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		By: The KafkaTrap &#8211; The Electric Agora		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The KafkaTrap &#8211; The Electric Agora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2021 18:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] less to control bodies than to control minds. Take Scientology as an example. Within Scientology, anyone who criticizes the Scientological methods is called a Suppressive Person (SP), and they are SP’s because they are controlled too much by the bad part of their mind (their [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] less to control bodies than to control minds. Take Scientology as an example. Within Scientology, anyone who criticizes the Scientological methods is called a Suppressive Person (SP), and they are SP’s because they are controlled too much by the bad part of their mind (their [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 20:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-368133&quot;&gt;Brianna Brent&lt;/a&gt;.

Brianna -- you can call them up and ask if it is important for you to know....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-368133">Brianna Brent</a>.</p>
<p>Brianna &#8212; you can call them up and ask if it is important for you to know&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Brianna Brent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brianna Brent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 20:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike,

Is there any way that I can find out if I, myself, have been declared by the church as a suppressive person? 

I grew up in the church, was a cadet/child staff member in Clearwater at age 11 and 12 until my dad routed out and moved us back to our hometown, then joined the sea org at age 14 at AOLA, blew, got talked into flying back to route out, came back, and then blew again, and then got out of Scientology for good in about 1995 at age 15. 

I just recently about a year ago decided to speak out against the church by replying to the multiple pieces of mail I receive on a weekly basis, and sent back replies stating things like DM is a fraud, and Scientology ruins lives and rips families apart, etc. Very soon after that, my dad who is a Scientologist and active doing service at FLB still deleted me from Facebook and his wife blocked me (As a side note, we haven’t actually spoke in many years because he’s always considered me a DB). It makes me think they did finally declare me and tell them they had to disconnect from me, and I guess I’m just curious if that’s what’s actually happened. Just wondering if there is a way for me to find out if I’m a part of that club of people now? Haha. 

Thank you so much for all you have done me and for all of us that needed you and Leah and the work you are doing!! I am forever traumatized by my childhood and the life I lived growing up in the church, and am still healing to this day at 40 years old. 

Much love,
Brianna]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Is there any way that I can find out if I, myself, have been declared by the church as a suppressive person? </p>
<p>I grew up in the church, was a cadet/child staff member in Clearwater at age 11 and 12 until my dad routed out and moved us back to our hometown, then joined the sea org at age 14 at AOLA, blew, got talked into flying back to route out, came back, and then blew again, and then got out of Scientology for good in about 1995 at age 15. </p>
<p>I just recently about a year ago decided to speak out against the church by replying to the multiple pieces of mail I receive on a weekly basis, and sent back replies stating things like DM is a fraud, and Scientology ruins lives and rips families apart, etc. Very soon after that, my dad who is a Scientologist and active doing service at FLB still deleted me from Facebook and his wife blocked me (As a side note, we haven’t actually spoke in many years because he’s always considered me a DB). It makes me think they did finally declare me and tell them they had to disconnect from me, and I guess I’m just curious if that’s what’s actually happened. Just wondering if there is a way for me to find out if I’m a part of that club of people now? Haha. </p>
<p>Thank you so much for all you have done me and for all of us that needed you and Leah and the work you are doing!! I am forever traumatized by my childhood and the life I lived growing up in the church, and am still healing to this day at 40 years old. </p>
<p>Much love,<br />
Brianna</p>
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		By: Kevin Dyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2020 20:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-345633&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

I wanted to leave scientology sea org and did leave and that meant I was a degraded being and was so labeled. Such a conditioning term, every person who wishes to leave correctly is degraded.]]></description>
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<p>I wanted to leave scientology sea org and did leave and that meant I was a degraded being and was so labeled. Such a conditioning term, every person who wishes to leave correctly is degraded.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-345842</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2020 20:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-345823&quot;&gt;Chris Barnes&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Chris. That was definitely an &quot;SO#1&quot; letter written by the people assigned to answer his mail on his behalf. Despite what he claimed, he did NOT see letters sent to him. He was out of touch and staying that way for fear of being served or accused of running scientology (which he was still doing, but didnt want it to be obvious)]]></description>
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<p>Thanks Chris. That was definitely an &#8220;SO#1&#8221; letter written by the people assigned to answer his mail on his behalf. Despite what he claimed, he did NOT see letters sent to him. He was out of touch and staying that way for fear of being served or accused of running scientology (which he was still doing, but didnt want it to be obvious)</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2020 20:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-345829&quot;&gt;Chris Barnes&lt;/a&gt;.

OK, thanks for clarifying Chris. Yes, he was never a cadet. He was in Philly with his family. Ronnie had already joined the SO and Dave eventually came to Clearwater to join him. It is true he was one of the original WDC members, but when it was formed the chairman was Dede Reisdorf. Dave was never WDC Chairman or CO CMO Int. He busted Dede and then Gale, but he did not assume that position. It&#039;s a long story. Yes, I was there in 83. I was there every year from it&#039;s purchase to when I left for the last time in 2006. What is your brother&#039;s name? I do remember your mother, though it seems she was not on the Apollo for long?]]></description>
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<p>OK, thanks for clarifying Chris. Yes, he was never a cadet. He was in Philly with his family. Ronnie had already joined the SO and Dave eventually came to Clearwater to join him. It is true he was one of the original WDC members, but when it was formed the chairman was Dede Reisdorf. Dave was never WDC Chairman or CO CMO Int. He busted Dede and then Gale, but he did not assume that position. It&#8217;s a long story. Yes, I was there in 83. I was there every year from it&#8217;s purchase to when I left for the last time in 2006. What is your brother&#8217;s name? I do remember your mother, though it seems she was not on the Apollo for long?</p>
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		By: Chris Barnes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Barnes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2020 19:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-345761&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry Mike, Maybe I am being a little obtuse. 1972-1975 I was a Sea Org cadet at Saint Hill at UKLO under Ron Hopkins , Greg Smith and Norman Charlton. I worked with other Saint Hill cadets after school and weekends. DM was there too, he was training to be an auditor. He and his brothers were around and did some work at AOSHUK. Thinking about it now I described DM as a cadet, when he may not have signed his SO contract until later. He was sent to Flag. I assumed it was the Apollo. Maybe he just missed that after the move ashore to the Forth Harrison. My point was that he was a young teenager at Saint Hill around 1973/74 and I used to eat dinner with him at the Stables. I was very close to Lori. His family rented a house in EG town. We saw him most days when we were in the course room. Years later, DM was CO CMO at Gilman and my brother was there too as Treasury Sec CMO. for a while.  (I guess you may have been there in 1983 possibly when the Clipper ship was built). I met DM and his CMO staff again at AOSHUK when I was 18 when they were visiting briefly just before the Mission Holders Conference and takedown of the GO WW. My bother told me that he and DM were on the first WDC around 1982/83 as my brother was on the CMO staff at Gilman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-345761">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry Mike, Maybe I am being a little obtuse. 1972-1975 I was a Sea Org cadet at Saint Hill at UKLO under Ron Hopkins , Greg Smith and Norman Charlton. I worked with other Saint Hill cadets after school and weekends. DM was there too, he was training to be an auditor. He and his brothers were around and did some work at AOSHUK. Thinking about it now I described DM as a cadet, when he may not have signed his SO contract until later. He was sent to Flag. I assumed it was the Apollo. Maybe he just missed that after the move ashore to the Forth Harrison. My point was that he was a young teenager at Saint Hill around 1973/74 and I used to eat dinner with him at the Stables. I was very close to Lori. His family rented a house in EG town. We saw him most days when we were in the course room. Years later, DM was CO CMO at Gilman and my brother was there too as Treasury Sec CMO. for a while.  (I guess you may have been there in 1983 possibly when the Clipper ship was built). I met DM and his CMO staff again at AOSHUK when I was 18 when they were visiting briefly just before the Mission Holders Conference and takedown of the GO WW. My bother told me that he and DM were on the first WDC around 1982/83 as my brother was on the CMO staff at Gilman.</p>
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		By: Chris Barnes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Barnes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2020 18:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-345763&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi!  I wrote to LRH around June 1983 and got a signed letter back. Wish I kept it now. LOL. He said something about growing roses and breeding horses. I asked him about his &#039;Rifle&#039; residence and he said he could not comment on that. He was pleased that I had been instrumental in repairing and cleaning out his swimming pool at Saint Hill Manor.]]></description>
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<p>Hi!  I wrote to LRH around June 1983 and got a signed letter back. Wish I kept it now. LOL. He said something about growing roses and breeding horses. I asked him about his &#8216;Rifle&#8217; residence and he said he could not comment on that. He was pleased that I had been instrumental in repairing and cleaning out his swimming pool at Saint Hill Manor.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2020 13:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-345709&quot;&gt;Chris Barnes&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, obviously I did not understand what you wrote and still don’t follow your reference to source.

Who is it you had a comm cycle with in 1983? Hubbard?]]></description>
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<p>Thanks, obviously I did not understand what you wrote and still don’t follow your reference to source.</p>
<p>Who is it you had a comm cycle with in 1983? Hubbard?</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2020 12:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-suppressive-persons-types-a-b/#comment-345714&quot;&gt;Chris Barnes&lt;/a&gt;.

Unfortunately you have some very basic facts wrong here which puts your entire Comment in doubt. Miscavige was never a cadet. He joined the SO when he was 16. He was not on the Apollo. He was never CO CMO Int or WDC Chairman.]]></description>
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<p>Unfortunately you have some very basic facts wrong here which puts your entire Comment in doubt. Miscavige was never a cadet. He joined the SO when he was 16. He was not on the Apollo. He was never CO CMO Int or WDC Chairman.</p>
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