Great!
Ajahn Amaro is my wife’s favorite at that Monastery. We have followed it for years.
Ajahn Sumedho is my favorite, although he is retired.

Isn’t this amazing?

“NO ONE ever reached a higher state of consciousness, awareness or ability by living a lie!”

So true, Aqua.

Wow; I’m thoroughly impressed, George. The group I feel a real allegiance to is Amaravati Monastery in the U.K. These are western monks aligned with the teachings of Ajahn Cha, a deceased Thai master. The teacher that first impressed me the most is Ajahn Amaro, who I believe is now the head Monk, Ajahn Sumedho having retired. These two robed Monks, following traditional Thai practice, have influenced the most, really walking the walk of Buddhist practice. The local group I go to at least does some chanting (namo, tassa, etc. homage to the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha).

Shirker that I am, I’ve been off and on with my involvement over the years and am trying to get back with it. I just remembered that sloth is one of the Five Hindrances to practices, and I’m guilty as hell. You’re inspiring me as I type this.

A little different from scientology, isn’t it? I’ a never in, thank God, but one of the first things I came across when I just started exploring the cult is that it, i.e., Hubbard, frowned on any type of meditation (staring at the wall for an hour or so doesn’t count).

Anyway, metta to you and your wife; may you be happy; may you be peaceful; may good things come your way.
Scott, aka bixntram

I hear you on everything, Rip. No argument on anything you’ve pointed out.

But then, YOU confronted it.

YOU dealt with it.

It was important enough to YOU to live with the truth instead of living in a familiar yet totally false and fabricated BUBBLE.

You handled it; why not them?

Why can’t they confront and handle this enormous and unwelcome truth, in, as you’ve stated, their own time and at their own pace.

I think they can, and if they have any pretense to reaching “higher states” of awareness, they MUST.

Because NO ONE ever reached a higher state of consciousness, awareness or ability by living a lie!

I am a never in BKmole, and certainly don’t have the knowledge that you and so many others learned the hard way. I sort of tried to understand the whales but keep coming back to blaming a huge ego, the “Look at us Ain’t we somethin'”, while they live outside the bubble, in the real world, working or running a business, far removed from the horrible conditions inflicted on so many of the cult/slave members, sure not unable to see just what’s going on but their ego blinds them.

Jesus, Aqua.

Abandoning every shred of everything you’ve known or thought was true, feeling your entire concept of reality evaporate..

Certainty and an ordered world of answers, solutions, and glorious goals shatters to nothingness, leaving …. emptiness..

and the dawning realization that you were lied to about everything for decades and its all been a waste.

And now there is nothing left

And your life is mostly used up and gone.

…
I want them all to wake up too..

And it’ll be worth it, but …also?

No one can tell me yet how long that part lasts.

Thanks. I was in for several decades. I have disdain for the whales who take their narcissism to a new level of insanity. Their support of the toxic scam is unforgivable.

“Right on Dave! Even the name Chee Chalker is covert joking and degrading of the Clearing Course and Celebrity Centre. What’s a Chee Chalker anyway? He or she should do a double A-E so as to be fit company before being allowed back into the most ethical group on the planet.”

Friend of Foolproof

I like the way you think BKmole. I feel bad for the cult slaves, not for the big donors though. As long as he has to reach the point when he has to try to run that’s great.

Vastly generalized, here’s what I think, Rip: The truth was out there, to be observed, to be read about. The outpoints were there for anyone to see. A 10 year old with a double-digit IQ could observe these outpoints. Ok. There it was, to be observed, questioned, processed and acted upon. We observed, read about it; we questioned it, processed it and ACTED UPON IT. Again, the truth was out there for us. Now, its even MORE out there for the
Still Ins today. There it is for them, to be observed, questioned, processed, acted upon. Like the proverbial horse with water in front of him – he was brought TO the water – will he drink? Well, that’s up to the horse. All these Still Ins -some of whom are UTR and decided upon leaving and only mid-process possibly deciding HOW to leave – these Still Ins are being brought TO the water – the truth keeps pouring out, thanks to Exes like Mike and Leah and many others working to get the truth out there. The truth is ALL AROUND them and readily available to read and/or observe. Its all that can be done.