The gave site markers were hard to read….what could be read stated dates of death appeared to be in the 1940’s, 1950’s, & early 1960’s… most markers were not granite but simple black crosses made of iron that was rusted….there were graves that were unmarked as well but could be discerned by ground depressions. This was the era of the coal industry……most of the men in the area were underpaid coal miners, the older folks stories talk of heavy alcohol abuse & the expected very painful lung damage from inhaling coal dust. This is a large cemetery & this burial area was as noted set apart from the other burials……basically left to ruin & unattended. I wondered if family ever visited, but either family members were dead themselves or embarrassed by the suicide of their family member & did not visit. All too sad.

Your comment about spending time in the library has captured my interest. Over and over again I learn from Mike, Leah, et.al. that Scientology traps people who have limited learning, but are interested in philosophy, science, psychology, and self improvement methods.

1 Are you an exception to this “profile”, with your self learning? Did you ever meet Scientology people who outside of Scientology had acquired a strong, working grasp of these subjects, but joined anyway?

We often judge what is true by comparing it to what we already know about a subject. The ancients established the “liberal arts” such as philosophy/critical thinking, and subjects that increased self awareness and self autonomy. The “liberal” meant that slaves were never to be taught these things. A slave could be a great physician or engineer, but must never think for themself. LRH, by these historical standards, was one of the many evil people in history who founded slave cults.

2 I was being treated in a neurological ward, where they attached a number of electrodes that monitored what the “audit machine” did, and additional medical parameters. This was a real hospital. I quickly learned how to control the readouts at will. Has anyone heard about a Scientologist who could do this with the audit machine? What did they do to them?

Thank you, and thanks to anyone who read my rather long comment.

Yes 1982 seems about right. But then Sec Checking became mandatory every 6 months or more when on Solo Nots. I think it was a way to get them on base to reg the hell out of them besides taking money for the Sec Checks.

Wynski,

You said, ” In short, Hubbtard was wrong about what the meter does . . .”

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Let’s get even “shorter” and say, ” Hubbard was WRONG about EVERYTHING ! ”

Dave F.

The auditor DID check for false read the first time I said anything (a moment after the auditor said it “read”.)

The auditor and C/S performed perfectly as per Hubbtard’s training.

In short. The meter (several of them) was NOT registering what Hubbtard said it was. In short, Hubbtard was wrong about what the meter does

I can see that your brainwashing has blocked your ability to use logic.

Oops. The first sentence in my comment was yours and should have been in quotes.

So, a pc thinking about something else can control the reaction of the E-meter.

A pc might be able to produce prior or latent reads but not an instant read, which almost invariably comes about as a reaction to a thought voiced by the auditor that matches (energy wise) a thought in the pc’s own memory banks. And there aren’t really that many variables, or seemingly contradictory concepts to do with metering.

“And just so you know, I DO think there is some measurable energy that a person generates, though that terminology is perhaps inaccurate. I feel emotion can be tangible.”

Many others in the fields of psychology and spirituality have now concluded the same. Kirlian photography even provides physical/objective evidence that shows changes of emotion create changes in the energy around the body.

“But I no longer agree with the dogmatic assertions about the e-meter and auditing and that it has an answer to everything and an answer for everything — if it doesn’t work it’s the auditor’s TR’s or it’s not an instant read or it’s a false read or a protest read or, or, or… ”

The fact is that with a well trained auditor, these things don’t occur very often and are easily handled.

“I think there are things NOT known and explained by Hubbard and the biggest thing wrong with it is the fundamentalist view that his tech has the answer for EVERYTHING.”

I very much agree with that. But one thing I give Hubbard great credit for is his discoveries about e-meter reads and the precision, speed and efficiency those discoveries give to auditing/counseling. People like to point out that he wasn’t the one to invent the meter, but it was his discoveries of how the meter can be used as a precision tool that are the real breakthroughs.

Wynski-Khashoggi, (haha – sorry but the idea has tickled me) – at the first or early sign of protest from you they should have checked for a false read. I don’t know why they didn’t check. I don’t know what year this occurred for you but perhaps Hubbard created the false read tech after your case – such things do happen. Old Herbie Parkhouse told me once about the creation and first time the Green Form was ever used (Herb was the auditor) which was to solve a case at St. Hill which Herb did with a list of questions created by Hubbard, so all these things have a first and original time.

There was no sense of “make wrong” at all from and by my statement, unlike yours and the original comment. I always find it amazing here that I am accused of something by somebody doing exactly that which I am being accused of.

OK, thanks for that.

So, a pc thinking about something else can control the reaction of the E-meter.

While this is all presented as an exact science, there are certainly a lot of variables and apparently contradictory concepts.

And just so you know, I DO think there is some measurable energy that a person generates, though that terminology is perhaps inaccurate. I feel emotion can be tangible.

But I no longer agree with the dogmatic assertions about the e-meter and auditing and that it has an answer to everything and an answer for everything — if it doesn’t work it’s the auditor’s TR’s or it’s not an instant read or it’s a false read or a protest read or, or, or… I think there are things NOT known and explained by Hubbard and the biggest thing wrong with it is the fundamentalist view that his tech has the answer for EVERYTHING.