Did he spend so much time in his fantasy world that he lost his mind completely? Is it all of the above?

    I tend to think it was all of the above. We’ll never know. In a few decades Scientology will be just a strange footnote in cults and new religious movements of the 20th century, and no one will care anymore, but I will always wonder.

    Reply
    • KatherineINCali says

      September 11, 2019 at 1:32 am

      I agree. ALL of the above.

      Plus, an abusive son of a bitch who sought to control through fear, intimidation and retaliation.

      Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 11, 2019 at 10:43 pm

      MarcAnon:”Was he the malignant narcissist he seems to have been? Was he actually a deeply insecure person trying to compensate for his own feelings about himself? Did he start believing his own hype and lose contact with reality? Did he spend so much time in his fantasy world that he lost his mind completely? Is it all of the above?”

      IMO, I’d have to say “Yes. Yes.Yes. and ABSOLUTELY!”.

      Reply
  7. KatherineINCali says

    September 10, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    What happened to Winning_On_All_Dynamics? I thought this post would have brought him/her outta the woodwork.

    I kinda think this person is just a troll who’s messing around. His/her posts are just too wacko.

    Reply
  8. Robert King says

    September 10, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    Ron the great messiah… I mean bullshitter

    Reply
  9. Karen de la Carriere says

    September 10, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    LRH pretended he was building a creation that would help all of mankind – the truth is he built a creation – wherein he was the sole source and only he could be right.He was the Game maker and we were  the pieces and some were broken pieces.
    It seemed to me that to truly give a person back in power of choice and personal freedom, that it would be vital to allow the person to voice any disagreements over the way Scn was run in order to let them develop their own sense of right & wrong, uninfluenced by ethics, policy or tech policies.
    BUT
    The aim was *NEVER* to create truly self reliant people as regards right & wrong.
    The target is for the Cult to insert their goals over the top of their members and to apply subtle domination and subjugation where the entire group inside agree with every word within their own bubble.
    If you do not AGREE with all of Hubbard, all of Management -or have any secret thoughts that something is WRONG….immediately run and turn yourself into the nearest ORG Ethics Officer – if you do not do this – you are jeopardizing your future and everyone else’s future in the universe.
    And the true believers, believe it !

    Scientology is both good and original. Unfortunately the parts that are good are not original and the parts that are original are not good.

    Reply
    • Joe Pendleton says

      September 10, 2019 at 9:12 pm

      GREAT post Karen! Extremely wise and truthful words!

      Reply
      • Joe Pendleton says

        September 10, 2019 at 9:18 pm

        By the way, Karen, I’ll add that it was VERY unfortunate that LRH had the attitudes that you so accurately described, because in my 35 years in Scientology, I had some extremely positive life changing wins and still apply much of what was true for me in Ron’s writings. BUT his megalomania and totalitarian viewpoint (and the Soviet style fascist organization he built) ultimately made it impossible for me to stay. NO ONE is 100% right about EVERYTHING.

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        • George M. White says

          September 10, 2019 at 11:03 pm

          “Scientology is both good and original. Unfortunately the parts that are good are not original and the parts that are original are not good.”

          That one hit me between the eyes. Very well written. It made me think about one of my considerations about Hubbard. He copied so much from Blavatsky and Theosophy but never gave her credit. After more than thirty years out, I concluded that his creative auditing with his questions did not really give me any gains at all. At the time I thought I had some life helping cognitions but in retrospect I see that he was going in circles. I finally concluded that as Lucifer Hubbard was really presenting the opposite of spiritual or intellectual gains. The problem I had with Scientology was that it filled my mind with useless data. I have changed my mind about Hubbard. I called him a moron many times but now I see that he was one point above moron. That fits him better.

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    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 11, 2019 at 10:20 pm

      Karen:”Scientology is both good and original. Unfortunately the parts that are good are not original and the parts that are original are not good.

      ”
      And always, the twain met, confusing the good with the “original”. That’s what sunk me: I saw a bit of good in his opening gambits and took whatever he said after that as likely to be equally good. 40 years later, I’m still trying to untangle the mess studying his dreck created.

      Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 11, 2019 at 11:29 pm

      Karen:”The aim was *NEVER* to create truly self reliant people as regards right & wrong.
      ”

      The AIM was to make Tubby MONEY$$$ Pure and simple.

      Reply
  10. Rosemarie says

    September 10, 2019 at 4:46 pm

    He was such a fraud!!!!

    Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 11, 2019 at 10:22 pm

      Rosemarie:
      “He was such a fraud!!!!”

      and so openly so, if you read him carefully, knowing what we now know.

      Reply
  11. Peggy L says

    September 10, 2019 at 4:43 pm

    So, LRH wasn’t also a Jedi warrior? Cuz that would have been a really cool thing to add to his resume.

    Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 11, 2019 at 10:55 pm

      Peggy L:”So, LRH wasn’t also a Jedi warrior? Cuz that would have been a really cool thing to add to his resume.”

      No, He dreamed up Doc Methuselah for his past-life persona, a character I’ve never encountered in 65 years of avid science fiction fandom. As a counterpoint, I DO remember “Doc Savage”, who I read first in 3rd grade, 55 years ago.

      Reply
  12. Scribe says

    September 10, 2019 at 2:19 pm

    Ron is long overdue for a Sec Check.

    Reply
    • newcomer says

      September 10, 2019 at 4:35 pm

      No wonder he won’t show up for his next tour of duty for the See Orgy. Dave would Sec Check him until he confessed His crimes …….. and that would require a frickin lot of intensives!

      Reply
      • Scribe says

        September 10, 2019 at 8:58 pm

        You may be right Newcomer.

        One of the questions I’d love him being asked: Have you ever attempted to enslave a population?

        Reply
      • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

        September 11, 2019 at 11:00 pm

        Newcomer:”No wonder he won’t show up for his next tour of duty for the See Orgy. Dave would Sec Check him until he confessed His crimes …….. and that would require a frickin lot of intensives!

        ”

        So THAT explains why! ElCon showed up and Davey-boy threw him out first thing, on the eligibility step.

        There’s truth to that: ELCon couldn’t have held to the standards he demanded.

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    • Joe Pendleton says

      September 10, 2019 at 6:43 pm

      No go Scribe … He wouldn’t pass “the breath test” …

      Reply
      • KatherineINCali says

        September 11, 2019 at 2:55 am

        Ewww…. his breath (if that’s what you meant) had to be putrid between the incessant smoking and rotting teeth. Totally disgusting.

        As the “greatest OT”, couldn’t Hubbard just postulate new teeth? Oops… apparently not.

        (As an aside, in my early 20s, about 20 years ago, I briefly dated a guy for about 3 weeks. I went to his apartment & used the restroom while I was there. I noticed that the shower had NOTHING to clean oneself — no soap, no shampoo, no body wash, nothing! I’m kinda OCD about bodily hygiene so that seriously grossed me out. Then he tried to kiss me and ohhh dear… I smelled the breath. Needless to say, that was the last time I saw him…lol.)

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        • Joe Pendleton says

          September 11, 2019 at 12:24 pm

          Katherine, you may be correct about his breath, but I meant that as a dead guy , he couldn’t pass the basal metabolism test … “take a deep breath, hold it for a moment and let it out” (correct wording?)

          Reply
          • Scribe says

            September 11, 2019 at 1:46 pm

            Most Scientologists are awaiting their next OT level in a state of breathless anticipation. Unfortunately, there’s nothing about it that’s breathtaking.

            Reply
            • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

              September 11, 2019 at 11:34 pm

              Scribe:
              “Most Scientologists are awaiting their next OT level in a state of breathless anticipation.”

              That’s a situation where “Baited breath” would be appropriate and fitting.
              Bait and switch: scn’s whole operation in 3 words — for the past 70± years.

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          • KatherineINCali says

            September 11, 2019 at 5:59 pm

            Oh…. okay. Gotcha.

            Reply
            • KatherineINCali says

              September 11, 2019 at 6:01 pm

              Oh…. okay. Gotcha.

              Edit: I accidentally posted this twice. Oops.

              Reply
        • Aquamarine says

          September 11, 2019 at 1:13 pm

          I hear you, Katherine. Gross. Gross for a man, gross for a woman.
          And unless someone lives in the Third World in a mud hut with no indoor plumbing, unexcusable.

          In fact, I lived for 2 years in a Third World country and the poorest rural people had neither soap, deodorant nor toothpaste. Except for the truly wretched ones with serious diseases like elephantitis, and, some of them, leprosy, most of these extremely poor people looked healthy and fairly clean, though somewhat dusty as they were peasants who farmed and raised chickens and goats. They would bathe in the rivers or wash themselves with rags from buckets of water. One could smell them because it was hot and they had no deodorant. But their teeth – forget it, I don’t know HOW they kept their teeth in such terrific shape!

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          • Aquamarine says

            September 11, 2019 at 1:14 pm

            Edit: “INexcusable”, not “un”.

            Reply
          • KatherineINCali says

            September 11, 2019 at 3:30 pm

            Wow. I love when things get put into perspective for me and others. Lately, I’ve been bitching about life problems. Your post describing people’s living conditions will make me stop… if only for a while.. lol.

            So many people in the US and other countries complain about their life. But what you just wrote is absolutely heartbreaking. Really makes people who have a place to live and some money stop complaining so much!

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            • Aquamarine says

              September 12, 2019 at 12:45 am

              True, and thanks, Katherine. Living there changed me. I arrived a clueless suburban American teenager What I saw – I can never forgot what I saw! Wait! That’s not true. Sometimes I DO forget and find myself grousing and bitching. Then I make myself remember what hundreds of millions of such people go thru on a daily basis and it puts things in perspective. I can tell myself, “Hey, get off it, already! This isn’t so bad! Stop it, now! This is no big deal, get off it!” Its humbling and I’m grateful to be humbled in this way, no kidding.

              Reply
        • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

          September 11, 2019 at 11:02 pm

          T he “breath test” as I remember was: If a SO member’s breath fogs a mirror, he’s fit for duty.

          Reply
  13. Truth Seeker says

    September 10, 2019 at 2:06 pm

    Grazie.

    Reply
  14. George M. White says

    September 10, 2019 at 1:58 pm

    Hubbard’s ability to lie reached a new lower level with his WWII “stories”. He deserves to be downgraded and the truth needs to be told over and over. Two of my best buddies from high school passed away from Agent Orange after service in Viet Nam. I think about them every day. Both of these men served with distinction. One of them was a Captain in the Infantry and earned multiple medals. He saw combat almost every day. He survived the war but the Agent Orange eventually caused his death. Love you Bobby.

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  15. nomnom says

    September 10, 2019 at 1:53 pm

    I just finished Chris Owens’ book, “Ron, The War Hero”.
    I can’t recommend it enough.

    It’s devastating in how it documents Hubbard’s obsessive, compulsive lies. If, after reading this book, anyone believes one iota of Scientology and Hubbard’s version of the past, they are simply fools.

    Reply
  16. PeaceMaker says

    September 10, 2019 at 1:34 pm

    I sure hope that word is getting out, and local people are also making an effort to contact attendees or even spread word about these bogus events in the non-profit and philanthropic communities, and let them know how these are not just innocuous but are used for internal propaganda purposes, helping mask financial fraud and human trafficking. If nothing else, it’s actually an opportunity to inform people about Scientology’s devious and deceitful ways, who might not have previously realized the depth of their depravity.

    Thanks for calling these out, Mike. I tend to assume that these events, like most Scientology propaganda, are mostly for internal consumption, but they do apparently manage to accomplish some “safepointing” of uninformed outsiders as well.

    The point I would make to anyone on the fence about attending one of these, is that major Scientology events or ones at their facilities, are staffed with human trafficked persons, paid less and forced to work longer than in any third world sweatshop, and subject to human rights abuses from coerced abortions to false imprisonment. No conscientious person would even buy coffee or clothes that originated from such abysmal working conditions; Scientology’s labor practices violate the majority of “fair trade” principles, for instance. It’s not unlike being invited to a ball on a slave plantation in the South in 1860; just because the final abolition of such practices in this country has not yet come, does not make it right to benefit from them and give tacit approval to the perpetrators of them.

    Fair trade principles:

    https://wfto.com/fair-trade/10-principles-fair-trade

    Forced labor principles:

    https://www.tourismpartnership.org/blog/itp-launches-principles-on-forced-labour/

    Anti-Slavery International – “Let’s End Modern Slavery Together”:

    https://www.antislavery.org/

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    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 11, 2019 at 11:59 pm

      nomnom:
      “safepointing” of uninformed outsiders as well.

      AFAICT, safe pointing only worked on the uninformed/ignorant.

      Reply
  17. Truth Seeker says

    September 10, 2019 at 1:26 pm

    Hi Mike,

    I’m curious what your take is on Thomas Moulton, Hubbard’s second-in-command, whose court testimony corroborated Hubbard’s assertion of Japanese subs off the coast.

    When I read his deposition online a few years ago, I found it compelling. But I also find Chris’s contradictory version equally credible.

    As I assume you’re familiar with Moulton, I’m very curious as to your take!

    Thanks.

    Reply
    • Mike Rinder says

      September 10, 2019 at 1:56 pm

      I think Moulton considered Hubbard a friend and felt loyalty towards him. He was also involved in the wild goose chase for the subs and probably believed they were right at the time. Convincing oneself they saw the enemy and had a duty to “get them” is not hard to comprehend.

      You know Miscavige mounted a pretty expensive operation to find the remains of the sunken subs — but came up with nothing.

      I think it’s more likely that there were no subs, given all the other information and observations. That Hubbard and Moulton had a different view isn’t very convincing when compared to the evidence otherwise.

      Reply
      • PeaceMaker says

        September 10, 2019 at 2:15 pm

        The other crucial point is that researchers now have access to the Japanese Imperial Navy’s detailed archives, and there were not Japanese subs in the area, and most certainly none that went missing and thus could have been sunk.

        Hubbard was also obviously very accomplished at getting others to believe his tall tales, and even buy into his delusions. Plus Moulton would probably have been loath to confront and admit that he’d been part of an unprofessional farce.

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        • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

          September 11, 2019 at 11:09 pm

          Peacemaker:
          “Plus Moulton would probably have been loath to confront and admit that he’d been part of an unprofessional farce.

          ”
          Never-mind that Moulton also had hopes of advancing in rank, etc.

          Reply
      • Chee Chalker says

        September 10, 2019 at 3:23 pm

        Maybe they were both drinking rum and/or popping the same “pinks and greens” and therefore saw the same thing
        Kind of like two drunks at a party seeing the same pink elephant

        Reply
  18. Billywindsock says

    September 10, 2019 at 1:04 pm

    It would be difficult to get to this event, it happened Saturday.

    Reply
    • Spacecootie says

      September 11, 2019 at 3:39 am

      But if you’re an OT, you can control matter, energy, space and TIME.

      Reply
      • KatherineINCali says

        September 11, 2019 at 4:09 pm

        LOL… they wish.

        Reply
  19. John McMaster says

    September 10, 2019 at 11:53 am

    Mike, there is a specific LRH PR policy about improving PR by giving awards to opinion leaders for whatever is surveyed to be popular. It would be nice if you found the policy letter and posted it. I wish I could remember the title.

    Reply
  20. Old Surfer Dude says

    September 10, 2019 at 11:34 am

    “Steer clear of this event”. What, to many steers?

    Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 11, 2019 at 10:30 pm

      “Steer clear of this event”. What, to many steers?

      Yup! lest they become part of the herd

      Reply
  21. Skyler says

    September 10, 2019 at 11:27 am

    Veterans have the lowest possible opinion of those people who lie about their records and lie about having won an important medal. The most highly prized medal is the Congressional Medal of Honor.

    As I recall, there was supposedly some effort underway to make lying about having won that medal a most serious crime and scumbags who did that were going to go to prison for an extremely long time.

    Few assholes deserve greater sanctions than this asshole.

    Reply
    • James Rosso says

      September 10, 2019 at 1:46 pm

      While i sympathize with your feelings, criminalizing it is about as dumb as blasphemy laws or desecrating a flag. NO ONE should have to go to jail because they hurt someone’s feelings. Heck, if you think about it, practically every soldier everywhere would have to go to jail for that.

      Impersonating a police officer is a crime because they have legal authority and must be obeyed, people are required to cooperate with them, et cetera. Impersonating a war hero isn’t because legally, they’re just another type of citizen with the same status as all regular citizens. Which means you’re a regular citizen acting like a regular citizen. Even stuff like “10% off for veterans” that some stores give is the stores voluntarily giving discounts to people claiming to be vets, and isn’t legally enforceable.

      Your heart is in the right place but your head isn’t. By criminalizing ‘stolen honor’ you are actually spitting on everything these veterans fought for. Please reconsider.

      Reply
      • Wynski says

        September 10, 2019 at 3:43 pm

        James, military officers ALSO have powers under Federal law and can order armed troops into action WHEREVER THEY MAY BE. That power abused by an impostor is MUCH worse than simply impersonating a police officer.

        YOUR head isn’t in the right place. h.

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        • James Rosso says

          September 10, 2019 at 4:33 pm

          Really? I didn’t know that military officers had any legal abilities outside of the military or civilian life or post-military service. I am working off the assumption that the situation is that the impersonator is just doing it for social reasons (as is the case with every imposter i’ve ever heard of) because that seems to be what generates such outrage. This is different than police officer impersonation since the imposters DO specifically abuse those legal privileges.

          If however, stolen honor impostors are also abusing the legal privileges military status brings, then i would support a law criminalizing it. Failing that, it looks like you are pushing for a law to criminalize one thing that doesn’t happen, with the intent of criminalizing an activity that hurts your feelings.

          Look, i’m really on your side here because i hate stolen honour people too, but unless you can show actual harm, making it illegal is the wrong way to go about it.

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        • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

          September 11, 2019 at 11:16 pm

          Wynski:
          “James, military officers ALSO have powers under Federal law and can order armed troops into action WHEREVER THEY MAY BE. That power abused by an impostor is MUCH worse than simply impersonating a police officer.

          ”
          ONLY in extraordinary times, which ain’t nowhere NEAR these times. Claiming to be a military officer and giving someone orders will likely get you soundly laughed at — or worse, the THAT’s if you’re wearing your formal officer’s uniform, which Hubbard could never have fit into after WW II.

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    • jim says

      September 10, 2019 at 4:27 pm

      Skyler,

      Another very touchy medal for vetrans is the Purple Heart.

      Reply

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On David Miscavige's Behavior
Miscavige's Behavior Part 2
A Letter From Garcia

Important Quotes

If the org slumps during this transition period, don't engage in "fund raising" or "selling postcards" or borrowing money. Just make more income with Scientology. L Ron Hubbard From HCOPL URGENT ORG PROGRAMMING
"We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material and so forth, and it keeps growing. But that’s not important. When buildings get important to us, for God sakes, some of you born revolutionists will you please blow up central headquarters". L Ron Hubbard Lecture 31 Dec 1960
"Personal integrity is knowing what you know. What you know is what you know and to have the courage to know and say what you have observed".- LRH from Personal Integrity
"It is necessary to happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists of professing to believe what he does not believe." Thomas Paine
“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” - Martin Luther King
“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” - Martin Luther King
“There comes a time when silence is betrayal.” - Martin Luther King Jr.
“Communication is the universal solvent” - L Ron Hubbard
“When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon.” Thomas Paine
"Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world would do this, it would change the earth." William Faulkner
"The ultimate authority must always rest with the individual's own reason and critical analysis." Dalai Lama

Important Reading

Troublemaker - Leah Remini
Ruthless - Ron Miscavige
Going Clear - Lawrence Wright
Bare Faced Messiah - Russell Miller
Counterfeit Dreams - Jeff Hawkins
Blown For Good - Marc Headley
Abuse at the Top - Amy Scobee
Unbreakable Miss Lovely - Tony Ortega
The Church of Fear - John Sweeney
Fair Game - Steve Cannane
Inside Scientology - Janet Reitman
Jenna Miscavige - Beyond Belief
My Billion Year Contract
Ron the War Hero - Chris Owen

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