Roger: “Apparently you didn’t notice that I concluded the matter quite equitably.”

YOU concluded the matter? You mean with your flat-out assertion that “psi doesn’t exist,” repeated yet again, and then your final attempt to make nothing of all the evidence that it does exist? That didn’t quite “conclude the matter” for me, Rog. Nor did I think it was “equitable.” I guess you hoped not to get a rebuttal. Anyway, it’s all good now. Cheers. 🙂

I can’t believe you’re still on that with me. Apparently you didn’t notice that I concluded the matter quite equitably.

Roger, we don’t have to wait for a James Randi type of test for evidence that mind (or “consciousness”) does influence matter at least in small ways. This evidence has been produced repeatedly by Radin and others – regardless of the fact that, as you say, “not all scientists” accept the findings. Many of them do.

The significance of these findings, in terms of our discussion, is that mind/consciousness has been demonstrated, albeit in small ways, to operate outside of matter. Put in another way, the experiments indicate that mind has no wave length, location, space, etc. – i.e. it’s a static.

Not true, Mike. Many of Radin’s experiments have been replicated. One of my favorites even provides evidence of the “obsever effect” in the double-slit experiment of quantum physics.

“At the recent Science of Consciousness conference held in Tucson, Arizona, Dean Radin delivered a talk that summarized more than ten years of research on the influence of the mind on a quantum level. He explained that not only are his positive results with the double-slit experiment statistically robust, but they have been replicated by many laboratories throughout the world. On a quantum level, our consciousness has a measurable effect on the behavior of elementary particles.” https://explore.scimednet.org/index.php/2016/06/24/consciousness-and-the-double-slit-experiment/

Correct rogerHornaday. No scientist has been able to replicate Radin’s results. Therefore it is on the order of claims of a working perpetual motion machine as far as tested science goes.

Marildi, Dean Radin has obtained “interesting” results from his research but it remains a matter of how the data is interpreted as to whether he has proved or given evidence of anything. Not all scientists interpret his ‘anomalies’ in accordance with how Radin STRONGLY WANTS them to be interpreted. Radin’s agenda is to prove psi and he appears mightily determined to do so.

In truth, my mind is quite closed on the matter of psi as is yours. I say it doesn’t exist and you believe it does. Neither of us are budging. I have no interest in the matter but I assure you that will change the minute somebody collects James Randi’s million.

“Calling me a ‘flat-earther’ because I don’t acknowledge the modus operandi of Harry Potter as being existent outside the wonders of CGI belies a sophisticated sense of humor.”

That’s quite an exaggeration, Roger – to compare what I was referencing to Harry Potter powers and infer that was what I was talking about. My only claim was that, according to scientific research findings, it is possible for the mind to be cause over matter – especially if many minds are working together, as in the experiments described in the short video I linked. You mentioned prayer, and I would add that prayer is another class of experiment where a group focusing their attention and intention gets statistically higher results by far than mere chance.

Basically, the evidence is irrefutable that the mind is indeed capable of influencing matter, even if only in small ways. What this tells us is that there is more to existence than the physical, which is a datum (or an Axiom) that I would say is capable of changing attitudes and thus behavior.

And I wasn’t trying to be funny with my comment about “flat Earth-ers” – I was only making the point that your mind seems to be made up in spite of evidence to the contrary, and you seem to be unwilling to look. I wonder if you even bothered to spend ten minutes to watch the video, let alone look into any of the many research papers that science journals have published – which you implied you would give credence to if such existed. If you haven’t done any of that, then “flat Earth-er” seems applicable. Doncha think?

I’m fine, NOLAGirl, thanks for asking. My best to you and yours.

Calling me a “flat-earther” because I don’t acknowledge the modus operandi of Harry Potter as being existent outside the wonders of CGI belies a sophisticated sense of humor.

But let us say everybody suddenly acknowledged the evidence for psi. What would change? Maybe The Sylvia Brownes of the world, the Uri Gellers et al would be emboldened but peoples’ prayers would still be answered and unanswered at the same rate. Scientology would still have its unremarkable OT’s. In short, James Randi’s million dollars would still go uncollected.