MS Behavin, I probably came in in 80 and just missed you. You’re right that Peggy’s money and big donations are what kept the church from labelling her PTS due to Kim’s blow from the SO etc. It worked well for Kim to leave as she is living her best life now. I wish Peggy would wise up and leave, but that will never happen. She won’t leave cuz she has friends and terminals in the church, and it is her game and she would have no game (in her opinion) if she left.

Hey Ms Behavin, get my private email from Mike or give me yours as I have something I want to follow up on with you in private.

Yes Peggy was embarrassed that her daughter went so far away from the church. But it worked for Kim and she is living her best life now. Peggy must just compartment everything so that she can somehow still think the Kool Aid is tastey when she is a smart woman, is trained, and surely can see that there has been squirrelling? She must continue to stay for both the friends and terminals and because there would be no game for her if she left. That’s my conjecture.

And you are absolutely right that the church overlooks Peggy’s PTSness to be connected to someone who blew the SO because of her money and big donations. She and that Marion guy were the whales that made it all happen for SLC.

Hi Cindy,
We probably crossed paths back in the late ’70s but I don’t recall that. I was doing services off and on at the SLC mission but I wasn’t living in the area. I traveled a lot for work.
I’m surprised Peggy Pearson is still in and presumably in good standing. I didn’t know her well but her daughter Kim was a good friend. Last I heard, Kim blew the sea org, went back to school and got a PhD, converted to Judaism, and is a respected math professor at a prestigious university. This would put Peggy in a position of being connected to an ‘SP’ and make her ‘PTS’. No doubt this has been overlooked in favor of Peggy’s bank accounts. Maybe another SLC mission alumni, Russ Andrews (of OSA infamy) could check into this situation personally and make sure that ‘ethics’ are slammed in.

Hi Miss Be Haven, I wonder if you and I knew each other then? I was only there from about ’79 or ’80 to late in 82. I moved to CA to become an auditor in Oct 82. The story I got was Ross was ousted and declared an SP. Not sure who took his place, maybe Phil Parks.

John Balkin ,who was mission holder after Steve Surrey , married Hazel, one of the auditors.

I’m still in touch with a person in SLC from that era and she says the org is dead and not much going on even though it made Ideal Org.

Kenny and wife moved to Moorpark or thereabouts in the Valley. But he never did Scn after that. He said his dad did his taxes and his dad didn’t like Scn and so he didn’t want to show any donations to the church cuz his dad would see it. So I’d say Kenny is UTR.

Course Sup Jay Clitheroe and CS wife Nancy Clitheroe moved to LA to do Bridge in LA. Sadly, Nancy died of cancer and Jay remarried.

What surprises me is that there is an OT VIII there, Peggy, who I used to be friends with, and she is still drinking the Kool Aid and active in Scn there. I’m surprised that she, as trained as she is, doesn’t see the squirreling in the church.

One person I’m still in touch with from those days says the SLC org is dead even though it did make it to Ideal Org status.

Safely on the outside, one can hope that Covid and its bad effects on the economy caused staff enough very real hardship so as to give them legitimate reasons for routing off staff. Not that I’m wishing hardship per se on them – no! But Covid and its travails could well provide at least an opening to what will hopefully be their permanent escape from staff!

Typo alert: “…the REAL WHY for NO (not ‘now’) expansion…”
Always these dumb typos when I get emotional.

Yes, I recall when I first got into Scientology there was there was this generalized anxiety about making it into the Academy early enough to ensure that one would get a SEAT and not have to get set up in the HALLWAY. And our org was considered small!

Yet the HGC was nearly always full; Qual was packed, the Basic Course Room was full and the Academy packed and a separate KTL/LOC classroom was under construction.

When I left ( after 27 years in) our org’s rooms and hallways were largely silent.

The Basic Course Room had been collapsed into the Academy and there were at the most 5-8 people on course on the weekends, no one during the weekday morning and afternoons, and maybe 1 or 2 students at night. There was one auditor for both staff and public and there was no Ethics Officer on post at all – this post was being held by a volunteer ex-SO member.

The org was so empty our voices echoed in the rooms and halls, and the only events held were fundraisers because we apparently needed a much larger building 🙂

At these events there would be AT BEST 25 people INCLUSIVE OF about 10 STAFF who HAD to attend. And 25 people was considered a GOOD turnout. Frequently there weren’t more than 10 including some staff.

And we were all being reg’ged intensely because, you know, the REAL WHY for now expansion was because the BUILDING wasn’t big enough, or “standard” enough – THAT was what was keeping people away!

I ask you now – can you make this up? Answer: NO. NO, nono, nono, nono! Seriously, you cannot make this sh*t UP!!!! And yet it is true, every word I’ve said.

Insofar as I know, they’re still on the Ideal M’Orgue bandwagon. Sad. Very sad how they are wasting their lives, their time, efforts, emotions, thoughts – really sad. These were – are – good people. Very good people. Its just sad.

End of spontaneous off topic rant.

Hi Cindy,

Here’s my recollection of that time, and it could certainly be flawed. I arrived at the SLC mission around ’77. At that time Steve Surry was the mission holder but I don’t think he was acting as ED (Executive Director). I believe Phil Parke might have been doing that at the time. Anyway, right before the mission holders massacre, John Balken was the ED. This was the Kingsley Wimbush de-dinging period when everyone was “flowing power to power”, aka kissing ass by compensating those in senior positions (real or imagined). I was doing this by working at Balken’s house for free. Right after the little RTC get together in San Francisco, Balken came back and towed the line for a while. Ross Nakamura probably stepped in about that time. Ross could be a real asshole, he definitely had some chronic anger issues, but I don’t believe he would have been embezzling anything. There was nothing to embezzle. I had blown the joint by this time and later found out Ross was gone. I don’t know what became of him but while he was in he was a KSW flavored Kool-Aid swilling cultie. Few people dared cross him. As far as I know, Surry lost the mission during that time period along with his Denver and Bellevue missions. I don’t know what became of him, he just sort of disappeared. Fun fact: he was married to Kallie (sp?) Gross, Kenny’s sister. She was drop dead gorgeous. I think they got divorced around that time and she moved to Hollywood. She and Kirsti Alley were roommates for awhile. I don’t know what became of her either. Kenny and his wife Kathy moved to the San Fernando Valley around then too. Not sure what became of them either, but I hope all these folks got out.

Perhaps they’re ‘selling” WTH booklets to be donated to the Ukraine, allowing them to pump up several stats at once and claim some PR.