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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Pendleton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2024 12:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Keep those arms folded, boys and girls. That&#039;s the ticket ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep those arms folded, boys and girls. That&#8217;s the ticket &#8230;</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/san-francisco-poster-child-for-the-ideal-org-fail/#comment-581527</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2024 04:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/san-francisco-poster-child-for-the-ideal-org-fail/#comment-581443&quot;&gt;Denny Owen&lt;/a&gt;.

About the only living things in that empty building are cockroaches, rats and other assorted verminous critters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/san-francisco-poster-child-for-the-ideal-org-fail/#comment-581443">Denny Owen</a>.</p>
<p>About the only living things in that empty building are cockroaches, rats and other assorted verminous critters.</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/san-francisco-poster-child-for-the-ideal-org-fail/#comment-581526</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2024 04:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I counted 45 sheepbots in the 2024 photo at the top of the article. What happened to the other 55 plus mentioned in the 2006 photo? Ohh...wait...they&#039;ve been shunted of to top up other morgues or died or been declared or just plain given up (with any luck).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I counted 45 sheepbots in the 2024 photo at the top of the article. What happened to the other 55 plus mentioned in the 2006 photo? Ohh&#8230;wait&#8230;they&#8217;ve been shunted of to top up other morgues or died or been declared or just plain given up (with any luck).</p>
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		By: Futile. Losing Proposition.Left Holding the Bag. Stop beating your head against the wall. Quit fast, and don't sign any legal docs when you quit.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Futile. Losing Proposition.Left Holding the Bag. Stop beating your head against the wall. Quit fast, and don't sign any legal docs when you quit.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2024 01:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[KEY WORDS:  

futility
losing proposition
left holding the bag
beating one&#039;s head against the wall
you can&#039;t make a silk purse out of a sow&#039;s ear


All ex&#039;s need to at some point once they&#039;ve rightfully quit official Scientology, look up the above KEY WORDS for their future better life ahead.

Scientology is futile.
Scientology is a losing proposition
Scientologists are left holding the bag.
It is literally impossible to make a silk purse out of Hubbard&#039;s quackery sow&#039;s ears

Scientologists non stop blame each other and induce beating of their heads against walls, futilely left holding the bag of this losing proposition Hubbard con/cult setup.   Hubbard left the Scientologists to blame each other for their failing to make silk purses out of Hubbard&#039;s sow&#039;s ears &quot;tech&quot; quackery. 

Quit it and follow KSW 1 which challenges quitters to QUIT FAST]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KEY WORDS:  </p>
<p>futility<br />
losing proposition<br />
left holding the bag<br />
beating one&#8217;s head against the wall<br />
you can&#8217;t make a silk purse out of a sow&#8217;s ear</p>
<p>All ex&#8217;s need to at some point once they&#8217;ve rightfully quit official Scientology, look up the above KEY WORDS for their future better life ahead.</p>
<p>Scientology is futile.<br />
Scientology is a losing proposition<br />
Scientologists are left holding the bag.<br />
It is literally impossible to make a silk purse out of Hubbard&#8217;s quackery sow&#8217;s ears</p>
<p>Scientologists non stop blame each other and induce beating of their heads against walls, futilely left holding the bag of this losing proposition Hubbard con/cult setup.   Hubbard left the Scientologists to blame each other for their failing to make silk purses out of Hubbard&#8217;s sow&#8217;s ears &#8220;tech&#8221; quackery. </p>
<p>Quit it and follow KSW 1 which challenges quitters to QUIT FAST</p>
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		By: Non-fatty no thetan		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/san-francisco-poster-child-for-the-ideal-org-fail/#comment-581449</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Non-fatty no thetan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2024 21:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems that real-estate ownership is the key game for Miscavige. 

Not to forget, though, that was also true of Fatty. 

Many other cynical players in the same game, on a worse level than even Scn. 

Mr. Rinder, you had the misfortune of knowing Miscavige. 

From my reading, he said &#039;Ron as the line&#039; for teaching, but he has added new OT levels, changed others. 

Even when I read the account of Helen o&#039;Brien (if you haven&#039;t you should, early-wave dianetecist, she went nuts on previous lives), she was heavily financially exploited by Hubbard on crossover to &#039;Scientology&#039;, 1953. 

Link below. Very worth reading if you haven&#039;t.

http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/dil/Dianetics_in_Limbo.txt

1953 publication, so nothing unethical (in non-Scn. sense) about reading it. 

Also, it isn&#039;t an analogy of Scn., but a good general fiction of a cult, Messiah by Gore Vidal. It&#039;s nothjng like his later works, and may touch you as a former major figure in a contemporary but very different cult. 

Finally, I know that you are having some health problems, my thoughts and prayers are for you there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that real-estate ownership is the key game for Miscavige. </p>
<p>Not to forget, though, that was also true of Fatty. </p>
<p>Many other cynical players in the same game, on a worse level than even Scn. </p>
<p>Mr. Rinder, you had the misfortune of knowing Miscavige. </p>
<p>From my reading, he said &#8216;Ron as the line&#8217; for teaching, but he has added new OT levels, changed others. </p>
<p>Even when I read the account of Helen o&#8217;Brien (if you haven&#8217;t you should, early-wave dianetecist, she went nuts on previous lives), she was heavily financially exploited by Hubbard on crossover to &#8216;Scientology&#8217;, 1953. </p>
<p>Link below. Very worth reading if you haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/dil/Dianetics_in_Limbo.txt" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/dil/Dianetics_in_Limbo.txt</a></p>
<p>1953 publication, so nothing unethical (in non-Scn. sense) about reading it. </p>
<p>Also, it isn&#8217;t an analogy of Scn., but a good general fiction of a cult, Messiah by Gore Vidal. It&#8217;s nothjng like his later works, and may touch you as a former major figure in a contemporary but very different cult. </p>
<p>Finally, I know that you are having some health problems, my thoughts and prayers are for you there.</p>
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		By: Suzie Lovell		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/san-francisco-poster-child-for-the-ideal-org-fail/#comment-581447</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzie Lovell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2024 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientology owns so many of these giant buildings and they don&#039;t use them because of the lack of people. Or they use the buildings every once in a while but not often.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientology owns so many of these giant buildings and they don&#8217;t use them because of the lack of people. Or they use the buildings every once in a while but not often.</p>
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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/san-francisco-poster-child-for-the-ideal-org-fail/#comment-581445</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LoosingMyReligion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2024 20:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miscavige found many &#039;whys&#039; that never brought any changes (see the various Golden Ages), but rather clear and marked deteriorations.
The truth is that they only served to centralize the control of the cult in his hands. He was supposed to find the real &#039;who&#039; behind everything, not just the &#039;why,&#039; but that was actually him and hubbard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miscavige found many &#8216;whys&#8217; that never brought any changes (see the various Golden Ages), but rather clear and marked deteriorations.<br />
The truth is that they only served to centralize the control of the cult in his hands. He was supposed to find the real &#8216;who&#8217; behind everything, not just the &#8216;why,&#8217; but that was actually him and hubbard.</p>
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		By: Denny Owen		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/san-francisco-poster-child-for-the-ideal-org-fail/#comment-581443</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denny Owen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2024 17:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Every once in a while, I drive by the Phoenix Org. From their website, it has a rather stunning appearance, but time has obviously taken a toll on the exterior. It now looks as though it has reach &quot;Ideal Morgue&quot; status.
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />
https://tinyurl.com/yc2jbw2j]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every once in a while, I drive by the Phoenix Org. From their website, it has a rather stunning appearance, but time has obviously taken a toll on the exterior. It now looks as though it has reach &#8220;Ideal Morgue&#8221; status.<br />
😂😂😂😂😂<br />
<a href="https://tinyurl.com/yc2jbw2j" rel="nofollow ugc">https://tinyurl.com/yc2jbw2j</a></p>
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		By: Arnold Erickson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arnold Erickson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2024 15:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even closer to their I heyday, I used to be in that area a lot and could never figure out why they needed such a big building.  It never made me curious enough to find out.  But now I know the answer is that they don’t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even closer to their I heyday, I used to be in that area a lot and could never figure out why they needed such a big building.  It never made me curious enough to find out.  But now I know the answer is that they don’t.</p>
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		By: Ms. B. Haven		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ms. B. Haven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2024 13:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was out of the cult well before the ideal org scam came along. But, I was getting &quot;serviced&quot; at Orange County Org when it supposedly went St. Hill size. I was never at St. Hill, but it seemed to me that although Orange County was busy at the time, it certainly didn&#039;t seem to be as bustling St. Hill was said to be. That stat push to reach St. Hill size lasted only a few weeks and then things cooled down. The &#039;Universe Corps&#039; came to deliver &#039;OT&#039; levels to the staff. Then they left. I was finishing the last of my glass of Kool-Aid at the time and even bought a spiffy commemorative orange e-meter. Whoopie!!! The Kool-Aid left a bad taste in my mouth and I was finally outta there for good. Fortunately for me I was able to unload my orange e-meter along with my complete LRH library years later on Ebay for pennies on the dollar. Although I took it in the shorts financially, I was able to get out with my sanity and life has only gotten better with the passing years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was out of the cult well before the ideal org scam came along. But, I was getting &#8220;serviced&#8221; at Orange County Org when it supposedly went St. Hill size. I was never at St. Hill, but it seemed to me that although Orange County was busy at the time, it certainly didn&#8217;t seem to be as bustling St. Hill was said to be. That stat push to reach St. Hill size lasted only a few weeks and then things cooled down. The &#8216;Universe Corps&#8217; came to deliver &#8216;OT&#8217; levels to the staff. Then they left. I was finishing the last of my glass of Kool-Aid at the time and even bought a spiffy commemorative orange e-meter. Whoopie!!! The Kool-Aid left a bad taste in my mouth and I was finally outta there for good. Fortunately for me I was able to unload my orange e-meter along with my complete LRH library years later on Ebay for pennies on the dollar. Although I took it in the shorts financially, I was able to get out with my sanity and life has only gotten better with the passing years.</p>
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