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		By: Allison		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2024 11:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I rewatched all of Aftermath and still don’t understand how Scientology can afford all these mostly empty buildings. I understand the buildings are tax exempt and use underpaid (to put it nicely) Sea Org members for renovation/maintenance, but if there’s hardly any parishioners to spend money at their churches/hotels/restaurants (and I don’t think non-parishioners use their restaurants etc — maybe I’m wrong about that) then who pays? Are the few thousand parishioners left in Scientology THAT wealthy (or taking out second mortgages) to pay for it all? Is it from flipping some of the real estate? Does the “church” (business) have a huge endowment/stock portfolio to pay for it all? It just seems like a few thousand parishioners paying to be audited/take courses/buy book sets plus some fundraising for buildings couldn’t support THIS many buildings without some other sources of revenue (such as flipping, but I’ve never heard of Scientology selling their buildings).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rewatched all of Aftermath and still don’t understand how Scientology can afford all these mostly empty buildings. I understand the buildings are tax exempt and use underpaid (to put it nicely) Sea Org members for renovation/maintenance, but if there’s hardly any parishioners to spend money at their churches/hotels/restaurants (and I don’t think non-parishioners use their restaurants etc — maybe I’m wrong about that) then who pays? Are the few thousand parishioners left in Scientology THAT wealthy (or taking out second mortgages) to pay for it all? Is it from flipping some of the real estate? Does the “church” (business) have a huge endowment/stock portfolio to pay for it all? It just seems like a few thousand parishioners paying to be audited/take courses/buy book sets plus some fundraising for buildings couldn’t support THIS many buildings without some other sources of revenue (such as flipping, but I’ve never heard of Scientology selling their buildings).</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2024 09:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Miscavige can pretend the ideal org program is fulfilling the benefit to society requirements for a charity but in reality empty buildings filled with abused staff members who rarely get paid are not a benefit to the public.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Miscavige can pretend the ideal org program is fulfilling the benefit to society requirements for a charity but in reality empty buildings filled with abused staff members who rarely get paid are not a benefit to the public.</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alcoboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2024 00:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-haven-completed-ideal-building-fundraising-an-ideal-org-success/#comment-584477&quot;&gt;Salem&lt;/a&gt;.

Merely possessing the property gives the impression that the church is undergoing 134x expansion or whatever they tell people at these events they put on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-haven-completed-ideal-building-fundraising-an-ideal-org-success/#comment-584477">Salem</a>.</p>
<p>Merely possessing the property gives the impression that the church is undergoing 134x expansion or whatever they tell people at these events they put on.</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alcoboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2024 00:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is just  Scientology’s version of the LDS temple building program. Church president Russell M. Nelson tells Mormons that the church is going to put a Mormon temple on every street corner in the world. His biggest announcement was that the LDS Church is going to build a temple in Shanghai, China! Yay! Praise the Lord! Except one problem: the Chinese government doesn’t allow religions outside of China to build structures in China. But not to worry! Our beloved prophet speaks for God so it will come to pass! 
Well, we’ll see.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just  Scientology’s version of the LDS temple building program. Church president Russell M. Nelson tells Mormons that the church is going to put a Mormon temple on every street corner in the world. His biggest announcement was that the LDS Church is going to build a temple in Shanghai, China! Yay! Praise the Lord! Except one problem: the Chinese government doesn’t allow religions outside of China to build structures in China. But not to worry! Our beloved prophet speaks for God so it will come to pass!<br />
Well, we’ll see.</p>
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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LoosingMyReligion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 13:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-haven-completed-ideal-building-fundraising-an-ideal-org-success/#comment-584515&quot;&gt;AnEx&lt;/a&gt;.

An Ex, yes, he had already adapted that definition back then only for those who had money. A religion that practices selective proselytism based on economic capabilities. How funny!

But also how shameful just for having said such BS.

This shows how scn is purely a commercial activity structured in a pyramid scheme that has worked on large quantities of new entries to always select a few more &quot;able&quot; fishes.

But now the game is over. Even before COVID, but especially now with the Masterson case, it has closed up even more like a hedgehog, and surely had to make significant internal changes to stay afloat. 
I hope someone who left recently will give us some &#039;inside information&#039; (specially about finances).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-haven-completed-ideal-building-fundraising-an-ideal-org-success/#comment-584515">AnEx</a>.</p>
<p>An Ex, yes, he had already adapted that definition back then only for those who had money. A religion that practices selective proselytism based on economic capabilities. How funny!</p>
<p>But also how shameful just for having said such BS.</p>
<p>This shows how scn is purely a commercial activity structured in a pyramid scheme that has worked on large quantities of new entries to always select a few more &#8220;able&#8221; fishes.</p>
<p>But now the game is over. Even before COVID, but especially now with the Masterson case, it has closed up even more like a hedgehog, and surely had to make significant internal changes to stay afloat.<br />
I hope someone who left recently will give us some &#8216;inside information&#8217; (specially about finances).</p>
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		By: AnEx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnEx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-haven-completed-ideal-building-fundraising-an-ideal-org-success/#comment-584457&quot;&gt;LoosingMyReligion&lt;/a&gt;.

We&#039;ve previously talked about this change of direction. I think Tony&#039;s publication of Miskiewics&#039; 1994 interview for the Austrian magazine Profil provides some additional pointers.

Q: What is the goal of your organization, what do you actually want to achieve?
&lt;b&gt;A: The goal of Scientology is a world without mental illness, without crime, and without war. We work towards this by focusing on the individual, because by doing so we can improve the whole world. We reach out to people who are doing well, but who wonder, “Why am I not as happy and successful as I could be?” These are people for whom Scientology is the right thing. And that also sets us apart from other groups whose attempts to help people are geared towards the mentally ill and unstable personalities.&lt;/b&gt;

Q: You’re not interested in the less developed, whom you describe as mentally ill?
&lt;b&gt;A: You can’t look at it like that. We are a new, expanding group and we still lack the means to really help all the mentally ill and confused people in the world. We believe that we will reach our goals faster if we help capable people to become even more capable now. In this way, we increase our membership, and ultimately we can help everyone else effectively with Scientology.&lt;/b&gt;

Q: There are people who spend up to $200,000 on Scientology in a year.
&lt;b&gt;A: That just shows how important Scientology is to them and how much they appreciate the value of our teachings for this world!&lt;/b&gt;

Q: But Scientology undoubtedly costs people a lot of money, doesn’t it?
A: &lt;b&gt;The people who say that are not Scientologists, but our enemies. The most important point is and remains that no one is personally enriched. Scientology is in the development phase. It costs a lot of money to establish itself: We need buildings for our churches, we have to finance materials about Scientology. And last but not least, because we are new, we have to distribute all this material. &lt;/b&gt;

It seems to me that this follows Hubbard&#039;s philosophy of &quot;making the able more able.&quot; Miskiewicz defines &quot;able&quot; purely in monetary terms—as someone who can easily afford to spend $200,000 a year on services as well as becoming a Patron Megalomaniac of the IAS. Anyone who can&#039;t spend that much simply is not &quot;able&quot; and does not deserve his help.
(Gracefully he offers them to become an -underpaid- staff member.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-haven-completed-ideal-building-fundraising-an-ideal-org-success/#comment-584457">LoosingMyReligion</a>.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve previously talked about this change of direction. I think Tony&#8217;s publication of Miskiewics&#8217; 1994 interview for the Austrian magazine Profil provides some additional pointers.</p>
<p>Q: What is the goal of your organization, what do you actually want to achieve?<br />
<b>A: The goal of Scientology is a world without mental illness, without crime, and without war. We work towards this by focusing on the individual, because by doing so we can improve the whole world. We reach out to people who are doing well, but who wonder, “Why am I not as happy and successful as I could be?” These are people for whom Scientology is the right thing. And that also sets us apart from other groups whose attempts to help people are geared towards the mentally ill and unstable personalities.</b></p>
<p>Q: You’re not interested in the less developed, whom you describe as mentally ill?<br />
<b>A: You can’t look at it like that. We are a new, expanding group and we still lack the means to really help all the mentally ill and confused people in the world. We believe that we will reach our goals faster if we help capable people to become even more capable now. In this way, we increase our membership, and ultimately we can help everyone else effectively with Scientology.</b></p>
<p>Q: There are people who spend up to $200,000 on Scientology in a year.<br />
<b>A: That just shows how important Scientology is to them and how much they appreciate the value of our teachings for this world!</b></p>
<p>Q: But Scientology undoubtedly costs people a lot of money, doesn’t it?<br />
A: <b>The people who say that are not Scientologists, but our enemies. The most important point is and remains that no one is personally enriched. Scientology is in the development phase. It costs a lot of money to establish itself: We need buildings for our churches, we have to finance materials about Scientology. And last but not least, because we are new, we have to distribute all this material. </b></p>
<p>It seems to me that this follows Hubbard&#8217;s philosophy of &#8220;making the able more able.&#8221; Miskiewicz defines &#8220;able&#8221; purely in monetary terms—as someone who can easily afford to spend $200,000 a year on services as well as becoming a Patron Megalomaniac of the IAS. Anyone who can&#8217;t spend that much simply is not &#8220;able&#8221; and does not deserve his help.<br />
(Gracefully he offers them to become an -underpaid- staff member.)</p>
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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LoosingMyReligion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 11:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-haven-completed-ideal-building-fundraising-an-ideal-org-success/#comment-584465&quot;&gt;Chris Shugart&lt;/a&gt;.

Chris, I can only completely agree with you. In Eastern spirituality, there is a concept called &quot;awakening&quot; that describes a moment of profound understanding of oneself and reality. It is a deeply personal experience and can also occur many times in one&#039;s life. Scn, although it does not explicitly claim to, purports to produce this in series through hubbard&#039;s &quot;enlightened&quot; words and practices. 
Obviously, the evidence shows the exact opposite. 
The only time this happens in scn is when one day, as you said, a light bulb goes on, they ask themselves what the hell they are still doing there, and they just leave.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-haven-completed-ideal-building-fundraising-an-ideal-org-success/#comment-584465">Chris Shugart</a>.</p>
<p>Chris, I can only completely agree with you. In Eastern spirituality, there is a concept called &#8220;awakening&#8221; that describes a moment of profound understanding of oneself and reality. It is a deeply personal experience and can also occur many times in one&#8217;s life. Scn, although it does not explicitly claim to, purports to produce this in series through hubbard&#8217;s &#8220;enlightened&#8221; words and practices.<br />
Obviously, the evidence shows the exact opposite.<br />
The only time this happens in scn is when one day, as you said, a light bulb goes on, they ask themselves what the hell they are still doing there, and they just leave.</p>
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		By: Salem		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Salem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 00:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s have realized with alot of these orgs is that they are run down or empty. So clearly Scientology is not helping like it says it does. It&#039;s sad to see these beauty buildings stand there abandoned because they have been bought by a cult that doesn&#039;t help anyone or anything. I keep thinking if buildings where purchased and restored by something that would act be useful or good in any way how much more helpful that it would be in comparison to Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s have realized with alot of these orgs is that they are run down or empty. So clearly Scientology is not helping like it says it does. It&#8217;s sad to see these beauty buildings stand there abandoned because they have been bought by a cult that doesn&#8217;t help anyone or anything. I keep thinking if buildings where purchased and restored by something that would act be useful or good in any way how much more helpful that it would be in comparison to Scientology.</p>
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		By: Imogen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Imogen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thinking about alot of the orgs most of them are abandoned and have been left in a terrible state. It&#039;s a shame to alot of these buildings could actually be used for something useful instead of going to this destructive cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking about alot of the orgs most of them are abandoned and have been left in a terrible state. It&#8217;s a shame to alot of these buildings could actually be used for something useful instead of going to this destructive cult.</p>
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		By: Fredyr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fredyr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; big insouciant events&quot;
Huh...? Insouciant means.....relaxed and happy, with no worry or guilt

The very opposite of an actual event.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; big insouciant events&#8221;<br />
Huh&#8230;? Insouciant means&#8230;..relaxed and happy, with no worry or guilt</p>
<p>The very opposite of an actual event.</p>
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