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		By: MJ		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38879</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 04:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38850&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

The blind are still leading the blind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38850">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>The blind are still leading the blind.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38850</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 01:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The list at the end is so disgusting.   This is the state of Scn., begging for money from people ad nauseum in a convoluted attempt to save the world via GORGEOUS buildings.  Ughh!!  I hate to see those people with targets on their foreheads like Bob and Nancy Forrest who&#039;ve devoted their entire lives to Scn and have been through hell.  It&#039;s so hard for me to believe people still give money with the obvious misuse of funds that&#039;s sooo evident.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The list at the end is so disgusting.   This is the state of Scn., begging for money from people ad nauseum in a convoluted attempt to save the world via GORGEOUS buildings.  Ughh!!  I hate to see those people with targets on their foreheads like Bob and Nancy Forrest who&#8217;ve devoted their entire lives to Scn and have been through hell.  It&#8217;s so hard for me to believe people still give money with the obvious misuse of funds that&#8217;s sooo evident.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38811</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2014 20:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That list at the end makes me want to barf.  Privacy is completely ignored when it comes to parishioner donations.  Not everyone wants the amount of their donations known to everyone else, whether they&#039;ve given a a lot or a little. 

The only real activity going on in OTC is regging each other for money and keeping track of everyone else&#039;s personal business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That list at the end makes me want to barf.  Privacy is completely ignored when it comes to parishioner donations.  Not everyone wants the amount of their donations known to everyone else, whether they&#8217;ve given a a lot or a little. </p>
<p>The only real activity going on in OTC is regging each other for money and keeping track of everyone else&#8217;s personal business.</p>
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		By: hiatus57		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38746</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2014 14:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38577&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

In my spare time I run &quot;standard NOTS&quot; C/S&#039;d By a Trained Class IX rather than the &quot;oh this is my version its really good stuff&quot; rubbish that only ends up with people giving up their auditing as they get NCG.

I can also Spell Scientology correctly]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38577">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>In my spare time I run &#8220;standard NOTS&#8221; C/S&#8217;d By a Trained Class IX rather than the &#8220;oh this is my version its really good stuff&#8221; rubbish that only ends up with people giving up their auditing as they get NCG.</p>
<p>I can also Spell Scientology correctly</p>
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		By: Ashaman		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38719</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2014 10:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do agree with you about donations. Why isn&#039;t a training level mentioned? (There are so few people trained these days. It&#039;s a shame.).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree with you about donations. Why isn&#8217;t a training level mentioned? (There are so few people trained these days. It&#8217;s a shame.).</p>
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		By: Ashaman		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38716</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38667&quot;&gt;FOTF2012&lt;/a&gt;.

It takes more than one meat body life of 60 years to create a new civilization. Faster than light travel (which most physicists deny is possible) and &quot;atomic powered race cars&quot; are from a &quot;Type 1&quot; or &quot;Type 2 civilizations. Here&#039;s good doctor Michio Kaku to explain the difference:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1_BsxOwzU         (Cancer is racket and has been cured a long time, in my opinion).

How do you know someone hasn&#039;t pulled something off the track and made money from it? I remember all the JPL boys on the BC with me back in the &#039;80s. Those guys where real scientists and  rich. How about those &#039;70s OT7&#039;s that freaked out the CIA (and others) at Stanford Research Institute. They could have made a lot of bucks with their tricks. I remember hearing a talk by those guys at Davis Mission in the &#039;70s

The OT levels have been messed with by Miscavage and others more than anything else in scientology. And the OT levels of the &#039;70s are much different than those of today.

But one thing I know for sure: you don&#039;t have do any OT Levels. There just for us suckers (cool-aid drinker refers to someone still in.) And they are cheap in the Indie field.I will do every OT level I can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38667">FOTF2012</a>.</p>
<p>It takes more than one meat body life of 60 years to create a new civilization. Faster than light travel (which most physicists deny is possible) and &#8220;atomic powered race cars&#8221; are from a &#8220;Type 1&#8221; or &#8220;Type 2 civilizations. Here&#8217;s good doctor Michio Kaku to explain the difference:<br />
 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1_BsxOwzU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1_BsxOwzU</a>         (Cancer is racket and has been cured a long time, in my opinion).</p>
<p>How do you know someone hasn&#8217;t pulled something off the track and made money from it? I remember all the JPL boys on the BC with me back in the &#8217;80s. Those guys where real scientists and  rich. How about those &#8217;70s OT7&#8217;s that freaked out the CIA (and others) at Stanford Research Institute. They could have made a lot of bucks with their tricks. I remember hearing a talk by those guys at Davis Mission in the &#8217;70s</p>
<p>The OT levels have been messed with by Miscavage and others more than anything else in scientology. And the OT levels of the &#8217;70s are much different than those of today.</p>
<p>But one thing I know for sure: you don&#8217;t have do any OT Levels. There just for us suckers (cool-aid drinker refers to someone still in.) And they are cheap in the Indie field.I will do every OT level I can.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38710</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38588&quot;&gt;OutandFree&lt;/a&gt;.

So if that is Wig Adams, he must have left Flag SO staff and is now a public person attending OTC meetings.  Or did they appoint a Flag staff member to preside over or help the OTC?  Anyone know anything?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38588">OutandFree</a>.</p>
<p>So if that is Wig Adams, he must have left Flag SO staff and is now a public person attending OTC meetings.  Or did they appoint a Flag staff member to preside over or help the OTC?  Anyone know anything?</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38678</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2014 03:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38661&quot;&gt;Ashaman&lt;/a&gt;.

And Dave, there ain&#039;t a thing you can do about it. We don&#039;t follow your orders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38661">Ashaman</a>.</p>
<p>And Dave, there ain&#8217;t a thing you can do about it. We don&#8217;t follow your orders.</p>
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		By: FOTF2012		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/otc-news/#comment-38667</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2014 03:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One other thought on this pathetic state of donation-seeking affairs. 

Scientology has 60 years of whole track exploration, clear-making, and OT production to have had many people &quot;remember&quot; any number of inventions, technology, faster-than-light travel, cures for cancer, atomic-powered race cars, you name -- any of the things developed in the last trillions of years or more &quot;recently&quot; by the Marcabs. 

So if Scientology recovered anything real from the whole track, Scientology would own patents beyond measurable value by now. They would not need to hit up their members for more money. They would be wealthy beyond imagination. 

But that would have happened only if Scientology really tapped an actual whole track. And yet Kool-Aid drinkers will justify the lack of such evidence. They are exterior but cannot demonstrate it becaue their exterior perceptics are too weak. Or they are still peeling layers of charge off their whole tracks, so they do not have a good enough memory yet to remember how ancient, advanced technology worked. 

Okay, good self-imposed blindness. But with all those OT VIIIs, including folks like the Moxon&#039;s who can stop alien invasions from their backyard over drinks, with all those types -- not even one can remember an actual piece of technology that could remake life on Earth and secure the fortunes of Scientology forever? 

The other justification is that it would be &quot;out-gradient&quot; for others to be shown those awesome OT powers. So, for fear of shocking a few people to prove the truth, Scientology would let the whole human race decline into endless despair and destruction? That would be the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics? 

I submit to the reader that the Church of Scientology is focused on donations for two reasons: (1) it knows the bridge in general does not deliver, so they&#039;ll rewrite it and tone it down, putting &quot;true&quot; OT powers ever further into some unspecified future; and (2) in 60 years no one has achieved the abilities that Hubbard claimed people would get; and that includes not being able to remember a damn thing of concrete, applicable value from the whole track that could be developed now as proof of the &quot;tech&quot; and to be used to benefit humanity. 

Schade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thought on this pathetic state of donation-seeking affairs. </p>
<p>Scientology has 60 years of whole track exploration, clear-making, and OT production to have had many people &#8220;remember&#8221; any number of inventions, technology, faster-than-light travel, cures for cancer, atomic-powered race cars, you name &#8212; any of the things developed in the last trillions of years or more &#8220;recently&#8221; by the Marcabs. </p>
<p>So if Scientology recovered anything real from the whole track, Scientology would own patents beyond measurable value by now. They would not need to hit up their members for more money. They would be wealthy beyond imagination. </p>
<p>But that would have happened only if Scientology really tapped an actual whole track. And yet Kool-Aid drinkers will justify the lack of such evidence. They are exterior but cannot demonstrate it becaue their exterior perceptics are too weak. Or they are still peeling layers of charge off their whole tracks, so they do not have a good enough memory yet to remember how ancient, advanced technology worked. </p>
<p>Okay, good self-imposed blindness. But with all those OT VIIIs, including folks like the Moxon&#8217;s who can stop alien invasions from their backyard over drinks, with all those types &#8212; not even one can remember an actual piece of technology that could remake life on Earth and secure the fortunes of Scientology forever? </p>
<p>The other justification is that it would be &#8220;out-gradient&#8221; for others to be shown those awesome OT powers. So, for fear of shocking a few people to prove the truth, Scientology would let the whole human race decline into endless despair and destruction? That would be the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics? </p>
<p>I submit to the reader that the Church of Scientology is focused on donations for two reasons: (1) it knows the bridge in general does not deliver, so they&#8217;ll rewrite it and tone it down, putting &#8220;true&#8221; OT powers ever further into some unspecified future; and (2) in 60 years no one has achieved the abilities that Hubbard claimed people would get; and that includes not being able to remember a damn thing of concrete, applicable value from the whole track that could be developed now as proof of the &#8220;tech&#8221; and to be used to benefit humanity. </p>
<p>Schade.</p>
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		By: FOTF2012		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2014 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I looked at that donations list. I was deeply saddened. It represents the betrayal of a passionate dream that many of us had: a dream of spiritual growth and liberation with an honest organization holding the route open. 

But there is not a single mention on that donations list of anyone&#039;s meaningful status on the bridge -- no mention of training or auditing. No mention of grade levels, clears, OT levels, training levels, etc.

In &quot;wog&quot; organizational development theory, we would say that the Church of Scientology is off mission. Once upon a time, its mission was training and well done auditing to ever higher and higher levels. Now it is donations and meaningless, made-up donor nomenclature to higher and higher levels that represent one thing: cannibalization of first and second dynamic resources by an insatiable third dynamic.  

In the real world, organizations that don&#039;t understand their mission fail. But with Church of Scientology, maybe it is that the earlier camouflage mission of advanced spiritual states is seen to no longer be defensible (no objectively verified results), and the real mission is thus revealed: acquisition of MEST universe power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at that donations list. I was deeply saddened. It represents the betrayal of a passionate dream that many of us had: a dream of spiritual growth and liberation with an honest organization holding the route open. </p>
<p>But there is not a single mention on that donations list of anyone&#8217;s meaningful status on the bridge &#8212; no mention of training or auditing. No mention of grade levels, clears, OT levels, training levels, etc.</p>
<p>In &#8220;wog&#8221; organizational development theory, we would say that the Church of Scientology is off mission. Once upon a time, its mission was training and well done auditing to ever higher and higher levels. Now it is donations and meaningless, made-up donor nomenclature to higher and higher levels that represent one thing: cannibalization of first and second dynamic resources by an insatiable third dynamic.  </p>
<p>In the real world, organizations that don&#8217;t understand their mission fail. But with Church of Scientology, maybe it is that the earlier camouflage mission of advanced spiritual states is seen to no longer be defensible (no objectively verified results), and the real mission is thus revealed: acquisition of MEST universe power.</p>
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