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		By: Roland Rashleigh-Berry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roland Rashleigh-Berry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[First consider a group which takes in money but does not deliver anything in exchange. This is called rip-off. It is the “exchange” condition of robbers, tax men, governments and other criminal elements..– L. Ron Hubbard – HCO PL 10 Sep 82 – Exchange, Org Income and Staff Pay.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First consider a group which takes in money but does not deliver anything in exchange. This is called rip-off. It is the “exchange” condition of robbers, tax men, governments and other criminal elements..– L. Ron Hubbard – HCO PL 10 Sep 82 – Exchange, Org Income and Staff Pay.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68098&quot;&gt;Marie guerin&lt;/a&gt;.

hence the big emphasis on &quot;increasing your IQ&quot; throught Co$ processing. The victims are made to feel that they&#039;re doing the smart thing in donating while their emotonal weaknesses are being worked on. For this reason, I think that it&#039;s wrong to ask of ex-members &quot;how could you be so stupid as to be manipulated?&quot; because it&#039;s not a question of intelligence - IMHO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68098">Marie guerin</a>.</p>
<p>hence the big emphasis on &#8220;increasing your IQ&#8221; throught Co$ processing. The victims are made to feel that they&#8217;re doing the smart thing in donating while their emotonal weaknesses are being worked on. For this reason, I think that it&#8217;s wrong to ask of ex-members &#8220;how could you be so stupid as to be manipulated?&#8221; because it&#8217;s not a question of intelligence &#8211; IMHO.</p>
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		By: Congolium		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Congolium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 23:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68257&quot;&gt;The Phoenix&lt;/a&gt;.

I knew that it was abducted and taken far away from it&#039;s original context. I just think it holds much irony in it&#039;s new home concerning the subject of ideal orgs. A virtually empty building is nothing but a pile of solid matter giving off, little or no energy rendering it&#039;s existence a useless occupation of space and time. Didn&#039;t LRH have stringent rules on how his quoted word was to be used?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68257">The Phoenix</a>.</p>
<p>I knew that it was abducted and taken far away from it&#8217;s original context. I just think it holds much irony in it&#8217;s new home concerning the subject of ideal orgs. A virtually empty building is nothing but a pile of solid matter giving off, little or no energy rendering it&#8217;s existence a useless occupation of space and time. Didn&#8217;t LRH have stringent rules on how his quoted word was to be used?</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68317</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68171&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Very well done to you. Best wishes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68171">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Very well done to you. Best wishes.</p>
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		By: dave95694		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68222&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68222">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68299</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 18:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68219&quot;&gt;dave95694&lt;/a&gt;.

# of people diverted OFF the bridge by declare, cancelling certs or financial rape.  THAT&#039;S where he gets his 47x number!]]></description>
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<p># of people diverted OFF the bridge by declare, cancelling certs or financial rape.  THAT&#8217;S where he gets his 47x number!</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 18:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68171&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Haha! Thx so much!  I have a cute hubby of 35 years so I think I&#039;ll keep him a little longer.  ;)   I actually think most people who were in Scn for any length of time had some wins.  The problem is they were inconsistent for so many that the win(s) became overwhelmed by losses.  The potential is still there.  After 10,000 hrs in the chair, the game became very simple for me; free beings.  Anything that doesn&#039;t contribute to that directly is not important.  Fancy buildings, fair gaming, copious compliance reports, eval of sp items, slick promo, politics, statuses, who&#039;s on first, etc, is all extremely unimportant. A woman called me last week with some wonderful wins on an OT level.  Gains can still be made under unsuppressive circumstances if people wish it.  It&#039;s a great way to flip a bird at all the assholes who have tried to unmock the game of freeing beings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68171">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Haha! Thx so much!  I have a cute hubby of 35 years so I think I&#8217;ll keep him a little longer.  😉   I actually think most people who were in Scn for any length of time had some wins.  The problem is they were inconsistent for so many that the win(s) became overwhelmed by losses.  The potential is still there.  After 10,000 hrs in the chair, the game became very simple for me; free beings.  Anything that doesn&#8217;t contribute to that directly is not important.  Fancy buildings, fair gaming, copious compliance reports, eval of sp items, slick promo, politics, statuses, who&#8217;s on first, etc, is all extremely unimportant. A woman called me last week with some wonderful wins on an OT level.  Gains can still be made under unsuppressive circumstances if people wish it.  It&#8217;s a great way to flip a bird at all the assholes who have tried to unmock the game of freeing beings.</p>
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		By: RolandRB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68117&quot;&gt;nomnom&lt;/a&gt;.

I wonder what the whales would think if they worked out that their donations are not helping expansion at all but instead their money is being used for the day-to-day running of the &quot;Church&quot; which is doing nothing more than treading water to keep afloat. Donations have replaced income in the &quot;Church&quot; and just as income kept them running from day to day in the past, charitable donations now do so instead. They are not expanding and can never now expand because the new public with money does not want to buy what they have to sell. The members themselves don&#039;t want training and auditing any more so how can they expect expansion in the form of new people coming in and paying for training and auditing? Who cares about being Clear and OT these days If you pay for and reach these levels then in three years time you have to pay for it again and redo it all again. And then again three years after that. Do they expect new people to buy into that - because without new people coming in and spending money then there will be no expansion?

No, their donations that they think are helping people and think is helping the &quot;Church&quot; expand are just paying the bills and keeping the Sea Org in fake navy uniforms with all the rice and beans they can eat. What will the whales do when they finally have that cognition?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68117">nomnom</a>.</p>
<p>I wonder what the whales would think if they worked out that their donations are not helping expansion at all but instead their money is being used for the day-to-day running of the &#8220;Church&#8221; which is doing nothing more than treading water to keep afloat. Donations have replaced income in the &#8220;Church&#8221; and just as income kept them running from day to day in the past, charitable donations now do so instead. They are not expanding and can never now expand because the new public with money does not want to buy what they have to sell. The members themselves don&#8217;t want training and auditing any more so how can they expect expansion in the form of new people coming in and paying for training and auditing? Who cares about being Clear and OT these days If you pay for and reach these levels then in three years time you have to pay for it again and redo it all again. And then again three years after that. Do they expect new people to buy into that &#8211; because without new people coming in and spending money then there will be no expansion?</p>
<p>No, their donations that they think are helping people and think is helping the &#8220;Church&#8221; expand are just paying the bills and keeping the Sea Org in fake navy uniforms with all the rice and beans they can eat. What will the whales do when they finally have that cognition?</p>
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		By: hadley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hadley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68210&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

The one quoted on the blog ref Org building fund raising at the top of this thread discussion]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68210">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>The one quoted on the blog ref Org building fund raising at the top of this thread discussion</p>
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		By: The Phoenix		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-part-2/#comment-68258</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Phoenix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Mr. Rinder,

Has all avenues to exposing this fundraising scheme for what it really is (a fraud) been tackled ?

Is there any specific angle from which to see this that would attract the interest of IRS ? Or do they have their hands tied for some reason , unable to go after DM ?

THE PHOENIX]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mr. Rinder,</p>
<p>Has all avenues to exposing this fundraising scheme for what it really is (a fraud) been tackled ?</p>
<p>Is there any specific angle from which to see this that would attract the interest of IRS ? Or do they have their hands tied for some reason , unable to go after DM ?</p>
<p>THE PHOENIX</p>
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