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		By: T.J.		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-149128</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148767&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

T.J. for President! :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148767">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>T.J. for President! 🙂</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-149104</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2016 03:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148974&quot;&gt;Lordburg&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike Wynski,  Cindy has already clarified twice that whosoever was the actual source of the &quot;feed them and put them to bed&quot; datum or concept, whether it was LRH or someone else,  is not important to her, is no issue for her, and that the issue for her was that it worked when applied in her own child raising.   I think you should re-read what she wrote and then apologize to her for being nasty.  You were quite unecessarily nasty, you know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148974">Lordburg</a>.</p>
<p>Mike Wynski,  Cindy has already clarified twice that whosoever was the actual source of the &#8220;feed them and put them to bed&#8221; datum or concept, whether it was LRH or someone else,  is not important to her, is no issue for her, and that the issue for her was that it worked when applied in her own child raising.   I think you should re-read what she wrote and then apologize to her for being nasty.  You were quite unecessarily nasty, you know.</p>
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		By: Foremost		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2016 05:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148747&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;He wrote that if you tried to solve it, that’s what will happen. Big difference between reading about something and solving it. ISIS is a problem but reading about it won’t get you shot by a jihad enthusiast but going over to Syria and trying to solve it there more than likely will. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Excellent observation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148747">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>He wrote that if you tried to solve it, that’s what will happen. Big difference between reading about something and solving it. ISIS is a problem but reading about it won’t get you shot by a jihad enthusiast but going over to Syria and trying to solve it there more than likely will. </p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent observation.</p>
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		By: Foremost		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-149023</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2016 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148909&quot;&gt;My 2 Cents&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;he purpose of the electric-shock e-meter was not for him to escape living, which was going to happen soon anyway. Nor was it to magnanimously liberate some stubborn BTs. It was to blow off those BTs regardless of what that did to his body, which was used up anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Excellent observation.

New OT VIII had already been released when LRH was still playing around with some BTs. Not all done with NOTs after 8. No wonder the COBster is currently sending OT VIII comps back on the Solo NOTs auditor course for refreshers for the release of OT IX.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148909">My 2 Cents</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>he purpose of the electric-shock e-meter was not for him to escape living, which was going to happen soon anyway. Nor was it to magnanimously liberate some stubborn BTs. It was to blow off those BTs regardless of what that did to his body, which was used up anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent observation.</p>
<p>New OT VIII had already been released when LRH was still playing around with some BTs. Not all done with NOTs after 8. No wonder the COBster is currently sending OT VIII comps back on the Solo NOTs auditor course for refreshers for the release of OT IX.</p>
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		By: T.J.		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-149022</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2016 05:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148963&quot;&gt;My 2 Cents&lt;/a&gt;.

Two Cents: Terra Cognita does not whine. Also Terra Cognita&#039;s articles have brought a lot more understanding to many of us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148963">My 2 Cents</a>.</p>
<p>Two Cents: Terra Cognita does not whine. Also Terra Cognita&#8217;s articles have brought a lot more understanding to many of us.</p>
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		By: My 2 Cents		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2016 02:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148968&quot;&gt;My 2 Cents&lt;/a&gt;.

Most of what you&#039;ve just accused me of, you&#039;re guilty of yourself.  You&#039;re just promoting Yogananda rather than Scientology.

And you just have to be right, which is not surprising given that you never got through Grade 4 in your auditing.

I&#039;m not upset with you, and I wish you well.  But we&#039;re not getting anywhere, so I&#039;m done with our conversation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148968">My 2 Cents</a>.</p>
<p>Most of what you&#8217;ve just accused me of, you&#8217;re guilty of yourself.  You&#8217;re just promoting Yogananda rather than Scientology.</p>
<p>And you just have to be right, which is not surprising given that you never got through Grade 4 in your auditing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not upset with you, and I wish you well.  But we&#8217;re not getting anywhere, so I&#8217;m done with our conversation.</p>
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		By: My 2 Cents		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-149019</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2016 01:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148963&quot;&gt;My 2 Cents&lt;/a&gt;.

Terra, thanks for the positive tone of your response.  I&#039;m glad to learn that you see both good and bad in Scientology.  However, I think you&#039;ve made a mistake in giving up trying to understand certain things.  Almost every one of your articles has contained some misunderstanding or non-understanding of Scientology.  I think you&#039;d benefit from clearing them up.  And so would your readers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148963">My 2 Cents</a>.</p>
<p>Terra, thanks for the positive tone of your response.  I&#8217;m glad to learn that you see both good and bad in Scientology.  However, I think you&#8217;ve made a mistake in giving up trying to understand certain things.  Almost every one of your articles has contained some misunderstanding or non-understanding of Scientology.  I think you&#8217;d benefit from clearing them up.  And so would your readers.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2016 01:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148974&quot;&gt;Lordburg&lt;/a&gt;.

Lordburg, Well said!  You don&#039;t sound like you&#039;re under anyone&#039;s power but your own and you wield it well.  Live long and prosper!  Nanoo nanoo! And all that other good stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148974">Lordburg</a>.</p>
<p>Lordburg, Well said!  You don&#8217;t sound like you&#8217;re under anyone&#8217;s power but your own and you wield it well.  Live long and prosper!  Nanoo nanoo! And all that other good stuff.</p>
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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-149006</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2016 23:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148747&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

Yawn said, &quot;No, he didn’t say that at all. He wrote that if you tried to solve it, that’s what will happen. Big difference between reading about something and solving it. &quot;

Incorrect.  Ron said that if the incident (OT 3) was even verbally described to a person (nothing about solving anything) they could get very sick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148747">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>Yawn said, &#8220;No, he didn’t say that at all. He wrote that if you tried to solve it, that’s what will happen. Big difference between reading about something and solving it. &#8221;</p>
<p>Incorrect.  Ron said that if the incident (OT 3) was even verbally described to a person (nothing about solving anything) they could get very sick.</p>
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		By: Terra Cognita		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terra Cognita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148963&quot;&gt;My 2 Cents&lt;/a&gt;.

M2C: Interestingly, I understand Scientology more now than I ever did when i was in. Now, I don&#039;t feel the need to beat myself over the head in trying to make sense of things that never did. And I don&#039;t need others to &quot;adequately&quot; explain what Ron really meant, either. EPs shouldn&#039;t need to be explained. They should be evidently clear.
I never believed he had a magic wand. In fact, I too believe he wrote lots of good and useful stuff--especially, on the lower half of the Bridge, below the OT levels. Much of the good he wrote, has been perverted and subjugated by a suppressive regime.
I still have a Tone Scale hanging on my wall. I still use lots of his nomenclature in everyday life. And despite him not always following his own advice, I still follow and use many of his policies. Just because DM and his minions have used them for purposes other than good doesn&#039;t mean I have to. I still own the Basics and many of my course packs.
I think it&#039;s great you&#039;ve pulled and apply tech that you like and find useful. Those within the Church should be so free. Maybe someday, you&#039;ll climb those &quot;higher slopes&quot; and work out what LRH couldn&#039;t.
You talk about &quot;misusing&quot; Scientology. Has it ever been used correctly, though? And if not, why? What is in the tech and policy that&#039;s prevented its expansion? I would think if the tech was in fact perfect, someone by now would have applied it and reached those lofty goals laid out by LRH. Don&#039;t you think someone would have achieved the &quot;ability gained for Original OT&quot; if such tech actually existed and worked?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ron-says/#comment-148963">My 2 Cents</a>.</p>
<p>M2C: Interestingly, I understand Scientology more now than I ever did when i was in. Now, I don&#8217;t feel the need to beat myself over the head in trying to make sense of things that never did. And I don&#8217;t need others to &#8220;adequately&#8221; explain what Ron really meant, either. EPs shouldn&#8217;t need to be explained. They should be evidently clear.<br />
I never believed he had a magic wand. In fact, I too believe he wrote lots of good and useful stuff&#8211;especially, on the lower half of the Bridge, below the OT levels. Much of the good he wrote, has been perverted and subjugated by a suppressive regime.<br />
I still have a Tone Scale hanging on my wall. I still use lots of his nomenclature in everyday life. And despite him not always following his own advice, I still follow and use many of his policies. Just because DM and his minions have used them for purposes other than good doesn&#8217;t mean I have to. I still own the Basics and many of my course packs.<br />
I think it&#8217;s great you&#8217;ve pulled and apply tech that you like and find useful. Those within the Church should be so free. Maybe someday, you&#8217;ll climb those &#8220;higher slopes&#8221; and work out what LRH couldn&#8217;t.<br />
You talk about &#8220;misusing&#8221; Scientology. Has it ever been used correctly, though? And if not, why? What is in the tech and policy that&#8217;s prevented its expansion? I would think if the tech was in fact perfect, someone by now would have applied it and reached those lofty goals laid out by LRH. Don&#8217;t you think someone would have achieved the &#8220;ability gained for Original OT&#8221; if such tech actually existed and worked?</p>
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