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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57415&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Dollar, &quot;Finder of Lost Tech&quot;!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57415">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Dollar, &#8220;Finder of Lost Tech&#8221;!</p>
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		By: Annette Chaffee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annette Chaffee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 16:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57360&quot;&gt;chrismann&lt;/a&gt;.

You couldn&#039;t be more wrong.  I&#039;m a never in and I come here every day to read Mikes blog for the TRUTH about this cult.  This is a True Crime going on that involves the destruction of human lives.  I have a feeling that the number of t those who follow this information is huge.  And Mike is doing a great service to those who have suffered or are suffering.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57360">chrismann</a>.</p>
<p>You couldn&#8217;t be more wrong.  I&#8217;m a never in and I come here every day to read Mikes blog for the TRUTH about this cult.  This is a True Crime going on that involves the destruction of human lives.  I have a feeling that the number of t those who follow this information is huge.  And Mike is doing a great service to those who have suffered or are suffering.</p>
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		By: Rick Mycroft		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57426&quot;&gt;Valerie&lt;/a&gt;.

For a few years running, COS used to announce that the building was opening in the next year. After a while, either they stopped, or the papers just stopped printing it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57426">Valerie</a>.</p>
<p>For a few years running, COS used to announce that the building was opening in the next year. After a while, either they stopped, or the papers just stopped printing it.</p>
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		By: Rick Mycroft		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Currently reading Wicked.

Too bad all those potted shrubs and Photoshopped people who were there for the Portland opening are gone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently reading Wicked.</p>
<p>Too bad all those potted shrubs and Photoshopped people who were there for the Portland opening are gone.</p>
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		By: DollarMorgue		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 09:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57415&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Pepper, if it isn&#039;t written, it isn&#039;t true. I have not seen a rent contract yet, so I assume the org will merely pay utilities and such.

As to why the building is transferred, it is to ensure the building is safe from the local government. Also, the transferral is based on a secret reference which LRH left in the PDCs because he didn&#039;t have the time to edit it out. That is the one about &quot;When buildings become important to us, will someone blow up headquarters.&quot; (Or something along those lines). Indeed, it required the unique insight of our one and only COB to fully understand this reference. It is necessary to define the word &quot;important&quot; correctly. What LRH meant was that we are to buy buildings and that is absolutely fine. It has nothing to do with being MEST oriented, which fact is already demonstrated by the public so willingly giving away the building the moment they have it. As &quot;we&quot; the public are the church, it stands to reason that by transferring the building &quot;we&quot; are demonstrating that buildings are &lt;b&gt;not important&lt;/b&gt; to &quot;us&quot;. I hope I have been able to clear up this slight misunderstanding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57415">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Pepper, if it isn&#8217;t written, it isn&#8217;t true. I have not seen a rent contract yet, so I assume the org will merely pay utilities and such.</p>
<p>As to why the building is transferred, it is to ensure the building is safe from the local government. Also, the transferral is based on a secret reference which LRH left in the PDCs because he didn&#8217;t have the time to edit it out. That is the one about &#8220;When buildings become important to us, will someone blow up headquarters.&#8221; (Or something along those lines). Indeed, it required the unique insight of our one and only COB to fully understand this reference. It is necessary to define the word &#8220;important&#8221; correctly. What LRH meant was that we are to buy buildings and that is absolutely fine. It has nothing to do with being MEST oriented, which fact is already demonstrated by the public so willingly giving away the building the moment they have it. As &#8220;we&#8221; the public are the church, it stands to reason that by transferring the building &#8220;we&#8221; are demonstrating that buildings are <b>not important</b> to &#8220;us&#8221;. I hope I have been able to clear up this slight misunderstanding.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 23:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57492&quot;&gt;zana&lt;/a&gt;.

Zana that&#039;s great on getting your money back!  I wish I could, there&#039;s a nice bucket load sitting in my name that can&#039;t be used by any of my family members.  Flag has it rigged, you know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57492">zana</a>.</p>
<p>Zana that&#8217;s great on getting your money back!  I wish I could, there&#8217;s a nice bucket load sitting in my name that can&#8217;t be used by any of my family members.  Flag has it rigged, you know.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 23:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57526&quot;&gt;gato rojo&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you gato rojo for explaining it to me.  I can&#039;t imagine what it would be like to have to live like that out of necessity but can see how it could happen, for sure.  I&#039;m really happy for you that you&#039;re out and can live your own life and be your own person.

I think Scn puts a lot of stress of people.  Financially, emotionally, physically.  It&#039;s a high demand cult, that drains your joy, energy and peace of mind.  It did for me anyway and I stayed in for over 20 years. It takes time to reorient one&#039;s thinking, speech and behavior patterns. Telling experiences helps because you can look at it again objectively and others can also benefit, so carry on!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57526">gato rojo</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you gato rojo for explaining it to me.  I can&#8217;t imagine what it would be like to have to live like that out of necessity but can see how it could happen, for sure.  I&#8217;m really happy for you that you&#8217;re out and can live your own life and be your own person.</p>
<p>I think Scn puts a lot of stress of people.  Financially, emotionally, physically.  It&#8217;s a high demand cult, that drains your joy, energy and peace of mind.  It did for me anyway and I stayed in for over 20 years. It takes time to reorient one&#8217;s thinking, speech and behavior patterns. Telling experiences helps because you can look at it again objectively and others can also benefit, so carry on!</p>
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		By: gato rojo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 20:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Back @ Pepper (there was no reply button I could use)...

Yes, we were all being trained to be antisocial towards each other, all mini sociopaths in training. I saw it for years, and was pretty able to not take on those qualities as fast as many others but I did start to do it too out of a need to appear &quot;on board&quot; and survival. 

It was turning into the norm to yell, invalidate, sling nasty comments towards someone.  I saw nice, well-intentioned people take more and more steps towards being complete assholes towards their friends, all in the name of protecting the cause, or the production, or the leaders if the new mini-DMs suspected others of going too slow, not appearing determined, not doing it right, caught smoking a cigarette outside, etc.

At one point I really really really wanted to be a department head of a department I knew a lot about already (goodness knows there was never any time to learn something new). But I also knew that once I was posted there I would not ever get anyone else posted in the department, even thought the already badly backlogged load was too much for just one person to do even on a 4-hour sleep schedule. 

Then I knew that once I started failing to get things done in time (targets set by executives who had no knowledge of how to do it themselves and any logical time requirements) I&#039;d get in more and more trouble and would eventually disappear, like so many others I noticed were missing. Including my best friend of that time. Just gone, no messages, no nothing.

Not wanting to find out where they all went, I soon successfully planned and executed my escape. When I went out among &quot;real people&quot; and started to develop new friends I saw how much more of that personality I had taken on--much more than I thought I did. I&#039;m still catching myself doing it, but I&#039;m learning the general social behaviors and consciously using that to shake loose the last remnants of the asshole personality that was so important to display.

Sorry for being so wordy but when I can offer a story or some info that helps expose this group of what has become very dishonest robot morons who deserve to live at the bottom of the kitty box, I grab it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back @ Pepper (there was no reply button I could use)&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, we were all being trained to be antisocial towards each other, all mini sociopaths in training. I saw it for years, and was pretty able to not take on those qualities as fast as many others but I did start to do it too out of a need to appear &#8220;on board&#8221; and survival. </p>
<p>It was turning into the norm to yell, invalidate, sling nasty comments towards someone.  I saw nice, well-intentioned people take more and more steps towards being complete assholes towards their friends, all in the name of protecting the cause, or the production, or the leaders if the new mini-DMs suspected others of going too slow, not appearing determined, not doing it right, caught smoking a cigarette outside, etc.</p>
<p>At one point I really really really wanted to be a department head of a department I knew a lot about already (goodness knows there was never any time to learn something new). But I also knew that once I was posted there I would not ever get anyone else posted in the department, even thought the already badly backlogged load was too much for just one person to do even on a 4-hour sleep schedule. </p>
<p>Then I knew that once I started failing to get things done in time (targets set by executives who had no knowledge of how to do it themselves and any logical time requirements) I&#8217;d get in more and more trouble and would eventually disappear, like so many others I noticed were missing. Including my best friend of that time. Just gone, no messages, no nothing.</p>
<p>Not wanting to find out where they all went, I soon successfully planned and executed my escape. When I went out among &#8220;real people&#8221; and started to develop new friends I saw how much more of that personality I had taken on&#8211;much more than I thought I did. I&#8217;m still catching myself doing it, but I&#8217;m learning the general social behaviors and consciously using that to shake loose the last remnants of the asshole personality that was so important to display.</p>
<p>Sorry for being so wordy but when I can offer a story or some info that helps expose this group of what has become very dishonest robot morons who deserve to live at the bottom of the kitty box, I grab it!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 19:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57492&quot;&gt;zana&lt;/a&gt;.

I hear you, Zana.  Very well done!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57492">zana</a>.</p>
<p>I hear you, Zana.  Very well done!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 19:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57460&quot;&gt;Markthehungarian&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, Mike, keep posting these minutes, please, because each such post is a win for our side by virtue of the fact that that it is being leaked in the first place. 

And I&#039;m saying this right now from a pragmatic standpoint because as regards leaked OTC minutes, I&#039;m looking from OSA&#039;s viewpoint: &quot;There are VIPERS in our midst!&quot;

I&#039;m thinking that OSA is under intense pressure to find the mole(s), and that with each new leak the pressure on them intensifies. 

To that end, I would think that each Flag OTC member,  each attendee of these meetings, each up-lines SO recipient of these minutes,  their family members, friends, and business associates  - these terminals are all on OSA&#039;s radar as possible moles!  

&quot;Rollbacks and Sec Checks and Ethics - Oh My!&quot;

&quot;Face-Rippings, Rice &#038; Beans, Lowers - Oh My!&quot;

Nice ripple effect, I would think. That&#039;s my take on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/portland-ideal-org-is-pathetic/#comment-57460">Markthehungarian</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, Mike, keep posting these minutes, please, because each such post is a win for our side by virtue of the fact that that it is being leaked in the first place. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m saying this right now from a pragmatic standpoint because as regards leaked OTC minutes, I&#8217;m looking from OSA&#8217;s viewpoint: &#8220;There are VIPERS in our midst!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that OSA is under intense pressure to find the mole(s), and that with each new leak the pressure on them intensifies. </p>
<p>To that end, I would think that each Flag OTC member,  each attendee of these meetings, each up-lines SO recipient of these minutes,  their family members, friends, and business associates  &#8211; these terminals are all on OSA&#8217;s radar as possible moles!  </p>
<p>&#8220;Rollbacks and Sec Checks and Ethics &#8211; Oh My!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Face-Rippings, Rice &amp; Beans, Lowers &#8211; Oh My!&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice ripple effect, I would think. That&#8217;s my take on it.</p>
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