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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2022 21:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-451118&quot;&gt;Rip Van Winkle&lt;/a&gt;.

You are welcome Mr Winkle. We are all slowly waking from our slumber of wrong and dangerous knowledge.
May I suggest for you a clean shave of that long beard and change your name now to the Phoenix. 
Thank you so much for getting it at this exact time for you. I appreciate it truly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-451118">Rip Van Winkle</a>.</p>
<p>You are welcome Mr Winkle. We are all slowly waking from our slumber of wrong and dangerous knowledge.<br />
May I suggest for you a clean shave of that long beard and change your name now to the Phoenix.<br />
Thank you so much for getting it at this exact time for you. I appreciate it truly.</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Brian

This is well timed for me. 

It was only very recently I ran into a brick wall hard enough to wake up to the situation.....

The Saving The World responsibility gets in so deeply.

Thanks for a well timed article.  

unexpected understanding can succor a day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Brian</p>
<p>This is well timed for me. </p>
<p>It was only very recently I ran into a brick wall hard enough to wake up to the situation&#8230;..</p>
<p>The Saving The World responsibility gets in so deeply.</p>
<p>Thanks for a well timed article.  </p>
<p>unexpected understanding can succor a day.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2022 22:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-450037&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the genius, if I can use that word, with cult tyrants is their mastery of thought control. Governments around the world have for decades  sought to influence populations with the same mind control techniques.
Overthrowing governments by instilling a narrative in media causing normally decent people to act indecently. 

As a naive young boy who loved eastern thought when Hubbard claimed to be the predicated prophet of the Buddha I took the cheese. Ever after that moment I gave him the power to instill thoughts and behaviors into me.

The good deceivers are able to cause us to think it is our independent decisions that cause us to follow a cult tyrant unquestionably.

They do this by priming trust little by little, always causing us to view them as special and apart from others, always a little better than everyone. 

I have compassion for all of us. It wasn’t because we were stupid (although that is always a possibility lol!) it was because we trusted. Con men are expert at creating trust as a web to snare their victim. 

It was also our goodness that Hubbard tapped into. All cult tyrants are expert at making the cult member feel they are doing good and helping people. 

Our goodness, naivety, trust, desire to grow and learn, the desire to be happy and help others…

are all expertly manipulated to make each of these positive traits into self created prison bars.

The positive thing, for me, getting through Hubbard, is my BS detector is top of game. The only thing I trust now is my ability to research, analyze and inquire into claims made by others. 

You do good work John. Thank you for helping people work through the mind prison. 

It’s just a little too easy for us humans to be fooled like this. But on the other hand, maybe it’s the experience of getting caught in it that frees us from it when we wake up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-450037">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>I think the genius, if I can use that word, with cult tyrants is their mastery of thought control. Governments around the world have for decades  sought to influence populations with the same mind control techniques.<br />
Overthrowing governments by instilling a narrative in media causing normally decent people to act indecently. </p>
<p>As a naive young boy who loved eastern thought when Hubbard claimed to be the predicated prophet of the Buddha I took the cheese. Ever after that moment I gave him the power to instill thoughts and behaviors into me.</p>
<p>The good deceivers are able to cause us to think it is our independent decisions that cause us to follow a cult tyrant unquestionably.</p>
<p>They do this by priming trust little by little, always causing us to view them as special and apart from others, always a little better than everyone. </p>
<p>I have compassion for all of us. It wasn’t because we were stupid (although that is always a possibility lol!) it was because we trusted. Con men are expert at creating trust as a web to snare their victim. </p>
<p>It was also our goodness that Hubbard tapped into. All cult tyrants are expert at making the cult member feel they are doing good and helping people. </p>
<p>Our goodness, naivety, trust, desire to grow and learn, the desire to be happy and help others…</p>
<p>are all expertly manipulated to make each of these positive traits into self created prison bars.</p>
<p>The positive thing, for me, getting through Hubbard, is my BS detector is top of game. The only thing I trust now is my ability to research, analyze and inquire into claims made by others. </p>
<p>You do good work John. Thank you for helping people work through the mind prison. </p>
<p>It’s just a little too easy for us humans to be fooled like this. But on the other hand, maybe it’s the experience of getting caught in it that frees us from it when we wake up.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2022 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-450117&quot;&gt;Geoff Levin&lt;/a&gt;.

Wonderful views Geoff!]]></description>
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<p>Wonderful views Geoff!</p>
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		By: Geoff Levin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2022 05:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian, 
Well stated. When I realized 8 years ago I was done with the organization I realized I no longer had a sky high purpose that was both heroic and altruistic. What to do, what to do?  I think many ex-Scientologists are at a loss once they lose the humongous goal to clear the planet.  For each of us I feel we must  find a purpose that is long term or a lifetime purpose. For me it is supporting my group and the individuals in it. Music artists is my group and they do change the world for the better. In fact music is the universal language. So I have been mentoring music artists and supporting the various groups that have formed around forwarding music and music creators. 
Music kept me somewhat connected to non-Scientologists and also kept me grounded. When I had my breakdown it was tied to not being able to create anymore. In Scientology no purpose is as important as forwarding Scientology. How many artists of all kinds gave up their passion to dedicate themselves to Hubbards false purpose?
Thanks Brian for cogently clarifying the psychopathic leaders unattainable goal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,<br />
Well stated. When I realized 8 years ago I was done with the organization I realized I no longer had a sky high purpose that was both heroic and altruistic. What to do, what to do?  I think many ex-Scientologists are at a loss once they lose the humongous goal to clear the planet.  For each of us I feel we must  find a purpose that is long term or a lifetime purpose. For me it is supporting my group and the individuals in it. Music artists is my group and they do change the world for the better. In fact music is the universal language. So I have been mentoring music artists and supporting the various groups that have formed around forwarding music and music creators.<br />
Music kept me somewhat connected to non-Scientologists and also kept me grounded. When I had my breakdown it was tied to not being able to create anymore. In Scientology no purpose is as important as forwarding Scientology. How many artists of all kinds gave up their passion to dedicate themselves to Hubbards false purpose?<br />
Thanks Brian for cogently clarifying the psychopathic leaders unattainable goal.</p>
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		By: Karl Woodrow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2022 00:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-449957&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Peridot,

 Thanks for sharing your personal experience.  Whew! I have observed the same things you describe.   And I agree that it’s too bad that basic auditing cannot be made easily and readily available, and supported for broad use ...at least by the COS.
    My attitude is that I am simply going to be of service to my fellow human beings in any way they appreciate.   And Fxxx DM, the C.O.S, and any other sociopaths who don&#039;t like it.  <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f601.png" alt="😁" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-449957">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Peridot,</p>
<p> Thanks for sharing your personal experience.  Whew! I have observed the same things you describe.   And I agree that it’s too bad that basic auditing cannot be made easily and readily available, and supported for broad use &#8230;at least by the COS.<br />
    My attitude is that I am simply going to be of service to my fellow human beings in any way they appreciate.   And Fxxx DM, the C.O.S, and any other sociopaths who don&#8217;t like it.  😁</p>
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		By: Karl Woodrow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl Woodrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2022 23:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-449952&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for the acknowledgement, Brian.   My &quot;secret&quot; is that I have never &quot;believed in&quot; Scientology. I have only studied it and used whatever I have learned only for the purpose of being of assistance to other people and myself.  <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f92b.png" alt="🤫" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f917.png" alt="🤗" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-449952">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for the acknowledgement, Brian.   My &#8220;secret&#8221; is that I have never &#8220;believed in&#8221; Scientology. I have only studied it and used whatever I have learned only for the purpose of being of assistance to other people and myself.  🤫🤗</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2022 14:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article, Brian. 
I&#039;ve gone through a similar transition.

Scientology is a prime example of why utilitarianism sucks balls.

As much as I applied this when in, the idea of a world ruled by the CoS/ethics &#038; justice codes terrified me. I suspect I was far from unique. For me, this particular cognitive dissonance is hard to fathom, even now.

Kant&#039;s categorical imperative is currently serving me well in life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Brian.<br />
I&#8217;ve gone through a similar transition.</p>
<p>Scientology is a prime example of why utilitarianism sucks balls.</p>
<p>As much as I applied this when in, the idea of a world ruled by the CoS/ethics &amp; justice codes terrified me. I suspect I was far from unique. For me, this particular cognitive dissonance is hard to fathom, even now.</p>
<p>Kant&#8217;s categorical imperative is currently serving me well in life.</p>
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		By: Mark Kamran		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2022 08:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian said &quot; Cult leaders are never self-aware. That is because for the cult leader the enemy is always a delusional external force. Cult tyrants never blame themselves or their organization for any shortcomings&quot; <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f44c.png" alt="👌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />

It&#039;s all because they are the King not the King Maker ( one who pull the strings).

Cult leaders are choosen by &quot; The King Makers&quot; for sinster  motive .

History goes back thousands of years and they act as catalyst ( cannot be identified but act  behind the scene) in bringing changes through an unconventional mean known as  &quot; obsession&quot;  

That&#039;s why in every Cult one thing is common &quot; reality is subjective from the point of view of observer ( follower) &quot;  

That&#039;s why the follower give himself  at the disposal of the Cult leader. As he blend his reality with the leaders.
This is obsession , the ultimate product of Cult.

So who is biggest enemy of Cults,  those who accept the reality after empirical evidence . 
It includes all those graduated from Universities , especially  PhD scholars.

If you want to see  death on the face of cult follower , mention the word University.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian said &#8221; Cult leaders are never self-aware. That is because for the cult leader the enemy is always a delusional external force. Cult tyrants never blame themselves or their organization for any shortcomings&#8221; 👌</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all because they are the King not the King Maker ( one who pull the strings).</p>
<p>Cult leaders are choosen by &#8221; The King Makers&#8221; for sinster  motive .</p>
<p>History goes back thousands of years and they act as catalyst ( cannot be identified but act  behind the scene) in bringing changes through an unconventional mean known as  &#8221; obsession&#8221;  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why in every Cult one thing is common &#8221; reality is subjective from the point of view of observer ( follower) &#8221;  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the follower give himself  at the disposal of the Cult leader. As he blend his reality with the leaders.<br />
This is obsession , the ultimate product of Cult.</p>
<p>So who is biggest enemy of Cults,  those who accept the reality after empirical evidence .<br />
It includes all those graduated from Universities , especially  PhD scholars.</p>
<p>If you want to see  death on the face of cult follower , mention the word University.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2022 21:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-449948&quot;&gt;Karl Woodrow&lt;/a&gt;.

Karl, I agree with you here. In my experience, there are some amazing aspects to auditing, learning and applying the auditor&#039;s code, and many of the auditing processes. Positive, useful, and constructive.

 It&#039;s too bad that basic auditing cannot be made easily and readily available, and supported for broad use. As any Former-In knows, it really is NOT. There are an enormous amount of hoops to jump through and standards and certifications to maintain. In my experience, an org staff is trained to stomp out any use of auditing technology beyond its walls and to do so with severe justice actions, such as Committees of Evidence and Non-Enturbulation Orders. 

In addition, if one simply wanted to participate in org activities as a peaceful, skillful auditor to bring others emotional-mental relief, there is the onslaught (instead) of IAS and Ideal Org registrars. The fundraising and aims to &quot;break you&quot; and control you (your entire life and schedule) are non-stop. 

For at least five years before I figured out to leave, I arrived at a thought, that this group is bi-polar. It spends as much energy on being absolutely dreadful to its participants as it does delivering some good. I suppose, once the balance tips and you see THE TREND has become that you are MOSTLY treated poorly, you know it&#039;s time to leave. 

But for those of us who genuinely slayed some mental dragons and gained a lot by learning how to audit and delivering gains to others, it is sad. It&#039;s sad to see a group and set of policies that are so internally at odds with each other. 

I appreciate, Karl, what you state here about learning how to audit. I agree, auditing someone else and helping them to uncover honest &quot;root cause(s)&quot; of their difficulties is a genuinely helpful activity. I got a lot out of auditing others, and I always got a lot out of my own auditing. I am glad to say, my experiences were positive and long-term helpful.

I&#039;ve heard some people in and who left complain about how Objectives got changed, but I personally found the changes to be positive. Objectives delivered as a co-audit got strengthened as &#039;the norm,&#039; for instance; people pay just the one price and then co-audit to their heart&#039;s content, as the saying goes. The approach has still a standard set of Objective processes, but hundreds more became available that are handpicked and tailored to the difficulty you bring forth that you would like to address in Objectives. If you have a good co-audit pairing, it can be quite an all-around positive experience.

Of course, I am speaking from the PUBLIC view. I can only imagine how dreadful and onerous getting through Objectives might be for an org staff member or Sea Org member. I am confident all sorts of impossibilities and ridiculous obstacles are put there to make it not a good, helpful experience at all -- learning what I am (now out) about what the life of a staff or Sea Org member is like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/saving-the-world-clearing-the-planet/#comment-449948">Karl Woodrow</a>.</p>
<p>Karl, I agree with you here. In my experience, there are some amazing aspects to auditing, learning and applying the auditor&#8217;s code, and many of the auditing processes. Positive, useful, and constructive.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s too bad that basic auditing cannot be made easily and readily available, and supported for broad use. As any Former-In knows, it really is NOT. There are an enormous amount of hoops to jump through and standards and certifications to maintain. In my experience, an org staff is trained to stomp out any use of auditing technology beyond its walls and to do so with severe justice actions, such as Committees of Evidence and Non-Enturbulation Orders. </p>
<p>In addition, if one simply wanted to participate in org activities as a peaceful, skillful auditor to bring others emotional-mental relief, there is the onslaught (instead) of IAS and Ideal Org registrars. The fundraising and aims to &#8220;break you&#8221; and control you (your entire life and schedule) are non-stop. </p>
<p>For at least five years before I figured out to leave, I arrived at a thought, that this group is bi-polar. It spends as much energy on being absolutely dreadful to its participants as it does delivering some good. I suppose, once the balance tips and you see THE TREND has become that you are MOSTLY treated poorly, you know it&#8217;s time to leave. </p>
<p>But for those of us who genuinely slayed some mental dragons and gained a lot by learning how to audit and delivering gains to others, it is sad. It&#8217;s sad to see a group and set of policies that are so internally at odds with each other. </p>
<p>I appreciate, Karl, what you state here about learning how to audit. I agree, auditing someone else and helping them to uncover honest &#8220;root cause(s)&#8221; of their difficulties is a genuinely helpful activity. I got a lot out of auditing others, and I always got a lot out of my own auditing. I am glad to say, my experiences were positive and long-term helpful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard some people in and who left complain about how Objectives got changed, but I personally found the changes to be positive. Objectives delivered as a co-audit got strengthened as &#8216;the norm,&#8217; for instance; people pay just the one price and then co-audit to their heart&#8217;s content, as the saying goes. The approach has still a standard set of Objective processes, but hundreds more became available that are handpicked and tailored to the difficulty you bring forth that you would like to address in Objectives. If you have a good co-audit pairing, it can be quite an all-around positive experience.</p>
<p>Of course, I am speaking from the PUBLIC view. I can only imagine how dreadful and onerous getting through Objectives might be for an org staff member or Sea Org member. I am confident all sorts of impossibilities and ridiculous obstacles are put there to make it not a good, helpful experience at all &#8212; learning what I am (now out) about what the life of a staff or Sea Org member is like.</p>
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