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		By: FOS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 02:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57663&quot;&gt;Tony DePhillips&lt;/a&gt;.

My opinion on this matter is that when I stopped trying to defend COB and upper management I found the ridges just went away. I said, you know, there are a$$holes running that Church right now. What you mostly encounter anymore is about their crimes against their parishioners and former parishioners. The philosophy I encountered worked and helped me. I never encountered any of that other crap people seem so adamant on talking about. It&#039;s amazing when you indicate the truth. COB is an A$$ and suddenly this makes sense. Power positions are typically held by SPs in govt, police, military, etc. It makes sense to them that the controversy is because of these jerks at the top.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57663">Tony DePhillips</a>.</p>
<p>My opinion on this matter is that when I stopped trying to defend COB and upper management I found the ridges just went away. I said, you know, there are a$$holes running that Church right now. What you mostly encounter anymore is about their crimes against their parishioners and former parishioners. The philosophy I encountered worked and helped me. I never encountered any of that other crap people seem so adamant on talking about. It&#8217;s amazing when you indicate the truth. COB is an A$$ and suddenly this makes sense. Power positions are typically held by SPs in govt, police, military, etc. It makes sense to them that the controversy is because of these jerks at the top.</p>
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		By: iamvalkov		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 04:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57812&quot;&gt;Hiatus57&lt;/a&gt;.

This is not even a clever make-wrong.]]></description>
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<p>This is not even a clever make-wrong.</p>
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		By: Pete2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57932&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

In Denver I see they sold 2,300 books last month in exchange for parking at the Rockies game--seems to skew the stats some.


It&#039;s a VERY exciting and busy time at our Denver Ideal Org...

● There have been 56 Purification Rundown completions since the release of GAT II
● 63 students are on the Survival Rundown
● Denver was #1 WUS for Purif &#038; Survival Rundown starts, week ending 3 July 14
● Over 2300 new public have bought an LRH book or DVD while parking in our lot for a Rockies Game 
● The Drug-Free World campaign is now being implemented in Denver
● We have an Introductory Free Film &#038; Lecture EVERY Friday night at 7:30pm for new public

Come to the Org and join in on all the fun!!

CONGRATS TO ALL OUR RECENT COMPLETIONS!
Purification Rundown: Wayne Hoffman, Rob Campisi, Belinda Buck, Tom Woodruff, Ariana Diaz, Rev Eriksen,
Tim Murphy, Joe Becker, AJ Barron, Chuck Erdkamp, Paula Coffee, Jim Streuwing, Laura Ryan
Objectives: Jamie Wallis
Student Hat: Jeanette Banks, Curtis Johnson
Upper Indocs: Erik Hofstetter, Ellen Peterson
Pro Metering: Tom Manley
Scientology Drug Rundown Auditor Course: Diane Gronseth
Purif I/C Course: Jeanette Banks
Evolution of a Science: Joe Becker
Fundamentals of Thought: Jackie O&#039;Beirne, Rev Eriksen, Kent Eckhardt, Pat Post
Science of Survival: Dan Neal, Laura Nay
Self Analysis: Rachel Kras
Handbook for Preclears: Tracy Zimmer
Milestone One: John Childers
1st International Congress of Dianeticists and Scientologists: James Vogel
Remedy of Havingness: Steve Fabos
Application of Games Theory: Steve Fabos
Life Improvement Courses: Matt Huddleston (3), Bill Meadoff, Cheryle Hutto (2), Alyssa McCullough, Gail Becker, Kendall Pruitt, Justin Esquivel, Jonathan Banks
Learning How to Learn Course: Elesea Jarrell, Hailey Tarango
Basic Study Manual: Janet Thompson
Staff Status I: Janet Thompson
False Purpose Rundown: Laura Zaspel
 
UPCOMING EVENTS
ROCKIES BASEBALL
Next home games: 8/5, 6 &#038; 7 and 8/14-24. To help out in our parking lot, contact Chris or Titus at the Org.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57932">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>In Denver I see they sold 2,300 books last month in exchange for parking at the Rockies game&#8211;seems to skew the stats some.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a VERY exciting and busy time at our Denver Ideal Org&#8230;</p>
<p>● There have been 56 Purification Rundown completions since the release of GAT II<br />
● 63 students are on the Survival Rundown<br />
● Denver was #1 WUS for Purif &amp; Survival Rundown starts, week ending 3 July 14<br />
● Over 2300 new public have bought an LRH book or DVD while parking in our lot for a Rockies Game<br />
● The Drug-Free World campaign is now being implemented in Denver<br />
● We have an Introductory Free Film &amp; Lecture EVERY Friday night at 7:30pm for new public</p>
<p>Come to the Org and join in on all the fun!!</p>
<p>CONGRATS TO ALL OUR RECENT COMPLETIONS!<br />
Purification Rundown: Wayne Hoffman, Rob Campisi, Belinda Buck, Tom Woodruff, Ariana Diaz, Rev Eriksen,<br />
Tim Murphy, Joe Becker, AJ Barron, Chuck Erdkamp, Paula Coffee, Jim Streuwing, Laura Ryan<br />
Objectives: Jamie Wallis<br />
Student Hat: Jeanette Banks, Curtis Johnson<br />
Upper Indocs: Erik Hofstetter, Ellen Peterson<br />
Pro Metering: Tom Manley<br />
Scientology Drug Rundown Auditor Course: Diane Gronseth<br />
Purif I/C Course: Jeanette Banks<br />
Evolution of a Science: Joe Becker<br />
Fundamentals of Thought: Jackie O&#8217;Beirne, Rev Eriksen, Kent Eckhardt, Pat Post<br />
Science of Survival: Dan Neal, Laura Nay<br />
Self Analysis: Rachel Kras<br />
Handbook for Preclears: Tracy Zimmer<br />
Milestone One: John Childers<br />
1st International Congress of Dianeticists and Scientologists: James Vogel<br />
Remedy of Havingness: Steve Fabos<br />
Application of Games Theory: Steve Fabos<br />
Life Improvement Courses: Matt Huddleston (3), Bill Meadoff, Cheryle Hutto (2), Alyssa McCullough, Gail Becker, Kendall Pruitt, Justin Esquivel, Jonathan Banks<br />
Learning How to Learn Course: Elesea Jarrell, Hailey Tarango<br />
Basic Study Manual: Janet Thompson<br />
Staff Status I: Janet Thompson<br />
False Purpose Rundown: Laura Zaspel</p>
<p>UPCOMING EVENTS<br />
ROCKIES BASEBALL<br />
Next home games: 8/5, 6 &amp; 7 and 8/14-24. To help out in our parking lot, contact Chris or Titus at the Org.</p>
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		By: Richard Lloyd-Roberts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57661&quot;&gt;Heidi&lt;/a&gt;.

Daphna is a full time FSM for Scientology or outside sales for those persons not familiar with the term FSM. 

Its funny but I used to disseminate that way because of all the bad PR and used the same techniques years ago. Now when I talk about Scientology I just say that the Church is utterly corrupt and the organization is to be avoided but in case you are interested the actual therapeutic side is pretty useful and I get more reaches now than I ever did. I guess that&#039;s the reality level of society about the subject.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57661">Heidi</a>.</p>
<p>Daphna is a full time FSM for Scientology or outside sales for those persons not familiar with the term FSM. </p>
<p>Its funny but I used to disseminate that way because of all the bad PR and used the same techniques years ago. Now when I talk about Scientology I just say that the Church is utterly corrupt and the organization is to be avoided but in case you are interested the actual therapeutic side is pretty useful and I get more reaches now than I ever did. I guess that&#8217;s the reality level of society about the subject.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From an outsiders point of view, I will say that it does seem there is quite a negative perception, and no real evidence as to why. Just saw a youtube video today talking about Scientology, &quot;Oh, Im scared they may be watching, etc&quot; - and &quot;it&#039;s bad&quot;, and at the end, &quot;but we really don&#039;t know why, so you tell us.&quot;.
And then the comments &#039;conspiracy&#039; of &quot;a Scientology ad was right before this video&quot; - and then what, the content was about Scientology, doubt the algorithm knows if its bad or good. :)

So, yes there is the &#039;bad&#039; Scientology... personally, I love the videos I have seen from them - again, having been deeply involved in the Protestant religion, I can understand that at the top, people are not necessarily following the beliefs that others below them believe they are.

Good and bad... but Im not sure fighting is going to help push anyone closer to an &#039;enlightened&#039; state... seems that one could focus on what works... in any given religion, and move on - kind of like human relationship, what works and move on... you&#039;re not going to convince anyone of anything anyway... they all want love and acceptance, give it, and you both can go a long way together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an outsiders point of view, I will say that it does seem there is quite a negative perception, and no real evidence as to why. Just saw a youtube video today talking about Scientology, &#8220;Oh, Im scared they may be watching, etc&#8221; &#8211; and &#8220;it&#8217;s bad&#8221;, and at the end, &#8220;but we really don&#8217;t know why, so you tell us.&#8221;.<br />
And then the comments &#8216;conspiracy&#8217; of &#8220;a Scientology ad was right before this video&#8221; &#8211; and then what, the content was about Scientology, doubt the algorithm knows if its bad or good. 🙂</p>
<p>So, yes there is the &#8216;bad&#8217; Scientology&#8230; personally, I love the videos I have seen from them &#8211; again, having been deeply involved in the Protestant religion, I can understand that at the top, people are not necessarily following the beliefs that others below them believe they are.</p>
<p>Good and bad&#8230; but Im not sure fighting is going to help push anyone closer to an &#8216;enlightened&#8217; state&#8230; seems that one could focus on what works&#8230; in any given religion, and move on &#8211; kind of like human relationship, what works and move on&#8230; you&#8217;re not going to convince anyone of anything anyway&#8230; they all want love and acceptance, give it, and you both can go a long way together.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 22:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57758&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d like to add my own experience with &quot;innoculation&quot; to what Black Panther and Pepper have shared.

Sometime in the first week in January of 2012 a terminal in my org, with no explanation,  forwarded an email to me that I didn&#039;t immediately understand.  It was extremely vague but from what I could gather it was an attempt to DA anyone who was dissing (my term) Int Mgmt or David Miscavige, his plans and programs.   It was not an on-policy DA because no details were given, so who/what this all referred to was not immediately apparent.   Conceptually,  the comm consisted of the writers remonstrations against people who complain about COB, and this writer&#039;s &quot;DA&quot;, consisted solely of long-winded affirmations of how much he TRUSTED COB.

With no details,  this VERY long, ambiguous email was puzzling to me.

Now, a short time before I HAD read Debbie Cooke&#039;s email, but not because she had sent it to me, but because it was on Marty&#039;s blog. I never personally got that email from her. And I was under the radar and reading all kinds of stuff, but mostly Marty&#039;s blog.

Anyway, I started thinking, &quot;Hmm, lets pull this thread&quot;.

So I contacted this org terminal and queried why I had been forwarded this confusing, long-winded email from someone I didn&#039;t know, warning me about I-didn&#039;t-know-what, and the response was that an email that was &quot;entheta and enemy line&quot; had gone out to many on-lines Scientologists and that this was a &quot;handling&quot; for this email.  I then thanked this terminal for clarifying this for me, adding (evilly, but with perfect truth)  that I had not received that entheta email, which was apparently enough data to satisfy this terminal as I was asked no further questions. 

Then I got off the phone and went back to the Net and read Debbie&#039;s email again, this time very carefully.   &quot;Entheta and Enemy Line&quot;...unbelievable.  Yeah, that&#039;s LRH nowadays: Entheta and Enemy Line!

That &quot;inoculation&quot; pretty much cinched my intention to leave the cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57758">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to add my own experience with &#8220;innoculation&#8221; to what Black Panther and Pepper have shared.</p>
<p>Sometime in the first week in January of 2012 a terminal in my org, with no explanation,  forwarded an email to me that I didn&#8217;t immediately understand.  It was extremely vague but from what I could gather it was an attempt to DA anyone who was dissing (my term) Int Mgmt or David Miscavige, his plans and programs.   It was not an on-policy DA because no details were given, so who/what this all referred to was not immediately apparent.   Conceptually,  the comm consisted of the writers remonstrations against people who complain about COB, and this writer&#8217;s &#8220;DA&#8221;, consisted solely of long-winded affirmations of how much he TRUSTED COB.</p>
<p>With no details,  this VERY long, ambiguous email was puzzling to me.</p>
<p>Now, a short time before I HAD read Debbie Cooke&#8217;s email, but not because she had sent it to me, but because it was on Marty&#8217;s blog. I never personally got that email from her. And I was under the radar and reading all kinds of stuff, but mostly Marty&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Anyway, I started thinking, &#8220;Hmm, lets pull this thread&#8221;.</p>
<p>So I contacted this org terminal and queried why I had been forwarded this confusing, long-winded email from someone I didn&#8217;t know, warning me about I-didn&#8217;t-know-what, and the response was that an email that was &#8220;entheta and enemy line&#8221; had gone out to many on-lines Scientologists and that this was a &#8220;handling&#8221; for this email.  I then thanked this terminal for clarifying this for me, adding (evilly, but with perfect truth)  that I had not received that entheta email, which was apparently enough data to satisfy this terminal as I was asked no further questions. </p>
<p>Then I got off the phone and went back to the Net and read Debbie&#8217;s email again, this time very carefully.   &#8220;Entheta and Enemy Line&#8221;&#8230;unbelievable.  Yeah, that&#8217;s LRH nowadays: Entheta and Enemy Line!</p>
<p>That &#8220;inoculation&#8221; pretty much cinched my intention to leave the cult.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57685&quot;&gt;KFrancis&lt;/a&gt;.

Right on the money, KFrancis.]]></description>
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<p>Right on the money, KFrancis.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57932&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Edit: &quot;From this it can also be deduced...&quot;]]></description>
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<p>Edit: &#8220;From this it can also be deduced&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57813&quot;&gt;Shannon&lt;/a&gt;.

I didn&#039;t like the tone of Daphna&#039;s comm - she has that bossy, know-it-all, make-wrong thing really down - but in fairness, she really is between a rock and a hard place with regard to promoting to raw public.
  
When I was in five years ago I would volunteer to sell books. A small, rag-tag bunch,  didn&#039;t sell too many. Lots of effort, setting up those stupid tables, lugging all those books, and we sold very few.  At the time I knew nothing of the Church&#039;s horrendous PR.   Once,  when I told her rather despondently that I had only sold one book that afternoon, the PES of my small org responded,  &quot;Selling a book is a VERY big deal!&quot;. I was sceptical, but she looked serious,  not like she was just flattering me.

Now, if it was a big deal 5 years ago to sell a Dianetics book, I&#039;m thinking it is even harder today. In my business I work with 20-somethings, they are my public. All of them do internet searches on everything they buy, so I would imagine Daphna&#039;s attempted D/A of bad PR would be her best shot at selling a book,  and that a pro-active approach to what&#039;s out there about Dianetics and Scientology - an attempt to head-&#039;em off at the pass, so to speak -  would be pretty much a no-brainer for anyone trying to get new public on board. 

From this it can also deduces that Daphna KNOWS about the bad PR...how, I wonder?  She couldn&#039;t possibly be permitted by the cult to read anything for herself. Maybe OSA fed her just enough data per their &quot;need to know&quot; policy.  Must suck to have her job nowadays.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57813">Shannon</a>.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t like the tone of Daphna&#8217;s comm &#8211; she has that bossy, know-it-all, make-wrong thing really down &#8211; but in fairness, she really is between a rock and a hard place with regard to promoting to raw public.</p>
<p>When I was in five years ago I would volunteer to sell books. A small, rag-tag bunch,  didn&#8217;t sell too many. Lots of effort, setting up those stupid tables, lugging all those books, and we sold very few.  At the time I knew nothing of the Church&#8217;s horrendous PR.   Once,  when I told her rather despondently that I had only sold one book that afternoon, the PES of my small org responded,  &#8220;Selling a book is a VERY big deal!&#8221;. I was sceptical, but she looked serious,  not like she was just flattering me.</p>
<p>Now, if it was a big deal 5 years ago to sell a Dianetics book, I&#8217;m thinking it is even harder today. In my business I work with 20-somethings, they are my public. All of them do internet searches on everything they buy, so I would imagine Daphna&#8217;s attempted D/A of bad PR would be her best shot at selling a book,  and that a pro-active approach to what&#8217;s out there about Dianetics and Scientology &#8211; an attempt to head-&#8217;em off at the pass, so to speak &#8211;  would be pretty much a no-brainer for anyone trying to get new public on board. </p>
<p>From this it can also deduces that Daphna KNOWS about the bad PR&#8230;how, I wonder?  She couldn&#8217;t possibly be permitted by the cult to read anything for herself. Maybe OSA fed her just enough data per their &#8220;need to know&#8221; policy.  Must suck to have her job nowadays.</p>
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		By: Cat Daddy		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pervasive-black-pr-on-scientology/#comment-57750&quot;&gt;Cat Daddy&lt;/a&gt;.

Carcha, hate would mean I would want to poke your eyes out. I do not.

I disagree with the intentionaly placing these little soundbites into text to discard basic things that ARE important.

It all over his writing. Even in the Tone Scale.]]></description>
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<p>Carcha, hate would mean I would want to poke your eyes out. I do not.</p>
<p>I disagree with the intentionaly placing these little soundbites into text to discard basic things that ARE important.</p>
<p>It all over his writing. Even in the Tone Scale.</p>
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