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	Comments on: &#8220;OT IX and X are closer than you think&#8221; &#8211; David Miscavige April 1993	</title>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538129&quot;&gt;Nina G Ohlsson&lt;/a&gt;.

To: Nina G. Ohlsson
From: David Miscavige COB RTC 
Re: Scientology as a sinking ship.

THE SHIP OF SCIENTOLOGY IS NOT SINKING! UNDER MY THETA LEADERSHIP SHE IS SAILING ALONG JUST FINE! ONLY A WRETCHED SP LIKE YOURSELF WOULD HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SPREAD SUCH ENTHETA! I DEMAND THAT THESE UNFOUNDED FALSEHOODS CEASE ST ONCE!

ML,
Dave.

To: David Miscavige COB RTC 
From: Alcoboy 
Re: unfounded falsehoods.

You are aware, of course, that all of Scientology is an unfounded falsehood.

No love at all,
Alcoboy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538129">Nina G Ohlsson</a>.</p>
<p>To: Nina G. Ohlsson<br />
From: David Miscavige COB RTC<br />
Re: Scientology as a sinking ship.</p>
<p>THE SHIP OF SCIENTOLOGY IS NOT SINKING! UNDER MY THETA LEADERSHIP SHE IS SAILING ALONG JUST FINE! ONLY A WRETCHED SP LIKE YOURSELF WOULD HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SPREAD SUCH ENTHETA! I DEMAND THAT THESE UNFOUNDED FALSEHOODS CEASE ST ONCE!</p>
<p>ML,<br />
Dave.</p>
<p>To: David Miscavige COB RTC<br />
From: Alcoboy<br />
Re: unfounded falsehoods.</p>
<p>You are aware, of course, that all of Scientology is an unfounded falsehood.</p>
<p>No love at all,<br />
Alcoboy.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538310&quot;&gt;Stefan&lt;/a&gt;.

Was this Pierre someone who believed that scientology was anything other than evil, brainwashing bullshit? Because irrespective of what others may say or think, scientology has nothing good in it, as it is entirely designed for one purpose: to brainwash people into blindly following and giving money to a narcissistic psychopath. 

I used to say that if someone wants to freezone it, fine, because it&#039;s the organization that is evil. But that&#039;s wrong, because everything about scientology is evil, destructive and twisted. There is nothing good in anything connected to scientology. 

As such, I have come to the conclusion that the only good scientologist is an ex-scientologist working to eliminate the practice utterly from the earth. There are no scientologists who are still in scientology who are good, because they all are either brainwashed or they wilfully blind themselves to the horrors they KNOW are built into the system. If scientologists were honest --and not one of them is -- they would all say &quot;fuck it&quot; and leave. 

Freezoners are among the worst, because they know that scientology is bullshit but still perpetuate it outside the shitshow.  They are no different to the Nazis who fled to Argentina to continue their lifestyle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538310">Stefan</a>.</p>
<p>Was this Pierre someone who believed that scientology was anything other than evil, brainwashing bullshit? Because irrespective of what others may say or think, scientology has nothing good in it, as it is entirely designed for one purpose: to brainwash people into blindly following and giving money to a narcissistic psychopath. </p>
<p>I used to say that if someone wants to freezone it, fine, because it&#8217;s the organization that is evil. But that&#8217;s wrong, because everything about scientology is evil, destructive and twisted. There is nothing good in anything connected to scientology. </p>
<p>As such, I have come to the conclusion that the only good scientologist is an ex-scientologist working to eliminate the practice utterly from the earth. There are no scientologists who are still in scientology who are good, because they all are either brainwashed or they wilfully blind themselves to the horrors they KNOW are built into the system. If scientologists were honest &#8211;and not one of them is &#8212; they would all say &#8220;fuck it&#8221; and leave. </p>
<p>Freezoners are among the worst, because they know that scientology is bullshit but still perpetuate it outside the shitshow.  They are no different to the Nazis who fled to Argentina to continue their lifestyle.</p>
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		By: chuck beatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 22:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538361&quot;&gt;jim rowles&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks.   I&#039;ve been meaning to someday study up this exact prior Crowley material to confirm what is so widely agreed with what you stated.   Must do this someday, just for seeing this for myself, not that the abilities are &quot;real&quot;, just imaginarily in the mind &quot;real.&quot;  But not something I&#039;m drawn to today, (going into intro Buddhism myself).

I agree, Hubbard was about selling stuff.   His final writings to Author Services Inc have the theme of &quot;LRH Products&quot; which make money, with the ASI symbol being a cornucopia and all.   LRH wanted to make return in monetary terms for his &quot;LRH products&quot; which were his fiction, his nonfiction &quot;church&quot; products, his &quot;license agreements&quot; which shackled the front groups with payments to pay for using the LRH &quot;tech&quot; in the WISE, ABLE &quot;sectors&quot;, Hubbard&#039;s orders to ED Int were &quot;points of business&quot; oriented, sheesh, Hubbard in his final official movement and ASI writings was ALL about making a return of money for all his myriad cornucopia of LRH products.   Films too, and turning his pulp era stories into films too, sheesh, it was all about making his &quot;LRH products&quot; sell and get something for them.  

There is so much grounds supporting Prof Stephen Kent&#039;s early 1990s paper that Scientology was a business oriented &quot;religion&quot;.   

I&#039;d say today, the selling of the pseudo-therapy and exorcism and OT drills, it&#039;s a business religion, and then the ASI wing of Hubbard&#039;s final wishes, they sell his fiction and long term will always have their ASI orders to make more films out of his fiction, even with the flopping of Battlefield Earth movie.    Hubbard wished much more film making of his fiction &quot;LRH properties.&quot;

Yes.  The &quot;church&quot; Bridge of services is long, and meant to be remunerative and make money, I always thought the money was to make it viable that way.

But today studying Buddhism, boy, they don&#039;t do any selling, all the whole Buddhist &quot;Dharma&quot; (teachings fo the Buddha) are all free.   You might have to find a teacher, but the best teachers&#039; material is on YouTube, sheesh!   
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538361">jim rowles</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks.   I&#8217;ve been meaning to someday study up this exact prior Crowley material to confirm what is so widely agreed with what you stated.   Must do this someday, just for seeing this for myself, not that the abilities are &#8220;real&#8221;, just imaginarily in the mind &#8220;real.&#8221;  But not something I&#8217;m drawn to today, (going into intro Buddhism myself).</p>
<p>I agree, Hubbard was about selling stuff.   His final writings to Author Services Inc have the theme of &#8220;LRH Products&#8221; which make money, with the ASI symbol being a cornucopia and all.   LRH wanted to make return in monetary terms for his &#8220;LRH products&#8221; which were his fiction, his nonfiction &#8220;church&#8221; products, his &#8220;license agreements&#8221; which shackled the front groups with payments to pay for using the LRH &#8220;tech&#8221; in the WISE, ABLE &#8220;sectors&#8221;, Hubbard&#8217;s orders to ED Int were &#8220;points of business&#8221; oriented, sheesh, Hubbard in his final official movement and ASI writings was ALL about making a return of money for all his myriad cornucopia of LRH products.   Films too, and turning his pulp era stories into films too, sheesh, it was all about making his &#8220;LRH products&#8221; sell and get something for them.  </p>
<p>There is so much grounds supporting Prof Stephen Kent&#8217;s early 1990s paper that Scientology was a business oriented &#8220;religion&#8221;.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say today, the selling of the pseudo-therapy and exorcism and OT drills, it&#8217;s a business religion, and then the ASI wing of Hubbard&#8217;s final wishes, they sell his fiction and long term will always have their ASI orders to make more films out of his fiction, even with the flopping of Battlefield Earth movie.    Hubbard wished much more film making of his fiction &#8220;LRH properties.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  The &#8220;church&#8221; Bridge of services is long, and meant to be remunerative and make money, I always thought the money was to make it viable that way.</p>
<p>But today studying Buddhism, boy, they don&#8217;t do any selling, all the whole Buddhist &#8220;Dharma&#8221; (teachings fo the Buddha) are all free.   You might have to find a teacher, but the best teachers&#8217; material is on YouTube, sheesh!<br />
free</p>
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		By: Stefan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stefan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538344&quot;&gt;Sea Org Tech Discussions&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Were you one of his pcs?&quot;

No.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538344">Sea Org Tech Discussions</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Were you one of his pcs?&#8221;</p>
<p>No.</p>
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		By: jim rowles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538352&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Re: Old OT levels 4-6.
In 1972 I got the PDC tapes and listened to them intently.  Hubbard referenced his &#039;good friend&#039; Aliester Crowley and the book &#039;Magik in Theory and Practice&#039;.  I got the book and found it difficult but interesting as Crowley wrote about developing OT abilities.  I left scientology in the early 80&#039;s and after doing OT3 Eps.
In the late 1990s I downloaded the &#039;old&#039; OT levels and recognized that Hubbard had plagiarized Crowley&#039;s works.  The many solo steps in the OT7 pack were mostly Hubbard&#039;s thoughts so at least he was good at merging ideas and repackaging them to fit his agenda.

I still think the &#039;old&#039; OT levels were scrapped because the individual could spend months to years doing personal solo drills to get to a completion. There was no money in that.  Plus many individuals were hooked on rapid thrills/result and were too impatient to do 2 hours of TR0, much less a long term investment in time and effort in drilling the OT levels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538352">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>Re: Old OT levels 4-6.<br />
In 1972 I got the PDC tapes and listened to them intently.  Hubbard referenced his &#8216;good friend&#8217; Aliester Crowley and the book &#8216;Magik in Theory and Practice&#8217;.  I got the book and found it difficult but interesting as Crowley wrote about developing OT abilities.  I left scientology in the early 80&#8217;s and after doing OT3 Eps.<br />
In the late 1990s I downloaded the &#8216;old&#8217; OT levels and recognized that Hubbard had plagiarized Crowley&#8217;s works.  The many solo steps in the OT7 pack were mostly Hubbard&#8217;s thoughts so at least he was good at merging ideas and repackaging them to fit his agenda.</p>
<p>I still think the &#8216;old&#8217; OT levels were scrapped because the individual could spend months to years doing personal solo drills to get to a completion. There was no money in that.  Plus many individuals were hooked on rapid thrills/result and were too impatient to do 2 hours of TR0, much less a long term investment in time and effort in drilling the OT levels.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 10:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LRH prided himself and kept to himself, this &quot;job&quot; of coming up with the &quot;tech&quot; quackery procedures for the steps of the stepladder of Scientology auditing and solo auditing services.

The foundation is &quot;case.&quot;

A person&#039;s &quot;case&quot; is the target of the Hubbard auditing/exorcism tech quackery techniques.

The old OT levels had a few, now discontinued, &quot;OT exercises.&quot;

Many have speculated since the time that the old OT levels/exercises were discontinued, that maybe LRH would later insert the discontinued OT exercises back as upper upper OT levels above OT 8 somewhere.

SO, per the Hubbard routine for researching, piloting, refining, releasing &quot;new&quot; tech quackery levels above OT 8, the &quot;case&quot; folders of LRH for sure are the key.

But also, the &quot;case&quot; folders of anyone when LRH was case supervising and perfecting the procedures of the old OT levels that have been discontinued.   

Any of the other people&#039;s &quot;case&quot; folders that LRH case supervised, on ANY of the today discontinued &quot;old&quot; OT levels stuff, all those peoples&#039; case folders need be reviewed also.

To really do the Sherlock Holmes&#039; sleuthing to dig up what LRH ever said was upper &quot;case&quot; alleviation or upper &quot;OT exercises&quot; would need to be done.

And there has been ZERO talk of anyone even putting together this upper &quot;case&quot; research.

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In the late 1980s after LRH died, there were some top Class 12s, the Eastments, came to the Int Base.

What did they do?   Did they do any LRH case folders study.   

Has anyone heard of anyone doing the research into ALL of the person&#039;s case folders that LRH ever case supervised, and sorted that all into categories, and which of those other person&#039;s case folders would be ones to be paired up with any upper OT levels research?

To me,  because all these years I&#039;ve been out, and no one sensibly even discusses the upper OT levels case alleviation/OT exercises, with how LRH had tech researched and piloted and released, re-researched, re-piloted, re-released, and then the &quot;case folder&quot; study part is critical of ALL of the LRH case supervised cases.

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When I was a newbie Sea Org member, both Rick Sheehy and Alan Gilbert (sp?) were on the Expanded Dianetics research, studying the case folders of the persons LRH case supervised and other Class 12s had priorly audited for LRH on these Expanded Dianetics cases.

Rick explained in general what he was doing, I recall, when I asked him.   Also later I spoke with Alan Glbert(sp?) and he also mentioned the Expanded Dianetics researching/compiling he had been on.

The compiling of LRH &quot;tech&quot; into the final releasable stuff that public can pay and do, is going through all of the case folders where LRH case supervised doing that stuff on them.

So, it&#039;s a whole lot of case folders study, and no one talks about it.

The case folders archives, and where all those LRH case supervised cases folders are today, all have to be dug up.

It means a huge huge amount of case folders study.

It means going back all the way to the 1950s, 1960s, all case folders LRH even had a hand in.

Who was on those projects since LRH died, what have they looked over.

Where are those case folders today?   Who has access, who ever was on any FESing, and research projects looking through all those case folders.

People who worked in the big case folders building at Flag in Clearwater, might be in the know, they might remember moving certain people&#039;s case folders to places.

There might be rooms at Int Base with these relevant LRH case supervised case folders of other peoples.

That&#039;s the kind of digging into this basic research that would and has to be done in line with the LRH principles for compiling the &quot;upper&quot; OT levels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LRH prided himself and kept to himself, this &#8220;job&#8221; of coming up with the &#8220;tech&#8221; quackery procedures for the steps of the stepladder of Scientology auditing and solo auditing services.</p>
<p>The foundation is &#8220;case.&#8221;</p>
<p>A person&#8217;s &#8220;case&#8221; is the target of the Hubbard auditing/exorcism tech quackery techniques.</p>
<p>The old OT levels had a few, now discontinued, &#8220;OT exercises.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many have speculated since the time that the old OT levels/exercises were discontinued, that maybe LRH would later insert the discontinued OT exercises back as upper upper OT levels above OT 8 somewhere.</p>
<p>SO, per the Hubbard routine for researching, piloting, refining, releasing &#8220;new&#8221; tech quackery levels above OT 8, the &#8220;case&#8221; folders of LRH for sure are the key.</p>
<p>But also, the &#8220;case&#8221; folders of anyone when LRH was case supervising and perfecting the procedures of the old OT levels that have been discontinued.   </p>
<p>Any of the other people&#8217;s &#8220;case&#8221; folders that LRH case supervised, on ANY of the today discontinued &#8220;old&#8221; OT levels stuff, all those peoples&#8217; case folders need be reviewed also.</p>
<p>To really do the Sherlock Holmes&#8217; sleuthing to dig up what LRH ever said was upper &#8220;case&#8221; alleviation or upper &#8220;OT exercises&#8221; would need to be done.</p>
<p>And there has been ZERO talk of anyone even putting together this upper &#8220;case&#8221; research.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>In the late 1980s after LRH died, there were some top Class 12s, the Eastments, came to the Int Base.</p>
<p>What did they do?   Did they do any LRH case folders study.   </p>
<p>Has anyone heard of anyone doing the research into ALL of the person&#8217;s case folders that LRH ever case supervised, and sorted that all into categories, and which of those other person&#8217;s case folders would be ones to be paired up with any upper OT levels research?</p>
<p>To me,  because all these years I&#8217;ve been out, and no one sensibly even discusses the upper OT levels case alleviation/OT exercises, with how LRH had tech researched and piloted and released, re-researched, re-piloted, re-released, and then the &#8220;case folder&#8221; study part is critical of ALL of the LRH case supervised cases.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>When I was a newbie Sea Org member, both Rick Sheehy and Alan Gilbert (sp?) were on the Expanded Dianetics research, studying the case folders of the persons LRH case supervised and other Class 12s had priorly audited for LRH on these Expanded Dianetics cases.</p>
<p>Rick explained in general what he was doing, I recall, when I asked him.   Also later I spoke with Alan Glbert(sp?) and he also mentioned the Expanded Dianetics researching/compiling he had been on.</p>
<p>The compiling of LRH &#8220;tech&#8221; into the final releasable stuff that public can pay and do, is going through all of the case folders where LRH case supervised doing that stuff on them.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s a whole lot of case folders study, and no one talks about it.</p>
<p>The case folders archives, and where all those LRH case supervised cases folders are today, all have to be dug up.</p>
<p>It means a huge huge amount of case folders study.</p>
<p>It means going back all the way to the 1950s, 1960s, all case folders LRH even had a hand in.</p>
<p>Who was on those projects since LRH died, what have they looked over.</p>
<p>Where are those case folders today?   Who has access, who ever was on any FESing, and research projects looking through all those case folders.</p>
<p>People who worked in the big case folders building at Flag in Clearwater, might be in the know, they might remember moving certain people&#8217;s case folders to places.</p>
<p>There might be rooms at Int Base with these relevant LRH case supervised case folders of other peoples.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the kind of digging into this basic research that would and has to be done in line with the LRH principles for compiling the &#8220;upper&#8221; OT levels.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538234&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

It goes further back.  You can start with 1950 and Dianetics, and stop right there, don&#039;t even grant that Hubbard&#039;s earliest quackery for auditor and preclear to co-engage in, it&#039;s quackery and bogus from then all the way up to the Miscavige era.

Miscavige is no &quot;tech&quot; (quackery) torch relay carrier.

The Hubbard quackery legacy was bogus from day one, to now.  

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But I&#039;m curious was it Ray Mithoff who cherry picked through LRH&#039;s folders to come up with the first version of LRH&#039;s solo &quot;case&quot; folders to do the bits of the earliest version(s) of OT 8?

I&#039;ve always thought that Miscavige could simply never have been one to even know the Hubbard &quot;tech&quot; quackery sufficiently to know the various principles Hubbard concluded were the sequence of &quot;case&quot; alleviation necessary to &quot;crack a person&#039;s&quot; &quot;OT case&quot; or any other &quot;case&quot; lingering in our soul minds which the Hubbard quackery levels address, bit by bit.

It&#039;s always the basic principle of &quot;case&quot;, our soul memories &quot;case&quot; or the &quot;case&quot; of BTs which leaks over onto our soul mind debilitating us that way also.

But it&#039;s &quot;case&quot; and discovering what &quot;case&quot; is still lingering around us which is debilitating us.

Then the research Hubbard did, was narrowing down what &quot;case&quot; was still there.

The review of Hubbard&#039;s solo &quot;case&quot; folders are what the top &quot;tech&quot; people, which I thought would be Mithoff and then the few  RTC top &quot;tech&quot; people who were old Apollo vets, like possibly Hara Klein, and Jeff Walker, and maybe the Eastment&#039;s were doing that digging to find what other &quot;case&quot; LRH was digging into.   

The techniques to address whatever other &quot;case&quot; LRH thought was there to dig up and alleviate with one or another of the Hubbard established techniques, is essentially what the future OT levels above OT 8 would then be piloted and once piloted, then turned into broader levels to be issued to the public.

This procedure for digging up which new tech quackery levels, I thought just meant that really top trained Class 12s and persons who know of the whole Hubbard tech quackery saga in great detail, be given full access to Hubbard&#039;s full &quot;case&quot; folders, and comb through them all.

Karen, how many &quot;case&quot; folders did Hubbard have, do you know approximately?

Karen, was it the Eastment&#039;s or Jeff Walker, or Ray Mithoff alone, who did this digging into LRH&#039;s final &quot;case&quot; folders?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538234">Karen de la Carriere</a>.</p>
<p>It goes further back.  You can start with 1950 and Dianetics, and stop right there, don&#8217;t even grant that Hubbard&#8217;s earliest quackery for auditor and preclear to co-engage in, it&#8217;s quackery and bogus from then all the way up to the Miscavige era.</p>
<p>Miscavige is no &#8220;tech&#8221; (quackery) torch relay carrier.</p>
<p>The Hubbard quackery legacy was bogus from day one, to now.  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m curious was it Ray Mithoff who cherry picked through LRH&#8217;s folders to come up with the first version of LRH&#8217;s solo &#8220;case&#8221; folders to do the bits of the earliest version(s) of OT 8?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that Miscavige could simply never have been one to even know the Hubbard &#8220;tech&#8221; quackery sufficiently to know the various principles Hubbard concluded were the sequence of &#8220;case&#8221; alleviation necessary to &#8220;crack a person&#8217;s&#8221; &#8220;OT case&#8221; or any other &#8220;case&#8221; lingering in our soul minds which the Hubbard quackery levels address, bit by bit.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always the basic principle of &#8220;case&#8221;, our soul memories &#8220;case&#8221; or the &#8220;case&#8221; of BTs which leaks over onto our soul mind debilitating us that way also.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s &#8220;case&#8221; and discovering what &#8220;case&#8221; is still lingering around us which is debilitating us.</p>
<p>Then the research Hubbard did, was narrowing down what &#8220;case&#8221; was still there.</p>
<p>The review of Hubbard&#8217;s solo &#8220;case&#8221; folders are what the top &#8220;tech&#8221; people, which I thought would be Mithoff and then the few  RTC top &#8220;tech&#8221; people who were old Apollo vets, like possibly Hara Klein, and Jeff Walker, and maybe the Eastment&#8217;s were doing that digging to find what other &#8220;case&#8221; LRH was digging into.   </p>
<p>The techniques to address whatever other &#8220;case&#8221; LRH thought was there to dig up and alleviate with one or another of the Hubbard established techniques, is essentially what the future OT levels above OT 8 would then be piloted and once piloted, then turned into broader levels to be issued to the public.</p>
<p>This procedure for digging up which new tech quackery levels, I thought just meant that really top trained Class 12s and persons who know of the whole Hubbard tech quackery saga in great detail, be given full access to Hubbard&#8217;s full &#8220;case&#8221; folders, and comb through them all.</p>
<p>Karen, how many &#8220;case&#8221; folders did Hubbard have, do you know approximately?</p>
<p>Karen, was it the Eastment&#8217;s or Jeff Walker, or Ray Mithoff alone, who did this digging into LRH&#8217;s final &#8220;case&#8221; folders?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538310&quot;&gt;Stefan&lt;/a&gt;.

As far as I know he was selling OT 9&#038;10. Were you one of his pcs? I choose not to talk further just because he is no longer with us. RIP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-are-closer-than-you-think-david-miscavige-april-1993/#comment-538310">Stefan</a>.</p>
<p>As far as I know he was selling OT 9&amp;10. Were you one of his pcs? I choose not to talk further just because he is no longer with us. RIP.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember a few years ago when a briefing by an FSM on OT IX and X had people saying that they were created from something and going to be released and I said it would not happen. Generations of Scientology staff, public, and Sea Org members remember the birthday game and the claim that ALL class V orgs must be the size of Old Saint Hill. The whole point of the birthday game was getting each and every org to that size and it included definitive stats regarding income, auditing hours, number of staff and on and on.

The decades of following that program are not going to magically disappear.

Miscavige can&#039;t magically find a couple hundred staff per org and a few hundred public. He simply doesn&#039;t have enough people in Scientology.

He is stuck. The upper OT levels simply can never be released, even if he somehow had something to deliver.

I said it then and I will say it now. 

David Miscavige is stuck with far too many people who know that the OT levels above VIII require ALL orgs to be Saint Hill Size. Every single one. 

Most orgs are dead and they can&#039;t get the combined total of staff and public into triple digits, many can&#039;t get fifty people between public and staff. 

New people joining Scientology in the US is almost an absolute flat line. 

The OT levels are done being released.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a few years ago when a briefing by an FSM on OT IX and X had people saying that they were created from something and going to be released and I said it would not happen. Generations of Scientology staff, public, and Sea Org members remember the birthday game and the claim that ALL class V orgs must be the size of Old Saint Hill. The whole point of the birthday game was getting each and every org to that size and it included definitive stats regarding income, auditing hours, number of staff and on and on.</p>
<p>The decades of following that program are not going to magically disappear.</p>
<p>Miscavige can&#8217;t magically find a couple hundred staff per org and a few hundred public. He simply doesn&#8217;t have enough people in Scientology.</p>
<p>He is stuck. The upper OT levels simply can never be released, even if he somehow had something to deliver.</p>
<p>I said it then and I will say it now. </p>
<p>David Miscavige is stuck with far too many people who know that the OT levels above VIII require ALL orgs to be Saint Hill Size. Every single one. </p>
<p>Most orgs are dead and they can&#8217;t get the combined total of staff and public into triple digits, many can&#8217;t get fifty people between public and staff. </p>
<p>New people joining Scientology in the US is almost an absolute flat line. </p>
<p>The OT levels are done being released.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reminded me of :
https://pierreethier.wordpress.com/ot-viii-and-beyond/

Pierre passed away last year:
https://pierreethier.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/crossing-over-in-memory/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminded me of :<br />
<a href="https://pierreethier.wordpress.com/ot-viii-and-beyond/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pierreethier.wordpress.com/ot-viii-and-beyond/</a></p>
<p>Pierre passed away last year:<br />
<a href="https://pierreethier.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/crossing-over-in-memory/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pierreethier.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/crossing-over-in-memory/</a></p>
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