Lok what’s on the bottom of that Fort Harrisonesque photo!

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No longer a member? That’s like Ron losing the Dianetics franchise.

Wait, Davey has a lot of money, he can fix up his own boat. He needs to regs himself! Quick Dave, call yourself and donate your person up the bridge as you are far behind. Become the Supersized ultra humanitarian, bronzed, delivered triple done an overdone giver of such multitude of funds that Mary a one can touch yea.

Hubbard was a self-decorating piece of crap. Yes, the ribbon picture is upside down. The Navy uses stars to denote multiple awards.

@ 1984

I did my own research of the ribbons on Ron wore when he was in a dress uniform.
I do not know if Mike will allow this to be published as it is long.

I was intrigued by the following photos.

http://www.skepsis.nl/hubbard1943.jpg

http://www.imagick.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/L-Ron-Hubbard-Navy.jpg

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/812/5410/original.jpg

http://www.lronhubbard.org/sites/default/files/styles/tl_large/public/ron-series/profile/profile_chronology_41_l-ron-hubbard.jpg

There is another photo that I am aware of Ron in uniform with Thomas Moulton. I have only seen it in a newspaper. If anyone has a (good) print of that, I would love to see it.

I have been very curious about the ribbons, and the possible date of the photos

I believe the photos were all taken at the same time. Now I think they may have been doctored in the 1970s. Or Ron was a lying asshole about his war record during or shortly after the war.

I used this source for the ribbons

http://www.officialmilitaryribbons.com/united_states_navy_ribbons_in_precedence.html

According to unbiased researchers (Miller, Atack, Owen, Wright) Ron earned 4 medals and no battle stars.

The American Defense Service Medal
The American Campaign Medal
The Asiatic Pacific Campaign Medal
The WWII Victory Medal

The ribbons associated with these medals are in the 7th and 8th row from the top from the link I posted.

According to Thomas Moulton who went to sub chaser training school with Ron, and then served as is second in command off the shores of Oregon, he and Ron always wore two battle stars on that ribbon (The American Campaign). Moulton testified to this during one of the Gerry Armstrong cases, in 1984.

I think Ron is wearing 8 ribbons, a top row of 2 ribbons, a middle row of three ribbons and a bottom row of three ribbons.

If the date is accurate there would be no WW II victory medal.

Here is an image of medals and the ribbons that Ron and Scientology claimed

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7081/hubbardstolenmedals2b.jpg

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/31765/l-ron-hubbards-life.pdf

go to page 11.
There is a photo of the medals and ribbons without text on them

I needed to have the plain image to do my checking.

I also suspect that the image of the ribbons is actually upside down.
The row of two ribbons should be displayed on top.
Left and right are when looking at the photographs.

Top row, left
This appears to have a battle star. The ribbon itself is covered by the lapel and hard to see. I cannot see a vertical stripe on the ribbon, at all. Perhaps it is the American Defense Service ribbon, but there should be a noticeable white vertical stripe, in my opinion. My decision was highly influenced by the single battle star.

Top row, right
This ribbon also appears to have one battle star.
Because of the white vertical stripes and the light color of the ribbon, I think that may be the Asiatic Pacific Campaign ribbon, and the battle star is obscuring the center (middle) vertical stripes.
Ron later claimed two battle stars for this ribbon.

Middle row, left
This is a guess on my part. There are visible vertical white stripes.
The only ribbon that comes close to matching it, in my opinion, is the Eastern African Middle Eastern Campaign Ribbon. I am not happy with that choice, but it is my best guess.
If I am correct, this is clearly a fraudulent ribbon.
In the photo, Ron has no battle stars, but later he or scientology claimed two battle stars for this fraudulent ribbon

Middle row, middle
This ribbon is obscured by two battle stars. The ribbon is light in color, and I can not distinguish the vertical stripes.
Perhaps it is the American Campaign ribbon, but I would like to see some evidence of dark vertical stripes in the center.
That is what I think the ribbon is because of Moulton’s testimony.

Middle row, right
I have no idea what this ribbon was. It is not in the Naval ribbon link, in my opinion.
I think this ribbon corresponds with the ribbon 5th row from the top, and in the middle in the scientology display
Others have identified this as the Organized Marine Corps Reserve Medal.

Bottom, left
I am not sure. I can’t seem to find it the image in the claims of scientology.
It appears to be dark blue with four green stripes.
This is for Naval expert at both pistol and rifle.

Bottom, middle
A dark blue ribbon with 3 green stripes displayed on the top, middle of the image.
This is for Naval Expert Rifle

Bottom, right
A dark blue ribbon, with two thin green stripes
displayed on the top, left on the image.
This is for Naval Expert Pistol

The ribbons for these three marksmanship awards are in dispute. Chris Owen found evidence of such awards. But medals / ribbons were not awarded until 1969, according to those on OCMB.

I’d had some compilations history, I’d prior experience, short, at LRH Tech Comps under Senior C/S Int Office back in 1988-89 for a couple months, and I’d read then, for the first time, the “Prosperity Bulletin” that was one of the “Compilations Officer Full Hat Checksheet” items. (And before that I did a lot of the final computerized routing forms submissions, themselves sort of a compilations job, not the same as doing a full blown compilation of LRH’s despatches into a bulletin which was the normal job of the famous ex compilations people like Phoebe Mauer and Dan Koon and Russ Williams and many other earlier older timer Sea Org tech people, but I was a novice who never got off the ground on LRH issues, but I had done compilations of non LRH routing forms, 90 submissions I’d slaved through.)

But Author Services Inc has a filing cabinet drawer full of LRH despatch orders, and some were turned into “Prosperity Bulletins” and I think Maria Starkey and possibly Marion Dendiu Pouw were the authors of those early ASI Prosperity Bulletins.

The one bulletin, was important so generally, that it was included in the list of checksheet items to study, even at the Senior C/S Int Office LRH Tech Comps Compilations Officer Full Hat Checksheet.

That particular “Prosperity Bulletin” on the Compilations Officer Full Hat Checksheet covers a universal point, that relates back to Pat Broeker’s talk at the LRH Death Briefing event, which is LRH’s “timeless tech” writings (despatch traffic) needed to STILL be finally all turned into “timeless tech” bulletin form for all the various units.

After that 1986 time after LRH died, then in the next couple years, the Gold bulletins were finalized. The OSA Network Orders were finalized. The red volume tech bulletins got re-checked and re-issued in the 1991 red volumes (Dan Koon should tell that story). Tom Ford I think re-viewed and had the Flag Orders all cleaned up and finalized and loose ends fixed up.

The ASI “Prosperity Bulletins” needed to be fixed and finalized still, even though some of the ASI traffic had come out.

When I came to ASI in 1992, the ASI Prosperity Bulletins were not used, what the ASI staff studied was the paper copies of the raw despatches, and they used the computer data base of the same paper copies.

I went on the ASI project, all by myself, in 1993 or 1994 to finalize the “Prosperity Bulletins”, but that was a futile effort, the furthest I got was proofread the copies of the ASI LRH traffic on the ASI computers making sure they matched the despatches. I never reached the point of doing the Prosperity Bulletins, that was beyond my ability.

But, reading the despatches to ASI, there are a dozen or so despatches that struck me, and sort of made time stand still.

One of those despatches, includes LRH comment in one of his mild comment rejects he gave to ASI on one of their advertising efforts.

LRH said: “….not enough hype…..”

ASI in history, was LRH’s capping final group of those between him and the church. And ASI was made up of all Sea Org members, with a few exceptions (like Rachel and others).

Hype though, is source.

Just for the history record.

Thanks Gus. Once again l’il Davey brings out the tunesmith in me.

@Eclipse – “Her so called evidence has not been found by others .” That is indeed curious. Why would that be? Is the same logic being used on all evaluators, and evaluations? Are we looking at all the evidence, or is some being discarded? (And does that not constitute a lie in itself?)
As for the ribbons, is there anything more specific that you can add to this?
And, although trivial, would it be ok to correct the grammar of the gender of the subject here? (I don’t believe that we are talking about Mary Sue.)
BTW, I don’t mind questioning reality, and I don’t have a problem with targeting specifics of the church (which they deserve), but, just because we accuse the church of using flawed logic is no reason to use it ourselves. I don’t like being seen as part of a feeding frenzy of a gaggle of sharks circling a bloody patch of water.