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for YOU Aqua!

Earth creatures are indeed beautiful, but the wild ones learn from birth that the natural order of the Universe is the need to survive…..you are either Prey Or Predator. Wild animals have a strong instinct to survive at all costs. Even our domesticated animals at times will turn on the person who has loved & cared for them for years with little to no cause, because they ARE animals.

For many the purchase of organic or free range foods is not affordable. Senior citizens, those living on disability or low income pay check can’t afford high priced foods. As some in Alaska do, they grow their own vegetables, can their own veggies, can their fish & meats & MUST hunt to survive the need for protein in their diet to get through the long dark winters.

No matter how much you want to look into the face of the wild creature of God, that animal will have no trouble “taking you out at a moment’s notice should they feel threatened in any way. Animals kill other animals to survive, just as we kill them to survive at times.

Please read up on LONG TIME bear enthusiast “Timothy Treadwell”, he was a devoted Pro Bear spokesperson who didn’t heed the dangers of being in “their territory…..

Same with me, not much use for Church anymore….do love our grown kids, cats & assorted dogs who all lived to be 13+ years old before becoming seriously ill. Sometimes with animals (or people) you get BACK what you give out….sometimes you don’t.

Balletlady, I hear you on everything. We encroach on their territory and eliminate their natural predators and they over populate. I understand, they have to be culled. Killed, so they don’t overpopulate. I understand. But – and I know how this sounds – so – whatever – I love them! These creatures – all earth creatures – they’re so beautiful! Nature is God, to me. I know I joke around a lot but I’m serious now – nature and God are the same to me.What’s more miraculous and God-like than the billion miracles that are occurring in nature every minute? What’s more beautiful than looking into the face of an animal whether its a wild one or a domestic pet? Look, I’m being neither coherent nor logical as I’m this city girl who eats meat which is raised by others and slaughtered and packaged by others so that I can buy it at a supermarket. Must the animals suffer so that we can eat? I would pay – I DO pay extra for free range chickens and eggs and humanely raised meat (Thank you, btw, Komodo for those book suggestions!)

No, this is not logical. I just love mammal and aquatic life. I love to see them alive, doing their things, out there. Insects not so much but live and let live. This Nature is God thing started when I was a kid. Never had much use for church. God, to me was being with my dogs and cats and horses , stray pigeons and squirrels, I was a suburban Ellie Mae Clampett 🙂 I probably should have been a veterinarian. 🙂 Ok, enough. 🙂

My dearest Aqua……
I am not a veggie lover, I do enjoyspinach, broccoli, cauliflower etc in small doses……I am a “cannibal”, I love meat! However, my own immediate family, no one hunts….my cousins are “murders row”….they hunt consistently all year long with whatever might be in season. My son in law & his brothers do hunt & fish, and they enjoy it.

Sadly, the wild animal population continues to grow…..we live in the country & seeing dead deer that have been hit by cars or pick up trucks or even an occasional “semi truck” are horrific sights…..I’ve had several close calls when a deer or a herd of deer come running across the road without warning. A decade ago, a deer ran into the front end of my mother’s car damaging the head light…she did NOT even SEE it, just heard a loud BANG & the deer was gone, with a hunter hot on it’s tail (she lived in the remote country at that time)…..

Friends who own acreage & raise cattle are troubled by wild coyotes & even wolves…they will kill YOU if you get in their way. We have bear population in the area…. we see bear two or three times a year in our backyard, front yard, across in the neighbor’s properties…..if you want to stroll through the woods nearby, best to carry a firearm with you. We have to wait until the early a.m. to place our trash cans at the curb, the bears continually dump them over to eat anything they can find. We turn on lights & look around in the early a.m. or at night to make sure there are no bear in the yard before we go out. These are bears that weight 300 to 500+ lbs….wandering around and WE are more or less in what they consider “their territory”. Their population continues to grow in the area as well & there is the need to cull them too.

For me, despite all I know, I cannot slaughter an animal. I KNOW what happens at these places, yet since I am not a “veggie lover”….it’s my main food of choice.

My BFF & her daughter are Vegetarians, her son went totally Vegan….I could never live that way, but give credit to those who do.

The way I look at it sometimes…is “ripping a vegetable out of the ground” is in a sense stopping it from living too…that’s what I tell my Vegetarian/Vegan friends!!!!

Sorry Aquamarine! Lost in print speak. I had to google it myself awhile ago… and I’m not sure I’m not still confused as it is.

Naw Richard. I remember when there was only 3 billion and the “experts” said we would be extinct and never reach this current level.

We don’t even leverage the tech we have now to feed everyone. No problem to double, tripe, etc.

Cindy, a throughout study of human biology shows that we are NOT herbivores but omnivores. Humans can live indefinitely on meat and animal fat as its sole diet and not get ill. It is EXTREMELY difficult, even using modern tech and know how, to force the body into a herbivore diet.

Would you force a horse to become a carnivore?

Kimodo Dragon, what is the vegetarian myth? I’m interested to know as I’m going back and forth on whether to be vegetarian/vegan or not. I read pros and cons all the time and both can make convincing arguments for either side. What does that book by Lierre Kieth say? Just a thumbnail sketch for me please?

I only took one biology course in college. The professor liked to refer to humans as “large dirty mammals”, biologically speaking of course. That would be as opposed to “the beauty of the human form” or “created in God’s image”. Just saying – lol

In 1960 there were 3 billion humans of either description walking the earth and today less than 60 years later there are almost 8 billion. It would seem the be fruitful and multiply crowd still holds sway.

On the discussion of food, we now have almost 8 billion large hungry mammals walking around and the number continues to rise. Houston, we may have a problem.

Aqua, I am a 6 year “recovering vegan/vegetarian” and have done a tremendous amount of reading and research on ethical treatment of livestock. Here are some of my favorite books on this vitally important subject:

Cow Save the Planet by Judith Schwartz
The Ethical Butcher by Burlin Reed
The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Kieth
Primal Mind Primal Body by Nora Gedgaudas
Allan Savory-YouTube presentations