My biggest win was getting my wife off of the ship while I was still alive. That was by far the toughest thing I did in Scn. The Captain knew that if he stalled long enough I would be dead and the problem solved. He came very close to pulling it off.

No one can change facts except in their heads and this is what we are experiencing with Hubbard as Lucifer and OT VIII. There is no doubt that Hubbard wrote the 1980 Bulletin. It fits in perfectly with the entire religion. You see Scientology was copied out of texts that were available in the 1900-1940 time period published even in the newspapers. All Hubbard did was to copy the Theosophy occult model and degenerate it into the production of evil in the universe. The reason you cannot see the OT VIII Bulletin is because you cannot see the whole of Scientology. Scientology is in reality nothing more than a sixth grade religion. You cannot get hung up on the auditing or the processes. Hubbard was issuing a challenge because he was running out of time. You are assigning too much value to Scientology as a religion.
In July, 1988, I was given the Student Briefing of 1980 with Hubbard announcing his role as Lucifer on the Freewinds. I cannot change that. Besides, I have said this over and over, there is a general misunderstanding about Lucifer. He was not such a bad dude and Hubbard meant him as the “light bearer’ You are stuck in myth. Now the part of Jesus as a pedophile is your real problem in Scientology. This statement by Hubbard was traced back to South Africa because I believe that the primary FSM that drove expansion the country was gay. The second theory id that there was a clear gay person who gave his story on Ortega’s blog. He was showcased by Hubbbrad. Hubbard tried to make him more evil. Need more proof? Get a life. You can check this out. Anyway, Hubbard had a total misunderstanding of gays. The tone scale was just copied from Theosophists and changed. So sorry to tell you this but the curtain has finally been pulled back on Scientology.

Wy, the whole thing is a fraud. This nonsense was never written by LRH. There was indeed a separate “processes” bulletin which I have read and the processes were wacky to say the least. Either George is 1) making it all up, or 2) perpetuating the original fraud (he has written a book about it now!), or 3) Miscavige tried it out as an April Fool’s type joke to see what people would believe (and it seemingly worked if such was the case).

The 1969 OTVIII HCOB you mention has no relation at all to this 1980 Lucifer/Jesus/Pedophile thing. The 1969 HCOB was written by LRH. You cannot mistake the tone and content of the text.

If anyone believed or still believes that drivel about Lucifer etc. they need their heads examining!

But was there some bulletins like OTVIII series 2, 3 etc.?

You see, with OTIII, you have this first bulletin (handwritten) with the story, and then many other bulletins explaining the auditing. And a full check sheet with drills etc.

I couldn’t work out how to apply this OTVIII series 1 to auditing, and I used to be a trained auditor.
So there should have been a check sheet with more information, a process sheet, some drills otherwise it would have been impossible to use.

Oddly enough, no part of this OTVIII of 1980 has ever leaked, except this first bulletin.

Personnaly, I did in 1989, the OTVIII starting with the solo CS 53.

A rumor said that there was many versions of OTVIII (run on the ship, I don’t include the bulletin of 1969, “OTVIII why thetans mock up”).

Now I knew many OTVIII (I mean in the free zone, in the church they wouldn’t have said a word about the subject)
And none of them ever did the 1980 version, including those who did it in 1988 when OTVIII was issued.

Aside when I was on the church, the 1980 version would have been qualified as “Out of the world”, “LRH made it again !” “The biggest truth ever said” etc. This version was more science fiction than OTIII. People should have been amazed, thrilled. (and regges would have used it, to get money!)
But there was not such a buzz
What I heard in 1988 was “its very simple, but there is a lot of gains” (maybe gains where not so impressive but it certainly was simple).
Aside, I know some couple, where one did OTVIII in 1988, and the other after 1990, or later.
Those people left the church and since they had nothing to say on the subject.

So, my take is that this “level” never was delivered in the church. So, to me, it’s a contrary fact that you assert that you did it. Unless you can really explain how you audited it.

You see, I’m just curious. I just like to know.

Anyhow, I strongly believe that none of those OTVIII were ever written but Hubbard. I could explain why I believe so.

It doesn’t mean that if there was one written by Hubbard it would automatically do good.

I just mean to know the actual facts which happened.

w

The Bulletin, of course, contained the “off this universe people and the incidents”. There were many incidents.

True to form for Scientology, we developed our own framework. The auditing was about History of Man, and the contents of the Bulletin. You know it was advertised as “unique for you”. I could write a volume about it but this is a blog and very little is covered.

Hah! As if they’d bother taking anyone on. They will hand out a few leaflets, take a selfie with a little village mayor, claim eleventy million people have been “salvaged”, hold another “vitally important briefing” then reg the crap out of eachother. Rinse and repeat.

What has leaked on internet, was only the OTVIII series 1.
Now, was there other bulletins, what was the processing all about?w

Whoever commented, I do not see a record of it on the blog. I did the earlier version of OTVIII with the 1980 Bulletin. I know people who did it much later and did the CS 53 versions.

Georges what OTVIII did you do the “OTVIII series 1” from 1980, with the 78 million year ago incident with people off this universe, or the checksheet from 1985, starting with History of Man, the solo CS 53, and the check for true/false on incidents?