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		By: hiatus57		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41930</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[do these idiots think for one minute the SP&#039;s in Washington do not realise what&#039;s going on?

Of course they do that&#039;s why QE is going on forever, Banks get cheap money to speculate with and the ruling 1% make a fortune.  ITs never been any different and it never will. Scientology is totally innefective as a force or a philosophy.  Why? Becuas ethey do not spend money like Warren Buffet and Golman Sachs and the FR that&#039;s why.

Clear the planet. HAW HAW they can&#039;t clear their throats!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do these idiots think for one minute the SP&#8217;s in Washington do not realise what&#8217;s going on?</p>
<p>Of course they do that&#8217;s why QE is going on forever, Banks get cheap money to speculate with and the ruling 1% make a fortune.  ITs never been any different and it never will. Scientology is totally innefective as a force or a philosophy.  Why? Becuas ethey do not spend money like Warren Buffet and Golman Sachs and the FR that&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>Clear the planet. HAW HAW they can&#8217;t clear their throats!</p>
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		By: B. Partz		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41901</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The teachings of Hubbard say one thing on the outside and another thing on the inside.

Scientology was and is rotten at the core, but not necessarily always rotten on the fringes.

Both the bad and the good combine to make Scientology.

Being a Scientologist is problematic because Scientology is a dishonest subject. What you see is not what you get.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The teachings of Hubbard say one thing on the outside and another thing on the inside.</p>
<p>Scientology was and is rotten at the core, but not necessarily always rotten on the fringes.</p>
<p>Both the bad and the good combine to make Scientology.</p>
<p>Being a Scientologist is problematic because Scientology is a dishonest subject. What you see is not what you get.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41880</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41878&quot;&gt;Meg R&lt;/a&gt;.

OK, well, I agree with you about these things. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41878">Meg R</a>.</p>
<p>OK, well, I agree with you about these things. 🙂</p>
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		By: Meg R		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My answer wasn&#039;t my &quot;A game.&quot;  I apologize for that.

TWTH irritates me because many people pay a good deal of money to have books distributed to places where there is poverty and conflict.  I would rather see that money go to organizations that lift people out of poverty, protect the innocent in conflicts, and try to end the conflict.

TWTH irritates me because I disagree with Hallie Jane.  Most parents do raise their children with morals and ethics.  The conditions they live with, war and / or poverty may make one make difficult choices. 

TWTH irritates me because Ron did not follow those precepts.  

TWTH irritates me because Corporate Scientology does not follow those precepts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My answer wasn&#8217;t my &#8220;A game.&#8221;  I apologize for that.</p>
<p>TWTH irritates me because many people pay a good deal of money to have books distributed to places where there is poverty and conflict.  I would rather see that money go to organizations that lift people out of poverty, protect the innocent in conflicts, and try to end the conflict.</p>
<p>TWTH irritates me because I disagree with Hallie Jane.  Most parents do raise their children with morals and ethics.  The conditions they live with, war and / or poverty may make one make difficult choices. </p>
<p>TWTH irritates me because Ron did not follow those precepts.  </p>
<p>TWTH irritates me because Corporate Scientology does not follow those precepts.</p>
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		By: EnthralledObserver		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41867</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For lack of a way to reply to Mike:

And yet.. TWTH &#039;IS&quot; copyrighted... how strange considering I&#039;m meant to believe this guide was written with the express intent to &#039;help&#039; through its dissemination.

Yeah... I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;m seeing through something... something rotten.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For lack of a way to reply to Mike:</p>
<p>And yet.. TWTH &#8216;IS&#8221; copyrighted&#8230; how strange considering I&#8217;m meant to believe this guide was written with the express intent to &#8216;help&#8217; through its dissemination.</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230; I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;m seeing through something&#8230; something rotten.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 05:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a lot of people who were not raised with empathy and compassion and I think this compilation could be very useful to them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of people who were not raised with empathy and compassion and I think this compilation could be very useful to them.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 05:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41859&quot;&gt;EnthralledObserver&lt;/a&gt;.

Funny you mention this about slapping his name on it. Have you ever seen a copy of WTH? It doesn&#039;t have an author identified, the only place you see L. Ron Hubbard is in the copyright notice. He specifically directed his name NOT be prominently displayed anywhere on it. You may have the impression that this is the case by what the church does in promoting WTH. 

If the purpose of WTH was as you say for him &quot;to gain credibility&quot; why WOULDNT his name be on it?

I don&#039;t think you are &quot;seeing through&quot; anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41859">EnthralledObserver</a>.</p>
<p>Funny you mention this about slapping his name on it. Have you ever seen a copy of WTH? It doesn&#8217;t have an author identified, the only place you see L. Ron Hubbard is in the copyright notice. He specifically directed his name NOT be prominently displayed anywhere on it. You may have the impression that this is the case by what the church does in promoting WTH. </p>
<p>If the purpose of WTH was as you say for him &#8220;to gain credibility&#8221; why WOULDNT his name be on it?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you are &#8220;seeing through&#8221; anything.</p>
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		By: Ms.P		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41863</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 04:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41625&quot;&gt;NOLAGirl&lt;/a&gt;.

A lot of great comments to St. James. I&#039;m not an eloquent writer as others on this blog but just want to say, I&#039;ve been a &quot;Scientologist&quot; since circa 1972. I&#039;m a trained auditor and OT. Worked hard to get there paying my own way (without marrying a rich whale)  and putting in long hours. I&#039;ve never been on staff or Sea org because I saw the conditions they were living in and refused to do so myself. I&#039;ve been chastised and invalidated for not joining for many years. Nevertheless, I&#039;ve always held my own view point and refused to succumb to 3rd dynamic bullying.  No need to go into specific details. 

I&#039;ve lived in the &quot;wog&quot; world all these years and have applied the training and abilities that I&#039;ve gained in Scientology. Which by the way have helped me a great deal (this I&#039;m stating for the never ins that are reading this blog daily) whether you agree with LRH tech or not is unimportant to me or others here that have also had great gains from this technology. This includes the SciFi, Xenu, etc. etc. that some make fun of or invalidate. Here we need not defend our wins or lack of.

I haven&#039;t been on lines since completing my Level IV, getting ready to do my internship and being told to start all over again with this &quot;new Golden Age of Tech&quot; which I guess is GATI (I had finished one week before the new release). I refused to start from zero and pay for the &quot;new levels&quot;. Nevertheless, I continued to say to friends and people that I was a Scientologist UNTIL I started reading what was really going on in the church, that was this past July 2013. From that month forward I said to my sibling, &quot;please stop telling people we are &quot;Scientologist&quot; because what you and I think is Scientology is no more and I don&#039;t want to be equated with that Church. Although we believe in the technology, auditing and wins - it is no longer what we believed in or trained in.&quot; 

And so my journey began (much to my chagrin) to Mike&#039;s, Marty&#039;s blog and the Underground Bunker. I say this because the truth sometimes is a hard pill to swallow. And although I no longer call myself a &#039;Scientologist&#039;, it doesn&#039;t mean that I no longer believe in some of the great technology I&#039;ve learned and I will NEVER invalidate the wins that I&#039;ve had in auditing and will NEVER invalidate the wins that my PC&#039;s have had in auditing. 

So having said all that - Mike I understand you or anybody else NOT answering that question.

St. James - it&#039;s very unexplainable and deep within us. Especially those that have been in for soooooo long!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41625">NOLAGirl</a>.</p>
<p>A lot of great comments to St. James. I&#8217;m not an eloquent writer as others on this blog but just want to say, I&#8217;ve been a &#8220;Scientologist&#8221; since circa 1972. I&#8217;m a trained auditor and OT. Worked hard to get there paying my own way (without marrying a rich whale)  and putting in long hours. I&#8217;ve never been on staff or Sea org because I saw the conditions they were living in and refused to do so myself. I&#8217;ve been chastised and invalidated for not joining for many years. Nevertheless, I&#8217;ve always held my own view point and refused to succumb to 3rd dynamic bullying.  No need to go into specific details. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived in the &#8220;wog&#8221; world all these years and have applied the training and abilities that I&#8217;ve gained in Scientology. Which by the way have helped me a great deal (this I&#8217;m stating for the never ins that are reading this blog daily) whether you agree with LRH tech or not is unimportant to me or others here that have also had great gains from this technology. This includes the SciFi, Xenu, etc. etc. that some make fun of or invalidate. Here we need not defend our wins or lack of.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been on lines since completing my Level IV, getting ready to do my internship and being told to start all over again with this &#8220;new Golden Age of Tech&#8221; which I guess is GATI (I had finished one week before the new release). I refused to start from zero and pay for the &#8220;new levels&#8221;. Nevertheless, I continued to say to friends and people that I was a Scientologist UNTIL I started reading what was really going on in the church, that was this past July 2013. From that month forward I said to my sibling, &#8220;please stop telling people we are &#8220;Scientologist&#8221; because what you and I think is Scientology is no more and I don&#8217;t want to be equated with that Church. Although we believe in the technology, auditing and wins &#8211; it is no longer what we believed in or trained in.&#8221; </p>
<p>And so my journey began (much to my chagrin) to Mike&#8217;s, Marty&#8217;s blog and the Underground Bunker. I say this because the truth sometimes is a hard pill to swallow. And although I no longer call myself a &#8216;Scientologist&#8217;, it doesn&#8217;t mean that I no longer believe in some of the great technology I&#8217;ve learned and I will NEVER invalidate the wins that I&#8217;ve had in auditing and will NEVER invalidate the wins that my PC&#8217;s have had in auditing. </p>
<p>So having said all that &#8211; Mike I understand you or anybody else NOT answering that question.</p>
<p>St. James &#8211; it&#8217;s very unexplainable and deep within us. Especially those that have been in for soooooo long!</p>
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		By: Meg R		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 03:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It irritates me because it was not original.

I grew up learning all of the the things stated in TWTH.  I think of it as the way to raise to child with empathy and compassion toward our fellow humans.  I was raised in a way where I did not not a need an outside guide to empathy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It irritates me because it was not original.</p>
<p>I grew up learning all of the the things stated in TWTH.  I think of it as the way to raise to child with empathy and compassion toward our fellow humans.  I was raised in a way where I did not not a need an outside guide to empathy.</p>
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		By: EnthralledObserver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 03:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41858&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

It irritates us that he&#039;s credited for that moral stance, and sometimes even for &#039;inventing&#039; that moral stance, when it reality, he lived his life by practically the opposite moral stance, and by virtue of his actual work, encouraged his flock to live by the opposite moral stance despite what he wished the rest of society to believe they were doing by writing such a manual which represented to society that he recommended a righteous moral stance.

Besides, the real issue here is WHY did LRH (and why do those who revere him think) find it necessary to put his name to a moral code set such as TWTH?  Why not publish it unnamed considering it was pulled from all parts of society?  What was his real motive?  He&#039;s neither a God, nor a representative of God, nor in politics or Government responsible for setting down laws or rules.  What possible reason would he have to do it in the first place, and slap his name on it for credit?

I think it&#039;s clear what I believe his real motive was.  To gain Credibility.  I see through his sham, $cientologists, of all ilk, clearly do not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/route-road-nowhere/#comment-41858">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>It irritates us that he&#8217;s credited for that moral stance, and sometimes even for &#8216;inventing&#8217; that moral stance, when it reality, he lived his life by practically the opposite moral stance, and by virtue of his actual work, encouraged his flock to live by the opposite moral stance despite what he wished the rest of society to believe they were doing by writing such a manual which represented to society that he recommended a righteous moral stance.</p>
<p>Besides, the real issue here is WHY did LRH (and why do those who revere him think) find it necessary to put his name to a moral code set such as TWTH?  Why not publish it unnamed considering it was pulled from all parts of society?  What was his real motive?  He&#8217;s neither a God, nor a representative of God, nor in politics or Government responsible for setting down laws or rules.  What possible reason would he have to do it in the first place, and slap his name on it for credit?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s clear what I believe his real motive was.  To gain Credibility.  I see through his sham, $cientologists, of all ilk, clearly do not.</p>
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